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On July 05 2005 21:00 Pat wrote:
The REAL reason why WGT won't switch to a private server is simply because all the website and the whole system is not buit for it. It would requier an enormous ammount of work to do so. And that is without the B.net server itself. The server itself (PvPGN has to be edited so much, it's amazing) + the launcher is by itself A LOT of work too so... ya, it would be way too much work and well, Ilintar and other webmasters do not have much time already so... that is the real reason heh
Sry Pat to not agree with you  .
Eki and Onurb would have had the time, the skill and the recources to run WGT on a privat server but they wanted to do it in battle.net on europe and the reason was really Blizzard itself.
Now the association under Skav, Shore and Ouis would not change that either. The heads of the BW section agree, we allways tried to leave WGT as it was planned from the Twins, just we needed to add banners since we couldn´t pay the server with our own money and you don´t get a spnsor what would have nothing back :D.
But i have to agree that the webmasterteam atm wouldnt be able to create something like PGT was, not that Ili wouldn´t have the skill for, he simply doesnt have the time ;(. The rest of the webmasterteam i couldn´t judge on their skills dont know them good enough  .
So the reason is really that we don´t want to run on privat server, it might look now wrong for the community but things might change in near future.
BTW: As a Macuser i allways would stay in b-net since its shit work to change script to be able to connect to a privat server
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Netherlands13554 Posts
omg petra you a mac user
chobo!!!11
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On July 06 2005 02:53 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2005 21:00 Pat wrote:
The REAL reason why WGT won't switch to a private server is simply because all the website and the whole system is not buit for it. It would requier an enormous ammount of work to do so. And that is without the B.net server itself. The server itself (PvPGN has to be edited so much, it's amazing) + the launcher is by itself A LOT of work too so... ya, it would be way too much work and well, Ilintar and other webmasters do not have much time already so... that is the real reason heh Sry Pat to not agree with you . Eki and Onurb would have had the time, the skill and the recources to run WGT on a privat server but they wanted to do it in battle.net on europe and the reason was really Blizzard itself. Now the association under Skav, Shore and Ouis would not change that either. The heads of the BW section agree, we allways tried to leave WGT as it was planned from the Twins, just we needed to add banners since we couldn´t pay the server with our own money and you don´t get a spnsor what would have nothing back :D. But i have to agree that the webmasterteam atm wouldnt be able to create something like PGT was, not that Ili wouldn´t have the skill for, he simply doesnt have the time ;(. The rest of the webmasterteam i couldn´t judge on their skills dont know them good enough . So the reason is really that we don´t want to run on privat server, it might look now wrong for the community but things might change in near future. BTW: As a Macuser i allways would stay in b-net since its shit work to change script to be able to connect to a privat server
What are you talking about? From what I understand of your post it looks like you agree with him completely.
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On July 06 2005 02:53 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2005 21:00 Pat wrote:
The REAL reason why WGT won't switch to a private server is simply because all the website and the whole system is not buit for it. It would requier an enormous ammount of work to do so. And that is without the B.net server itself. The server itself (PvPGN has to be edited so much, it's amazing) + the launcher is by itself A LOT of work too so... ya, it would be way too much work and well, Ilintar and other webmasters do not have much time already so... that is the real reason heh Sry Pat to not agree with you . Eki and Onurb would have had the time, the skill and the recources to run WGT on a privat server but they wanted to do it in battle.net on europe and the reason was really Blizzard itself. Now the association under Skav, Shore and Ouis would not change that either. The heads of the BW section agree, we allways tried to leave WGT as it was planned from the Twins, just we needed to add banners since we couldn´t pay the server with our own money and you don´t get a spnsor what would have nothing back :D. But i have to agree that the webmasterteam atm wouldnt be able to create something like PGT was, not that Ili wouldn´t have the skill for, he simply doesnt have the time ;(. The rest of the webmasterteam i couldn´t judge on their skills dont know them good enough . So the reason is really that we don´t want to run on privat server, it might look now wrong for the community but things might change in near future. BTW: As a Macuser i allways would stay in b-net since its shit work to change script to be able to connect to a privat server
Ok, a while ago WGT called for a help from the community to have a good programming team.
