On August 26 2011 22:22 Denzil wrote: What's Flash's best match up?
It changes around a lot. Overall through his career, his TvT has been most stable, but there has been instances where his TvP or TvZ was slightly closer to unbeatable than his TvT.
1. Everyone says: Jangbi doesn't harass Flash at all - insta loss. 2. Jangbi simply out macros Flash on 6v3 base. 3. Everyone says: T just can't not harass P without losing.
On August 26 2011 22:20 Holgerius wrote: Flash played too passively. He turtled, didn't harass at all and didn't expand very aggressively either (the 4th was really late IMO).
But he almost won. I think he played well, just like he did against Best.
Those two games were fundamentally different oO Jangbi played well, Flash did not play bad, but he was outthough here, and his push was not executed well enough.
I think the important factor was the lack of emps.
Flash actually probably could have won that if he had made a round of vultures only after the initial engagement. It was pretty obvious that Jangbi was going to go for mass zealots to clean up the damaged tanks, so Flash could have had a much better army composition, not to mention how useful mines are when you're shelling your opponent's natural. Instead he made tanks and vultures, but the tank reinforcements weren't nearly enough to achieve critical mass, so he lost.
On August 26 2011 22:20 Holgerius wrote: Flash played too passively. He turtled, didn't harass at all and didn't expand very aggressively either (the 4th was really late IMO).
But he almost won. I think he played well, just like he did against Best.
Except against Best he went for fast double Vult upgrades and harassed while taking a much faster 4th than in this game.
I don't remember Flash harassing Best till his butt hurt. Jangbi just played too well this time, there was no way a toss could stop this push, if not for those storms and beautiful flank catch.
On August 26 2011 22:19 NicksonReyes wrote: GG! The only reason why Flash loses to Ps like Best is because he's too passive :/.
On August 26 2011 22:19 Ermac wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:18 Motivate wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:18 Ermac wrote: Someone PLEASE explain this game to me!
How did JangBi get away with so many bases!?!?!?
cos flash was playing too passive
Yes, obviously. But how could he expect Flash to be so passive? He took a huge gamble, right?
On August 26 2011 22:19 shadymmj wrote: nice game. seems like flash had no real plan there, very different from the way he played vs best.
On August 26 2011 22:20 Holgerius wrote: Flash played too passively. He turtled, didn't harass at all and didn't expand very aggressively either (the 4th was really late IMO).
Nothing passive about it. Its how the current TvP works. Thats the most efficient TvP build known to man. To take 4 bases, then push with 200/200 timing to crush protoss. And yes, flash used the exact same build against best.
And jangbi has found a way to counter it, thus revolutionizing the matchup.
No, that was far from the same build as vs Best.
yeah, vults? With the one pylon third wallin, flash only accomodated his build to be more efficient for this map - less vult harass, more safe push