• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:12
CEST 07:12
KST 14:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 20268Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8379 users

[SPL] Grand Finals: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 390

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 388 389 390 391 392 409 Next
Slaynte
Profile Joined April 2010
United States155 Posts
August 19 2011 15:52 GMT
#7781
i wonder if that 2 week delay made all the difference. skt basically lost their seed / resting advantage.
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
August 19 2011 15:53 GMT
#7782
On August 20 2011 00:52 Slaynte wrote:
i wonder if that 2 week delay made all the difference. skt basically lost their seed / resting advantage.


yes all part of the plan, hold finals during a typhoon so it gets delayed to give KT resting time.
SolvusAnima
Profile Joined July 2010
United States138 Posts
August 19 2011 15:54 GMT
#7783
Kind of ironic...

Everything went full circle...

The reason T1 remained number 1 in the team rankings could be attributed to the SKT Zergs stepping up when they needed them to, however, they lost the finals because their Zergs couldn't pull out a win today.

Interesting.
Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes which see reality.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
August 19 2011 15:55 GMT
#7784
The last match was fucking awesome by Flash. The way he moved his tanks, sieging and unsieging them so perfectly. There was one part where he unsieged and best moved in and he sieged ALL of his tanks at once. Such a fucking beast he is.
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
August 19 2011 15:58 GMT
#7785
I don't know if I buy the stuff about Flash losing on purpose to hide his true power level or whatever, but it reminded me of one of my favorite sports anecdotes ever, so I thought I'd post it.

The second involved longtime nemesis Jeff Bagwell. Maddux was pitching a shutout with a large lead late in a game early in the season when Bagwell came to bat. He repeatedly shook off catcher Eddie Perez's signs and threw Bagwell an inside fastball which they both knew was his favorite pitch. Bagwell clocked it for a home run and angry Perez confronted Maddux in the clubhouse asking him why he would throw that pitch. Maddux explained that sometime later that season he would face Bagwell in a more important situation and he would be expecting that pitch. Perez was still annoyed that he had "blown" a shutout. Towards the end of that season, the Braves did indeed play an important game against the Astros and Maddux struck Bagwell out late in the game with the bases loaded. Maddux asked Perez if he remembered the game months ago when he deliberately gave Bagwell the pitch he wanted. Perez had forgotten, but Maddux hadn't.

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2007/2/1/92435/72323
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
August 19 2011 16:01 GMT
#7786
On August 20 2011 00:53 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 00:52 Slaynte wrote:
i wonder if that 2 week delay made all the difference. skt basically lost their seed / resting advantage.


yes all part of the plan, hold finals during a typhoon so it gets delayed to give KT resting time.

Well, to be fair to KT, KeSPA didn't know there'd be a typhoon there. Let's just say that was YellOw's farewell gift for them.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 19 2011 16:04 GMT
#7787
On August 20 2011 01:01 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 00:53 kdgns wrote:
On August 20 2011 00:52 Slaynte wrote:
i wonder if that 2 week delay made all the difference. skt basically lost their seed / resting advantage.


yes all part of the plan, hold finals during a typhoon so it gets delayed to give KT resting time.

Well, to be fair to KT, KeSPA didn't know there'd be a typhoon there. Let's just say that was YellOw's farewell gift for them.

hahahahaha + Show Spoiler +
storm zerg
+1 to you good sir
:)
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
August 19 2011 16:04 GMT
#7788
On August 20 2011 00:55 Dante08 wrote:
The last match was fucking awesome by Flash. The way he moved his tanks, sieging and unsieging them so perfectly. There was one part where he unsieged and best moved in and he sieged ALL of his tanks at once. Such a fucking beast he is.

Only 6 clicks, really, since I assume Flash had all of them hotkeyed. For somebody with 350 APM, it's easy as hell. It may look cool, but that's not really what was impressive about that game, imao.

What was impressive is that Flash has clearly studied his past few losses against Best, concluded that he needed to take some fairly extensive macro risks in order to beat him and he did just that. Best, being the lousy player he is, didn't do anything risky, just macro'd up and found himself outmacro'd, outpositioned and outmicro'd.