I was one you selected. They ended up firing Ashur and after that I have not received a single assignment. So they have a resources but they do not use it. So they are definitely not gosu in this respect :D I hope they will improve
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On July 06 2005 07:25 araav wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2005 02:53 Ilvy wrote:On July 05 2005 21:00 Pat wrote:
The REAL reason why WGT won't switch to a private server is simply because all the website and the whole system is not buit for it. It would requier an enormous ammount of work to do so. And that is without the B.net server itself. The server itself (PvPGN has to be edited so much, it's amazing) + the launcher is by itself A LOT of work too so... ya, it would be way too much work and well, Ilintar and other webmasters do not have much time already so... that is the real reason heh Sry Pat to not agree with you . Eki and Onurb would have had the time, the skill and the recources to run WGT on a privat server but they wanted to do it in battle.net on europe and the reason was really Blizzard itself. Now the association under Skav, Shore and Ouis would not change that either. The heads of the BW section agree, we allways tried to leave WGT as it was planned from the Twins, just we needed to add banners since we couldn´t pay the server with our own money and you don´t get a spnsor what would have nothing back :D. But i have to agree that the webmasterteam atm wouldnt be able to create something like PGT was, not that Ili wouldn´t have the skill for, he simply doesnt have the time ;(. The rest of the webmasterteam i couldn´t judge on their skills dont know them good enough . So the reason is really that we don´t want to run on privat server, it might look now wrong for the community but things might change in near future. BTW: As a Macuser i allways would stay in b-net since its shit work to change script to be able to connect to a privat server Ok, a while ago WGT called for a help from the community to have a good programming team. I was one you selected. They ended up firing Ashur and after that I have not received a single assignment. So they have a resources but they do not use it. So they are definitely not gosu in this respect :D I hope they will improve
Umm... have you CHECKED the webmastering Forums?? We have like mass requests every day and most of them aren't even answered. You should check that...
Maybe you weren't looking in the right places? :p
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anyway the problem here isn't wgt but PGT... or not?
give it back to us!!!
tnx
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On July 06 2005 10:32 sCV wrote:anyway the problem here isn't wgt but PGT... or not? give it back to us!!! tnx
Or at least have ~satanik~ of polygon give us an update. A couple of weeks ago they promised "good news." Give it to me.
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On July 06 2005 08:37 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2005 07:25 araav wrote:On July 06 2005 02:53 Ilvy wrote:On July 05 2005 21:00 Pat wrote:
The REAL reason why WGT won't switch to a private server is simply because all the website and the whole system is not buit for it. It would requier an enormous ammount of work to do so. And that is without the B.net server itself. The server itself (PvPGN has to be edited so much, it's amazing) + the launcher is by itself A LOT of work too so... ya, it would be way too much work and well, Ilintar and other webmasters do not have much time already so... that is the real reason heh Sry Pat to not agree with you . Eki and Onurb would have had the time, the skill and the recources to run WGT on a privat server but they wanted to do it in battle.net on europe and the reason was really Blizzard itself. Now the association under Skav, Shore and Ouis would not change that either. The heads of the BW section agree, we allways tried to leave WGT as it was planned from the Twins, just we needed to add banners since we couldn´t pay the server with our own money and you don´t get a spnsor what would have nothing back :D. But i have to agree that the webmasterteam atm wouldnt be able to create something like PGT was, not that Ili wouldn´t have the skill for, he simply doesnt have the time ;(. The rest of the webmasterteam i couldn´t judge on their skills dont know them good enough . So the reason is really that we don´t want to run on privat server, it might look now wrong for the community but things might change in near future. BTW: As a Macuser i allways would stay in b-net since its shit work to change script to be able to connect to a privat server Ok, a while ago WGT called for a help from the community to have a good programming team. I was one you selected. They ended up firing Ashur and after that I have not received a single assignment. So they have a resources but they do not use it. So they are definitely not gosu in this respect :D I hope they will improve Umm... have you CHECKED the webmastering Forums?? We have like mass requests every day and most of them aren't even answered. You should check that... Maybe you weren't looking in the right places? :p
hey
I am not a web developer. I am a system developer and was supposed to work on the launcher/windows part. Ashur gave me a link to the developers forum and it seems dead after Ashur's quit.
