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no.1
Profile Joined March 2004
516 Posts
July 03 2005 20:13 GMT
#421
yes pgtour was much more fun to play, this fucking bot makes wgtour bad and furthermore it supplies those no manner players..
www.ygosu.com
Love4Terran
Profile Joined May 2005
United States74 Posts
July 03 2005 22:55 GMT
#422
and those hackers.
I came, I saw, I died without even a chance.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
July 04 2005 07:43 GMT
#423
OK, by now you guys must know if PGT is going to open again, and if it is (or probably will) you can tell us when. You might not be able to, but I just can't wait anymore, especially now that I have to manually report every damn game on WGT.
NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
July 04 2005 08:16 GMT
#424
i hate the WGT MOTW system the most =p
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-07-04 09:57:57
July 04 2005 09:56 GMT
#425
yup. I'm pretty pissed about wgt to system is so slow and complicated compared to pgt, and there are many more bm-people

edit: what about ngi? Havn't used it since like a year ago^^ Is it dead too?
Enter a Uh
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-07-04 10:24:13
July 04 2005 10:22 GMT
#426
It's dead yeah (ngi).

Look, there's one thing I'd like to bring up here -_-;;

I think everyone is giving WGTour a way too hard time, WGTour has been around since forever (2001 or something was when the first french version came out I think?). I remember playing my first wgtour games, back when my pvt strat was 2 gate zealot into dt, because I hated goon obs (I only ever won with lucky dts anyway ^_^)... Then when the non-french version came out and I was playing as F]WinDTosS[C for a few seasons..

Never did get past C0 (though I probably could have, I just got tired of it everytime)..

Then I was playing random for a laugh when the progamers 'invaded' WGT (can't remember if I knew about it)... However, I ended up playing Nal_rock RTvP (he maxed in 14 or 15 minutes and killed my gundamish rush with his 5~ dragoons losing 0~1 goon, and Crystal[inca] RZ vs Z and RTvsZ, of course losing all games -_-~ I was C0 as random then I think.. Hm, good times.

Oh and when, just before the pro-invasion (or perhaps during the first season of it) when cG went to WGTour =] Ah, great times, DDarri was in the top hm.. 50? 20? 15? Can't remember, and neo went 50-4 or something with most losses coming from his terran.. Wish those guys were still playing actively +_+

They've (co-)hosted WDTour (and in no way was what happened their fault), WSL, co-hosted two TLTours, they've ran 12 consecutive seasons, they have a fully functioning clan league which has been running forever, they have tournaments, they have offered a place for people to host their own tournaments, for people to host nation wars and clan wars.. they have the works.

In the first TLTour I played like 150 games, was great.
In the second TLTour I played almost 160 games (80 games in 2 days or something --).

Season after season WGTour is THERE. I don't play it, I don't like Clan League, I don't play their tournaments, I don't read the site. I don't use WGT at all other than for downloading the odd replay or during TLTour times, but it's there. Uploading replays is not that annoying.. Well, except when the site is slow. And those complaining about the bot.. were you around during the times when you had to report the game on the webpage? I mean, not just report win/loss and up the replay, you had to make the challenge, have your opponent accept it, play, report win/loss on site and have your opponent accept it, upload replay.

The bot is fine, I didn't even mind the old system. Makes for a lot of nice replays too if you bother to look through the game lists of the players. I haven't done so in a long time, might do it tomorrow actually..

Yeah, in short, WGTour has its flaws but it's solid. Don't hate so much on it please, they don't deserve it.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
July 04 2005 10:30 GMT
#427
It's still a bitch to wait for manual reports to come in :/
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
July 04 2005 12:39 GMT
#428
blah some guy refused to upload his win over me until i won more games so that he could fuck over my win streak.. and then he reset his account right after. some other guy i beat 3-0 and he asked for a 4th game so i said ok cuz i wanted to see how many odd ways i could beat him. i won the 4th then lost the 5th. then what do you know, he abuses the manual report system and reports an invalid game (doesnt he know that replays have dates on them?) so i use the "send a pm to an admin" feature and get no reply... and it's been a week. a week! seriously this guy commits an offense which can cause him to be banned and after a week i still have no reply. meanwhile my win streak is fucked over AGAIN because some guy has it in his power (due to a shitty web site) to fuck me over if he chooses to. and finally the 3rd game that i happened to lose, i ask for a re. the guy says ok. we create a new match, go into the game, start the game, and after about a minute he leaves and cancels the match.