If Best had done a 3 base all-in or something, Flash would have been in trouble. But Best never does that and Flash knows it. Bisu would have probably fared better but Flash was clearly on point today and I don't think he would have lost to anybody. Well, maybe Jaedong but I'm biased. At least JD isn't afraid to do 7 pools or 2 base all-ins unlike Mr. 6base 30gate macro.

tl;dr: Best lost because he doesn't take (enough) risks and Flash played godlike StarCraft.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Kira Yamato
Profile Joined August 2011
Vietnam5 Posts
August 19 2011 16:09 GMT
#7789
At first, it looks like SKT is 3123876416 miles ahead, they are 2-0ing and got a coinflip Z v Z, and many guys say that "ohh KT Coach troll us" but I think they were successfull. SKT are 2-0ing bút they used Fantasy and Bisu, against..uhm..well Perfective and Crazy-Hydra. in my opinion, if SKT wants to win, Bisu or Fanta must be able to take out Stats or Hoejja. The turning point is when Hoejja beats Soo. SKT has Sun, S2, and Best left, while KT still has Flash, Stats, and this is enough for the Ace.
It would have been different if SKT hadnt sent Fanta first but one SKT zerg and save Fanta for Fortress or EoTS, just my opinion.
p/s: sorry for my bad english :p
KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
August 19 2011 16:14 GMT
#7790
Congratz to KT, you just did the near impossible.
Well deserved victory, and good luck to Flash during surgery!
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
August 19 2011 16:14 GMT
#7791
On August 20 2011 01:09 Kira Yamato wrote:
At first, it looks like SKT is 3123876416 miles ahead, they are 2-0ing and got a coinflip Z v Z, and many guys say that "ohh KT Coach troll us" but I think they were successfull. SKT are 2-0ing bút they used Fantasy and Bisu, against..uhm..well Perfective and Crazy-Hydra. in my opinion, if SKT wants to win, Bisu or Fanta must be able to take out Stats or Hoejja. The turning point is when Hoejja beats Soo. SKT has Sun, S2, and Best left, while KT still has Flash, Stats, and this is enough for the Ace.
It would have been different if SKT hadnt sent Fanta first but one SKT zerg and save Fanta for Fortress or EoTS, just my opinion.
p/s: sorry for my bad english :p


but consider it the other way around, Stats is known to snipe bisu, and you dont want fantasy up against flash. Perfective is not an auto loss and neither is crazy-hydra (remember he comes from stars and has trained zvz with zero and soulkey), if you send skt zergs into a coinflip match against the 4 KT zergs, you'll end up more likely to lose before ace since its not a guarantee that you can beat flash and stats with bisu and fantasy.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51074 Posts
August 19 2011 16:16 GMT
#7792
Fuck yeah KT,FUCK YEAH ANOTHER SEASON TAKEN BY KT!!!

like TTT said, DYANTSY'D BITCHES!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3511 Posts
August 19 2011 16:19 GMT
#7793
On August 20 2011 01:14 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:09 Kira Yamato wrote:
At first, it looks like SKT is 3123876416 miles ahead, they are 2-0ing and got a coinflip Z v Z, and many guys say that "ohh KT Coach troll us" but I think they were successfull. SKT are 2-0ing bút they used Fantasy and Bisu, against..uhm..well Perfective and Crazy-Hydra. in my opinion, if SKT wants to win, Bisu or Fanta must be able to take out Stats or Hoejja. The turning point is when Hoejja beats Soo. SKT has Sun, S2, and Best left, while KT still has Flash, Stats, and this is enough for the Ace.
It would have been different if SKT hadnt sent Fanta first but one SKT zerg and save Fanta for Fortress or EoTS, just my opinion.
p/s: sorry for my bad english :p


but consider it the other way around, Stats is known to snipe bisu, and you dont want fantasy up against flash. Perfective is not an auto loss and neither is crazy-hydra (remember he comes from stars and has trained zvz with zero and soulkey), if you send skt zergs into a coinflip match against the 4 KT zergs, you'll end up more likely to lose before ace since its not a guarantee that you can beat flash and stats with bisu and fantasy.

- S2 had a decent advantage over Hoejja in their game and displayed horrible muta micro eating so many scourges.
- SoO played a terrible game vs Stats where he was behind all game long
- Best showed very weak games vs Flash for a guy who had a full month to train specifically to snipe Flash and had two opportunities

Bisu & Fantasy were able to give SKT huge momentum going up 2-0 to be able take the series as long as other players were willing to step up (like Sun did), but it didn't happen.

On the flip side -- Stats brought his A-game when it mattered most.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 16:48:47
August 19 2011 16:21 GMT
#7794
On August 20 2011 00:52 Slaynte wrote:
i wonder if that 2 week delay made all the difference. skt basically lost their seed / resting advantage.

Flash can obviously control the weather.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 19 2011 16:23 GMT
#7795
On August 20 2011 00:17 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 00:14 seraphe wrote:
I just got back from the finals, and man... what a roller coaster ride. First 2 hours were so great, SKT was owning and our side just had so much energy. But then it just went downhill, and I think everyone kind of began to... deflate. The worst part was when people started leaving before it was even over. Half the guys in my row got up and left when Best got sent out for the ace match, and the other half left halfway through that game. I guess it was THAT obvious that he had no chance. They never showed it on camera, but by the time the match was over, less than 1/5 of the T1 fans were still there.