Anyways;)
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PGTOUR YOUR MISSING MAKES ME CRY
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I
Love
PGTour
Playing WGT there are far too many annoyance factors; admins giving a bad judgement (nothing personal, but if you have to cover that many cases I'm sure you sometimes skimp a little), bot going down (like it is right now), webserver being slow, jerks who do their best to be jerks just cause they can (complaints, negative fair play, attempted fake reps, lying through their teeth, stupid hack accusations... the list goes on. If/when PGT comes back up, I shall be ever so faithful to her <3
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after bwscanner got mandatory I started dislike wgt. not becouse of antihack. but i really hate launch bwscanner each time i gonna play it. and it' crash and stuff way often. and after that .netfix thing camed it's 24 mb to download, way to much for a little antihack tool.
I really think the bot is cool i think it's fun to use the bot. but it sucks playing when bot is down. and when the bot lag :/
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On July 06 2005 13:15 araav wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2005 08:37 Live2Win wrote:On July 06 2005 07:25 araav wrote:On July 06 2005 02:53 Ilvy wrote:On July 05 2005 21:00 Pat wrote:
The REAL reason why WGT won't switch to a private server is simply because all the website and the whole system is not buit for it. It would requier an enormous ammount of work to do so. And that is without the B.net server itself. The server itself (PvPGN has to be edited so much, it's amazing) + the launcher is by itself A LOT of work too so... ya, it would be way too much work and well, Ilintar and other webmasters do not have much time already so... that is the real reason heh Sry Pat to not agree with you . Eki and Onurb would have had the time, the skill and the recources to run WGT on a privat server but they wanted to do it in battle.net on europe and the reason was really Blizzard itself. Now the association under Skav, Shore and Ouis would not change that either. The heads of the BW section agree, we allways tried to leave WGT as it was planned from the Twins, just we needed to add banners since we couldn´t pay the server with our own money and you don´t get a spnsor what would have nothing back :D. But i have to agree that the webmasterteam atm wouldnt be able to create something like PGT was, not that Ili wouldn´t have the skill for, he simply doesnt have the time ;(. The rest of the webmasterteam i couldn´t judge on their skills dont know them good enough . So the reason is really that we don´t want to run on privat server, it might look now wrong for the community but things might change in near future. BTW: As a Macuser i allways would stay in b-net since its shit work to change script to be able to connect to a privat server Ok, a while ago WGT called for a help from the community to have a good programming team. I was one you selected. They ended up firing Ashur and after that I have not received a single assignment. So they have a resources but they do not use it. So they are definitely not gosu in this respect :D I hope they will improve Umm... have you CHECKED the webmastering Forums?? We have like mass requests every day and most of them aren't even answered. You should check that... Maybe you weren't looking in the right places? :p hey I am not a web developer. I am a system developer and was supposed to work on the launcher/windows part. Ashur gave me a link to the developers forum and it seems dead after Ashur's quit. Anyways;)
Oooh, sry, forgot about that :p.