i cant make this shit up. it saddens me, first of all, that people like this exist in the community. i've been bm, but it's just being bitter about losses and mouthing off and shit, and i dont even do that anymore, but i've never sunk to the level of actually fucking people over. second of all it saddens me that the WGT system is the way it is. perhaps it's my own standards, but if something cant be done correctly then it shouldnt be done at all. i guess at WGT they believe that what they offer is better than nothing.

in my opinion they're in HUGE need of programmers and have been ever since they decided to open an international ladder.

the reasons wgt has "survived" are all of the wrong reasons for something to survive. WGT was the first collective effort of the community to do something of that kind (yes im aware of the other independent ladders that preceded WGT, but WGT was different). it was decent enough to survive. PGT is the next collective effort of the community and is better, period. PGT has the ability to run all the shit WGT is or has been doing, and PGT can do it better. it was just a matter of people switching
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
July 04 2005 12:44 GMT
#429
just to sum up what my main point was: if you want to know if something is better, then you can't let any loyalty or nostalgia or whatever have an influence on your decision. WGT has assisted me in many ways along my bw path but i firmly believe PGT is on to something better.
Darki[CKG]
Profile Joined March 2005
Peru60 Posts
July 04 2005 12:59 GMT
#430
well im not playing wgt because im too lazy to report games and stuff when pgt was there i played like 300++ games its was a lot of fun
EL PAPITOSS
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
July 04 2005 13:11 GMT
#431
NonY

I'll admit and opoligize that our admin mailbox usually gets clogged up often.
I suggest posting in the admin plz forums, they go by faster.. usually.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
July 04 2005 22:27 GMT
#432
I just want PGT :'(
sCV
Profile Joined July 2004
Jamaica246 Posts
July 05 2005 06:30 GMT
#433
On July 05 2005 07:27 -_- wrote:
I just want PGT :'(


.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-07-05 08:07:40
July 05 2005 08:04 GMT
#434
I am going to write a long post in order to catch the attention of all the Pro Gaming Tour Admins who are involved in opening the greatest ladder Starcraft players have ever seen.

My first paragraph will be about how every post needs a good first paragraph. I mean it has to be shocking; really catch your attention and make you want to keep reading. It should say something controversial even if it is not exactly true. By the way, the World Gaming Tour is actually run by the military who have created a simulation based on everyone's favorite game. The top ladder players go on to play in the "finals" in which they are actually creating a camp, training soldiers, and so on, on planets light years away. These orders are staggered, then transferred to other planets; the actually building of a base takes about a year. If you are wondering what happens to the top Zerg and Protoss players, they are brought to "Korea," aka a small camp in Nevada, where, after certain operatives become learned in their mannerism, they are shot. "Rekrul" is, of course, not the rekrul we came to love, but rather an operative. Why do you think he has not banned as many people? The operative believed this was some kind of legend or overstatement.

Now the second paragraph should contain alot of information, or at least appear to do so. If you are serious about making a big show, put in a links. It doesn't matter if they are made up; nobody is going to click them anyway. Either change the http into something like "the site which shows your wrong" or just make up a webaddress which clearly shows your it. In a totally unrelated note, did you know that ladder admins who do not work assiduosly to bring up the ladder they are a part of are shown two hundred and seventy five percent more likely to have cancer, aids, herpes, and a bad head cold then those who do so? Check out these sites if you won't take my word for it:

www.canceriscontagious.org
www.lzyladeradminsbewar.net
www.pgtadminsarebeelzbublol.tk
www.poster(insertname)isright.com

The third paragraph does not really need a point. It just has to be written with large, misused words, insane amounts of questionable punctuation, and whatever else you can think of to sound smart. Oh yeah, my most esteemed pro gaming tour (of which you--as admins--are certainly a part, regardless, I think, of your opinions on the matters of the world gaming tour as of large and... well the point is clear from that which is already written and will be made lucid by what I will write later on), I herby welcome you, perniciously annoying you may be...--but let skip the badinage--for the pulchritude of your ladder certainly shows you are not all bad... enough rambling you get my point; its very clear.

The summary is all that matters. Nobody, upon a quick scroll of the length of the post, is going to read anything else anyway. Just say you proved what you now claim above.