And poor Best... When I left, I passed by the window of their waiting room, and he looked like he was crying. I really hope he doesnt take it too hard.

But yeah, I was really disappointed we didnt get a Flash vs. Bisu ace match though. I was so looking forward to it

Also sad that they didnt let me keep the flag lol.

Man what the hell, that sucks. And they call themselves SKT fans. Disgraceful.

Yeah, I find such behavior disgraceful too. They didn't have to pay a single cent for their seat and they couldn't even stay till the end to show respect to the players and staff who worked hard to get this finals going.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 19 2011 16:24 GMT
#7796
[QUOTE]On August 20 2011 01:19 Gescom wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 20 2011 01:14 kdgns wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 20 2011 01:09 Kira Yamato wrote:
At first, it looks like SKT is 3123876416 miles ahead, they are 2-0ing and got a coinflip Z v Z, and many guys say that "ohh KT Coach troll us" but I think they were successfull. SKT are 2-0ing bút they used Fantasy and Bisu, against..uhm..well Perfective and Crazy-Hydra. in my opinion, if SKT wants to win, Bisu or Fanta must be able to take out Stats or Hoejja. The turning point is when Hoejja beats Soo. SKT has Sun, S2, and Best left, while KT still has Flash, Stats, and this is enough for the Ace.
It would have been different if SKT hadnt sent Fanta first but one SKT zerg and save Fanta for Fortress or EoTS, just my opinion.
p/s: sorry for my bad english :p[/QUOTE]

but consider it the other way around, Stats is known to snipe bisu, and you dont want fantasy up against flash. Perfective is not an auto loss and neither is crazy-hydra (remember he comes from stars and has trained zvz with zero and soulkey), if you send skt zergs into a coinflip match against the 4 KT zergs, you'll end up more likely to lose before ace since its not a guarantee that you can beat flash and stats with bisu and fantasy. [/QUOTE]
- S2 had a decent advantage over Hoejja in their game and displayed horrible muta micro eating so many scourges.
- SoO played a terrible game vs Stats where he was behind all game long
- Best showed very weak games vs Flash for a guy who had a full month to train specifically to snipe Flash and had two opportunities

Bisu & Fantasy were able to give SKT huge momentum going up 2-0 to be able take the series as long as other players were willing to step up (like Sun did), but it didn't happen.

On the flip side -- Stats brought his A-game when it mattered most.[/QUOTE]

Kim Dae Yob = Clutch player right ? :D
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Kira Yamato
Profile Joined August 2011
Vietnam5 Posts
August 19 2011 16:24 GMT
#7797
Urgh, maybe KT's line up anti SKT's line up :-s, you cant guarantee a win if you used Bisu and Fanta while you opponent still has Flash and Stats. Hoejja is unblievable good recently is able to take down any toss not named Bisu, and Z v Z is and will be always a coinflip MU, his Z v T is quite weak in comparison but SKT has no good terran beside Fanta, so its hard for SKT coaches: if they sent Bisu and Fanta early, they had more chance to win but KT still has their key player, but if they save them for later they may be sniped
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 19 2011 16:26 GMT
#7798
On August 20 2011 00:48 Cheeseburgered wrote:
and T1 fans were the ones saying that best would have sniped flash last year in the ACE match...

To be fair Best was playing much better last year than this year. In contrast Bisu was pretty ordinary last season but in PL he's been almost untouchable this season.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 19 2011 16:30 GMT
#7799
So happy! ^__^ What a roller coaster that was though. I just think it's a shame they didn't send out Bisu for the ace. Other than that, a perfect day of SC.

Flash hwaiting!

KT hwaiting!

VIOLET HWAITING!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 16:34:06
August 19 2011 16:33 GMT
#7800
Bisu is a more intelligent player than BeSt. He possibly could develop a strategy or a in-game mindset that would be difficult for Flash to adapt to.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Prev 1 388 389 390 391 392 409 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
Mid Season Playoffs
ByuN vs Shameless
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 122
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4306
Rain 4033
GuemChi 3289
BeSt 429
Tasteless 198
Mind 91
Sexy 50
Noble 26
ZergMaN 19
Bale 16
[ Show more ]
Icarus 8
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm139
League of Legends
JimRising 833
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King103
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr70
Other Games
summit1g9249
Day[9].tv1318
WinterStarcraft551
C9.Mang0533
PiGStarcraft336
Maynarde117
Liquid`Ken6
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1848
Other Games
gamesdonequick1071
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 29
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP59
• Berry_CruncH37
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1705
• Rush1481
• Stunt566
Other Games
• Day9tv1318
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
18h 49m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
GSL
4 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-15
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.