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On July 05 2005 21:00 Pat wrote:
The REAL reason why WGT won't switch to a private server is simply because all the website and the whole system is not buit for it. It would requier an enormous ammount of work to do so. And that is without the B.net server itself. The server itself (PvPGN has to be edited so much, it's amazing) + the launcher is by itself A LOT of work too so... ya, it would be way too much work and well, Ilintar and other webmasters do not have much time already so... that is the real reason heh
However you might believe it, that's false. I've been the admin of a private server (NetCraft) long before I even became admin on WGTour.com, I've recoded stuff in bnetd code when nobody even thought of PGTour -_- The reason we won't move to a private server is because we're not willing to take the risks. First, PGTour ran off Pat's money, WGTour does not have that comfort. Since we have a sponsor, we're technically earning on the site (although all the gains go to cover the server costs). As everybody knows (Game-i casus) earning money + private server = bad. Blizzard might just kill us because of that :/ we're not willing to risk it. Everybody now bitches about WGTour because, let's face it, the code is old, it was not programmed for scalability and some programming concepts were fundamentally flawed (hey, it was coded over 3 years ago!). But what would happen if WGTour just fell? :/
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On July 06 2005 13:15 araav wrote:hey I am not a web developer. I am a system developer and was supposed to work on the launcher/windows part. Ashur gave me a link to the developers forum and it seems dead after Ashur's quit. Anyways;)
You don't know how much I'd give to get Ashur on the development team for WGTour, unfortunately, AAR is not Ashur ;-)
Since this was generally his concept and I wasn't able to provide the time at the moment, the idea pretty much died... as for current works about the launcher, I'm not willing to make any comments atm ;>
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might as well rename this thread About Wgtour
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haha yes agree on that one
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... not really, everybody is just lashing out out against it because PGT is down.
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EDIT: I FORGOT TO READ THE 23rd PAGE BEFORE I POSTED, SO SOME OF THE THINGS ARE FROM THE 22nd PAGE...
On July 04 2005 07:55 Love4Terran wrote:
and those hackers.
Most hackers on WGTour are banned... on the spot... anyone who hacks on a launcher is just retarded. If you think someone is still hacking behind a launcher, then you are a little too involved with the game and you should reconsider your options in life. They aren't looking good at this point...
And L2W, that is one of the reasons we don't use a private server, PaT nailed the main point on the head.
And I read a comment like 'pgt was the best thing to come to the bw scene'... or something like that?
Don't we say that about everything though. WGT was 'the best thing to come to the bw scene' when it came out, and when they began using bots they were praised as another 'great thing to the bw scene'. Same thing with the gamei servers, and the clan leagues, wcg, battle.n... well no not that one : ). Just watch how you comment things... it is annoying to read things like that because it doesn't provide any real reason to bring PGT back.
And to those who are bitching about WGTour and the bots... we said we were working on a project. My word is that it is underway... it will be finished in the future, unfortunately I have no release date. This is not some SC:Ghost thing.. ; )
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On July 06 2005 21:47 Amber[LighT] wrote:EDIT: I FORGOT TO READ THE 23rd PAGE BEFORE I POSTED, SO SOME OF THE THINGS ARE FROM THE 22nd PAGE... Most hackers on WGTour are banned... on the spot... anyone who hacks on a launcher is just retarded. If you think someone is still hacking behind a launcher, then you are a little too involved with the game and you should reconsider your options in life. They aren't looking good at this point... And L2W, that is one of the reasons we don't use a private server, PaT nailed the main point on the head. And I read a comment like 'pgt was the best thing to come to the bw scene'... or something like that? Don't we say that about everything though. WGT was 'the best thing to come to the bw scene' when it came out, and when they began using bots they were praised as another 'great thing to the bw scene'. Same thing with the gamei servers, and the clan leagues, wcg, battle.n... well no not that one : ). Just watch how you comment things... it is annoying to read things like that because it doesn't provide any real reason to bring PGT back. And to those who are bitching about WGTour and the bots... we said we were working on a project. My word is that it is underway... it will be finished in the future, unfortunately I have no release date. This is not some SC:Ghost thing.. ; )
I agree that it's tough to comment that 'pgt is the best thing to happen to the bwscene,' but it's certainly one of the best things.
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pgt > all gj and thanks alot
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