SUMMARY

Anyways, as I've shown above, PGT MUST be opened soon.
Theory
Profile Joined October 2003
United States254 Posts
July 05 2005 08:06 GMT
#435
I'd agree with Nony on this. While WGT has been around forever the bar was set extremely high by PGT. While WGT may continually say they are working on improvements etc., PGT did it in less than half the time WGT has taken and was damn near if not perfect. Sadly we take what we can get. I'm still extremely baffled by the fact that considering the state of our community (Strong yet divided and always threatened by the possibilty of being pushed outta all serious gaming events) that sites like GosuGamers, WGT, PGT and SCLegacy haven't all come together with resources, programmers etc to create the ultimate in gaming yet PGT claimed the title imo on their own they fell to the resource issue. When will our community actually step up to where it should be.
www.teamlast.net - The Last. Team // AKA. Last.Dragon
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
July 05 2005 09:22 GMT
#436
On July 05 2005 17:04 -_- wrote:
I am going to write a long post in order to catch the attention of all the Pro Gaming Tour Admins who are involved in opening the greatest ladder Starcraft players have ever seen.

My first paragraph will be about how every post needs a good first paragraph. I mean it has to be shocking; really catch your attention and make you want to keep reading. It should say something controversial even if it is not exactly true. By the way, the World Gaming Tour is actually run by the military who have created a simulation based on everyone's favorite game. The top ladder players go on to play in the "finals" in which they are actually creating a camp, training soldiers, and so on, on planets light years away. These orders are staggered, then transferred to other planets; the actually building of a base takes about a year. If you are wondering what happens to the top Zerg and Protoss players, they are brought to "Korea," aka a small camp in Nevada, where, after certain operatives become learned in their mannerism, they are shot. "Rekrul" is, of course, not the rekrul we came to love, but rather an operative. Why do you think he has not banned as many people? The operative believed this was some kind of legend or overstatement.

Now the second paragraph should contain alot of information, or at least appear to do so. If you are serious about making a big show, put in a links. It doesn't matter if they are made up; nobody is going to click them anyway. Either change the http into something like "the site which shows your wrong" or just make up a webaddress which clearly shows your it. In a totally unrelated note, did you know that ladder admins who do not work assiduosly to bring up the ladder they are a part of are shown two hundred and seventy five percent more likely to have cancer, aids, herpes, and a bad head cold then those who do so? Check out these sites if you won't take my word for it:

www.canceriscontagious.org
www.lzyladeradminsbewar.net
www.pgtadminsarebeelzbublol.tk
www.poster(insertname)isright.com

The third paragraph does not really need a point. It just has to be written with large, misused words, insane amounts of questionable punctuation, and whatever else you can think of to sound smart. Oh yeah, my most esteemed pro gaming tour (of which you--as admins--are certainly a part, regardless, I think, of your opinions on the matters of the world gaming tour as of large and... well the point is clear from that which is already written and will be made lucid by what I will write later on), I herby welcome you, perniciously annoying you may be...--but let skip the badinage--for the pulchritude of your ladder certainly shows you are not all bad... enough rambling you get my point; its very clear.

The summary is all that matters. Nobody, upon a quick scroll of the length of the post, is going to read anything else anyway. Just say you proved what you now claim above.

SUMMARY

Anyways, as I've shown above, PGT MUST be opened soon.


hahaha
gold!
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
July 05 2005 10:31 GMT
#437
On July 05 2005 17:06 Theory wrote:
I'd agree with Nony on this. While WGT has been around forever the bar was set extremely high by PGT. While WGT may continually say they are working on improvements etc., PGT did it in less than half the time WGT has taken and was damn near if not perfect. Sadly we take what we can get. I'm still extremely baffled by the fact that considering the state of our community (Strong yet divided and always threatened by the possibilty of being pushed outta all serious gaming events) that sites like GosuGamers, WGT, PGT and SCLegacy haven't all come together with resources, programmers etc to create the ultimate in gaming yet PGT claimed the title imo on their own they fell to the resource issue. When will our community actually step up to where it should be.


True. But the main reason WGT cannot "follow" to PGT is because PGT used a private ladder. And I'll admit using a Private Ladder is great and dandy and all, and makes PGT what it is, but WGT cannot do so because WGT is careful not to break any blizzard rules.

PGT basicaly took a risk and broke one but came out big. Too bad it went down big too.

