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Love4Terran
Profile Joined May 2005
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-30 05:54:56
June 30 2005 05:54 GMT
#381
On June 30 2005 14:47 NerO wrote:
ya WGT has had alot more time for the bad admins to show up

to show up AND make themselves known being bad admins. ;-D
I came, I saw, I died without even a chance.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 30 2005 06:15 GMT
#382
On June 30 2005 13:24 NonY wrote:
it's human nature to become prejudice, at least subconsciously, from the actions of an individual, even if we consciously reason that it's not rational to judge an entire group based on an individual's actions. that being said, my gut tells me that PGT admins are better than WGT admins.. although i have more personal friends who are WGT admins ;O

viva la pgtour! come back soon


I do not think I can make an accurate description since my point of view will be biased, and also I have been told things are done very differently for PGT admins than WGT admins. Being an actual witness of what goes on behind the scenes of WGTour for the past year and 3 months, I think I have a good view as to how the WGTour admins behave. How that is I am not going to expose to protect some of the super admins I still like. I don't wish for this to be a sour post, but WGT admins aren't very 'smart' and honest. I don't care if someone has a problem with that, but I believe the users deserve some honesty. The Super admins that are 'going to have a talk with me' later about this post should really save what they have to say. My opinion can be stated and it has nothing to do with me 'representing' the WGTour admins since it's not how all of the admins feel about the WGTour admins. If it was it would probably be a bit more pompous and pathetic.

I am not pro-PGT or anti-WGT, or anything else, and I have tried to let people on the admin team know about their attitudes, but I would like to see some change.

Why post this here? Where else?

And I could care less if PGT comes back up as an admin of another ladder because it's not my issue. I like some of the PGT admins anyway, even though a couple are a bit 'lost'.

As a gamer I would like to see PGT come back up because it was a good ladder. I liked the choice of playing any WCG map because I got my WCG practice. I haven't played a WCG map since the local qualifier about 1 month ago. I sorta have to play those again soon
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
June 30 2005 06:17 GMT
#383
Ofcourse PGT will have a better reputation as admins than WGTour. Logic tells you that because WGT has been around much much longer than PGT has. Yet no one really appreciates the "good" WGT has done and only likes to remind us of the "bad".

The only way you can really compare admin "satisfactory level", if you will, is waiting for PGT to be around as long as WGT has, and comparing that to the now WGT, not the WGT then.

Of course that's madness, cuz in the end it all comes down to opinions. I really lost track of the point I want to make...

I guess I'm just saying that please stop saying WGT admins suck because I am a WGT admin, and I'm doing everything I can in my power to keep the community happy, and it really hurts to see the public do nothing but complain about us.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
donmega2
Profile Joined October 2004
United States26 Posts
June 30 2005 07:47 GMT
#384
FACT wgt admins could be so much better and should be so much better. IMO you shoulnd't be allowed to be a wgt admin unless you were a pgt admin. Pgt admins were so good and actually cared about doing their duties as best they could. Where as so many wgt admins use 0 common sense its a battle just trying to prove your not a liar and a faggot to get your complaint dealt with fairly. Ive had so many wgt admins cuss me out and call me liar when im being 100% truthful I wonder if some of them are admins just so they can fuck with people. For the few of the wgt admins that are doing a good job I appreciate it so much. It has to be hard when your doing a good job while fellow admins are doing a horrendous job giving admins a bad reputation.
sataNik[pG]
Profile Joined July 2003
Greece724 Posts
June 30 2005 07:53 GMT
#385
anyone knows any other server with ladder system, chinese or korean? im pretty desperate
nysikto
Profile Joined March 2005
Norway337 Posts
June 30 2005 07:54 GMT
#386
thx for support to us PGTour admin, our goal was to be manner and gentle and i think we did well there

AKa Koreanlover PGTour Tournament admin
Love4Terran
Profile Joined May 2005
United States74 Posts
June 30 2005 09:15 GMT
#387
On June 30 2005 16:53 sataNik[pG] wrote:
anyone knows any other server with ladder system, chinese or korean? im pretty desperate


I know a Korean server that has a ladder, but just the regular ladder system like B.net, but its not messed up with winbots. also, every clan has their own tag (like the 5 stars next to your name) some Pro's have been caught on it. but not all the time of course. ;-D
I came, I saw, I died without even a chance.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-30 09:28:40
June 30 2005 09:27 GMT
#388
I couldn't say that PGT had better administrators then WGT. Neither can almost any of us. You know why? Because PGT was designed so that the public would almost never have to deal with admins. WGT admins can make thousands of mistakes in doing their duties, so naturally they do make more mistakes then PGT admins. Their system is flawed. It's not unacceptable--in fact it's good--but it's certainly not as good as PGT's was.

NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
June 30 2005 09:36 GMT
#389
On June 30 2005 18:15 Love4Terran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2005 16:53 sataNik[pG] wrote:
anyone knows any other server with ladder system, chinese or korean? im pretty desperate


I know a Korean server that has a ladder, but just the regular ladder system like B.net, but its not messed up with winbots. also, every clan has their own tag (like the 5 stars next to your name) some Pro's have been caught on it. but not all the time of course. ;-D


so are u gunna give us the IP of it or just wave it in our faces and brag that u know about it ? :o cus im desperate 2 WGT MOTWs are gay
eternalbliss
Profile Joined August 2004
United States1035 Posts
June 30 2005 10:28 GMT
#390
On June 30 2005 18:27 -_- wrote:
I couldn't say that PGT had better administrators then WGT. Neither can almost any of us. You know why? Because PGT was designed so that the public would almost never have to deal with admins. WGT admins can make thousands of mistakes in doing their duties, so naturally they do make more mistakes then PGT admins. Their system is flawed. It's not unacceptable--in fact it's good--but it's certainly not as good as PGT's was.

You can say that PGT were better just like everyone else is in this thread. It has been a known fact for the longest time that "most" (not all) WGT admins were lazy/bm/ or w/e the case, just not good. If you ask any one person about PGT admins in general you will see 9 times out of 10 they will say "PGT admins were good."

I guess I am biased alot because I was a PGT admin but from I what am i hearing and have heard we can brag because we were pleasing to the community.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-30 10:42:44
June 30 2005 10:39 GMT
#391
Well, I certainly wouldn't know. I played hundreds of games and never messaged you once (I messaged the WGT admins twice the first day). I know you had other duties (reps, news, etc), but most people have trouble with the admins which respond to their complaints about games.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
June 30 2005 10:45 GMT
#392
things take a lot longer with wgt then it did pgt.. i rememberpmign pat and getting a response from him like a hour or 2 lata
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Love4Terran
Profile Joined May 2005
United States74 Posts
June 30 2005 11:10 GMT
#393
http://www.fishbattle.wo.to if u can read korean...
http://brainclan.com if u can read korean...

they are better than the normal player on B.net, so atleast u can get some games in so you dont get worse.
I came, I saw, I died without even a chance.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-30 13:28:49
June 30 2005 13:28 GMT
#394
The thing is WGT means *much* more work for admin staff. More work = more time needed to take care of each complaint / PM etc. Just because you don't get response in 5 hours doesn't mean we are lazy, it means that we have to respond to 400 other PM's before yours. Same with Admin Plz forum. Same with Complaints. Besides, if you are not satisfied with the decision admin made you can always contact his section super / manager about that, if he was indeed wrong we will deal with this.
Tontow
Profile Joined September 2004
United States73 Posts
June 30 2005 13:44 GMT
#395
Its not the admins, its the system that the admins use that makes the difference. And what a big difference that seems to be to most people.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 30 2005 14:01 GMT
#396
On June 30 2005 19:28 eternalbliss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2005 18:27 -_- wrote:
I couldn't say that PGT had better administrators then WGT. Neither can almost any of us. You know why? Because PGT was designed so that the public would almost never have to deal with admins. WGT admins can make thousands of mistakes in doing their duties, so naturally they do make more mistakes then PGT admins. Their system is flawed. It's not unacceptable--in fact it's good--but it's certainly not as good as PGT's was.

You can say that PGT were better just like everyone else is in this thread. It has been a known fact for the longest time that "most" (not all) WGT admins were lazy/bm/ or w/e the case, just not good. If you ask any one person about PGT admins in general you will see 9 times out of 10 they will say "PGT admins were good."

I guess I am biased alot because I was a PGT admin but from I what am i hearing and have heard we can brag because we were pleasing to the community.


How can you post something that is 'a known fact' when it's not even proved. You are going on user opinion on your 'known fact'. It's like figuring out who is that awesome korean gamer. Is he pro? People say he's "so-and-so". Does that make it a 'known fact?'

And you know your opinion is biased and moronic, yet you post it anyway.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
sataNik[pG]
Profile Joined July 2003
Greece724 Posts
June 30 2005 16:35 GMT
#397
if those servers are ladders as well then i would appreciate it very much if a korean guy made an account for me.
however if they are plain servers without a ladder system then no thx, its not worth the trouble.
Love4Terran
Profile Joined May 2005
United States74 Posts
June 30 2005 22:36 GMT
#398
its just a regular server, but there are some highly skilled players, i can find the IP if you would like, and just add it to your Server Editor, or something of that sort.
I came, I saw, I died without even a chance.
razz.rts
Profile Joined July 2005
Germany3 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-07-01 06:29:15
July 01 2005 06:20 GMT
#399
those server aren't ladderbased and public games are very low skilled.
or probably i just expected too much, so i played max and opponent didnt got a chance because i own that much!
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5225 Posts
July 01 2005 07:44 GMT
#400
PGT admins will be a lot faster than WGT admins for one simple reason: PGT used an [illegal] private server which made everything automatic. WGT uses a more complicated system and a result, has a lot more flaws that people try to take advantage of. If people didn't try to cheat, a lot of complaints could be handled faster. Also, PGT was only a ladder. At WGTour, we also have NW and CL to keep up with.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
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