An as for you rlast sentence, it's just the same thing as why can't all the countries unite under as one country and live happily together, with no war... the answer? We're humans, stupid humans.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
July 05 2005 10:36 GMT
#438
On July 05 2005 19:31 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2005 17:06 Theory wrote:
I'd agree with Nony on this. While WGT has been around forever the bar was set extremely high by PGT. While WGT may continually say they are working on improvements etc., PGT did it in less than half the time WGT has taken and was damn near if not perfect. Sadly we take what we can get. I'm still extremely baffled by the fact that considering the state of our community (Strong yet divided and always threatened by the possibilty of being pushed outta all serious gaming events) that sites like GosuGamers, WGT, PGT and SCLegacy haven't all come together with resources, programmers etc to create the ultimate in gaming yet PGT claimed the title imo on their own they fell to the resource issue. When will our community actually step up to where it should be.


True. But the main reason WGT cannot "follow" to PGT is because PGT used a private ladder. And I'll admit using a Private Ladder is great and dandy and all, and makes PGT what it is, but WGT cannot do so because WGT is careful not to break any blizzard rules.

PGT basicaly took a risk and broke one but came out big. Too bad it went down big too.

An as for you rlast sentence, it's just the same thing as why can't all the countries unite under as one country and live happily together, with no war... the answer? We're humans, stupid humans.


Yeah, but the reason it "went down big" was not in any way connected with the fact it used a private server. Hell, I think WGT should switch, because it's just so much better.
Pat
Profile Joined February 2004
Canada721 Posts
July 05 2005 12:00 GMT
#439
The REAL reason why WGT won't switch to a private server is simply because all the website and the whole system is not buit for it. It would requier an enormous ammount of work to do so. And that is without the B.net server itself. The server itself (PvPGN has to be edited so much, it's amazing) + the launcher is by itself A LOT of work too so... ya, it would be way too much work and well, Ilintar and other webmasters do not have much time already so... that is the real reason heh
PGTour.net - Only the BEST for the BESTS
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4690 Posts
July 05 2005 12:19 GMT
#440
On July 05 2005 17:04 -_- wrote:
I am going to write a long post in order to catch the attention of all the Pro Gaming Tour Admins who are involved in opening the greatest ladder Starcraft players have ever seen.

My first paragraph will be about how every post needs a good first paragraph. I mean it has to be shocking; really catch your attention and make you want to keep reading. It should say something controversial even if it is not exactly true. By the way, the World Gaming Tour is actually run by the military who have created a simulation based on everyone's favorite game. The top ladder players go on to play in the "finals" in which they are actually creating a camp, training soldiers, and so on, on planets light years away. These orders are staggered, then transferred to other planets; the actually building of a base takes about a year. If you are wondering what happens to the top Zerg and Protoss players, they are brought to "Korea," aka a small camp in Nevada, where, after certain operatives become learned in their mannerism, they are shot. "Rekrul" is, of course, not the rekrul we came to love, but rather an operative. Why do you think he has not banned as many people? The operative believed this was some kind of legend or overstatement.

Now the second paragraph should contain alot of information, or at least appear to do so. If you are serious about making a big show, put in a links. It doesn't matter if they are made up; nobody is going to click them anyway. Either change the http into something like "the site which shows your wrong" or just make up a webaddress which clearly shows your it. In a totally unrelated note, did you know that ladder admins who do not work assiduosly to bring up the ladder they are a part of are shown two hundred and seventy five percent more likely to have cancer, aids, herpes, and a bad head cold then those who do so? Check out these sites if you won't take my word for it:

www.canceriscontagious.org
www.lzyladeradminsbewar.net
www.pgtadminsarebeelzbublol.tk
www.poster(insertname)isright.com

The third paragraph does not really need a point. It just has to be written with large, misused words, insane amounts of questionable punctuation, and whatever else you can think of to sound smart. Oh yeah, my most esteemed pro gaming tour (of which you--as admins--are certainly a part, regardless, I think, of your opinions on the matters of the world gaming tour as of large and... well the point is clear from that which is already written and will be made lucid by what I will write later on), I herby welcome you, perniciously annoying you may be...--but let skip the badinage--for the pulchritude of your ladder certainly shows you are not all bad... enough rambling you get my point; its very clear.

The summary is all that matters. Nobody, upon a quick scroll of the length of the post, is going to read anything else anyway. Just say you proved what you now claim above.

SUMMARY

Anyways, as I've shown above, PGT MUST be opened soon.

That HAS to be the FUNNIEST post I have read in a LONG time. Good work, you made me laugh while it was in text online.
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