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mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
August 19 2011 14:48 GMT
#7761
Technically Best was the ACE choice for last year's Final guess it couldn't work today because he had just lost to the same opponent he was going to play.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 15:07:28
August 19 2011 14:49 GMT
#7762
what Im saying is that stats are completely irrelevant in a Bo1 for the title and Park picked Best just for his winning record against Flash completely ignoring

1. Bisu being the leader and the ace of his team
2. Bisu being on a roll for quite a while
3. Bisu having incredible winning record vs terran lately
4. Bisu being in 4 times more finals than Best and having the experience and the ability to perform up to the very best of his skills under extreme pressure. (Bisu won the closest final ever played 3-2 vs Stork in a 45 mins long 5th set that had half of the fans fading because of how close and nervewrecking the game was)

or scratch that, put it simply Bisu is just alot better than Best.
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Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
August 19 2011 14:49 GMT
#7763
I never really thought of that twotoneterran...

it is a possibility that flash saw the proleague finals coming and his matches vs best coming and tricked him by losing his matches so he could roll him in the ACE match of the PL finals.
CJ Entusman #58 | Gogogo Stats
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 14:52:31
August 19 2011 14:51 GMT
#7764
SKT Coach Park taking a lot of flak here for choosing BeSt over Bisu... I can't blame either the Coach (who probably weighed the odds and figured out Best has a better chance) or the fans (who wanted to see the two biggest stars face off in the biggest single match of the entire season). Imagine the flak he's taking on Korean web communities too, I just hope he can withstand the momentary rage/hate.

It's not a far stretch of imagination right now to think that Coach Park would be considering resignation. I think the guy is a great coach, still has a lot to prove (especially without oov next year), and he should be behind the SKT bench next season.

*edit: and if Flash indeed played that mindgame... crazy stuff lol
[TLMS] REBOOT
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
August 19 2011 15:02 GMT
#7765
To be fair to Disciple,

Bisu was chosen in Winnersleague and it paid off, but I remember recently? in that group of death that Bisu got stomped by Flash pretty badly, so I can understand Park in that manner.

Fantasy still would have been their best pick to snipe flash IMO.

Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
August 19 2011 15:05 GMT
#7766
Woke up and just saw the results. Fuck yeah.
always tired -_-
Vinnesta
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore285 Posts
August 19 2011 15:06 GMT
#7767
On August 19 2011 23:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 23:43 okum wrote:
I think Flash lost his macro games to Best earlier this year on purpose to trick the SKT coach into sending some easy food in the ace match of the grand final.


Ten whole months of pure MIND GAME


Sounds just like Flash to do something like this! Flash's mechanics are excellent, but nothing compared to how GODLIKE he is when it comes to the mental part of the game.

Well it's an improvement over last year. If SKT keeps this up for another year, they'll actually tie with KT 4-4! Oh wait...
Same difference is not an oxymoron!
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
August 19 2011 15:10 GMT
#7768
On August 20 2011 00:06 Vinnesta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 23:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2011 23:43 okum wrote:
I think Flash lost his macro games to Best earlier this year on purpose to trick the SKT coach into sending some easy food in the ace match of the grand final.


Ten whole months of pure MIND GAME


Sounds just like Flash to do something like this! Flash's mechanics are excellent, but nothing compared to how GODLIKE he is when it comes to the mental part of the game.

Well it's an improvement over last year. If SKT keeps this up for another year, they'll actually tie with KT 4-4! Oh wait...


In fact I bet the mind games started all the way in the first game of this season, when flash lost to best on purpose knowing this day will come.....(I'm kidding, some times a win is just a win)
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
August 19 2011 15:14 GMT
#7769
I just got back from the finals, and man... what a roller coaster ride. First 2 hours were so great, SKT was owning and our side just had so much energy. But then it just went downhill, and I think everyone kind of began to... deflate. The worst part was when people started leaving before it was even over. Half the guys in my row got up and left when Best got sent out for the ace match, and the other half left halfway through that game. I guess it was THAT obvious that he had no chance. They never showed it on camera, but by the time the match was over, less than 1/5 of the T1 fans were still there.

And poor Best... When I left, I passed by the window of their waiting room, and he looked like he was crying. I really hope he doesnt take it too hard.

But yeah, I was really disappointed we didnt get a Flash vs. Bisu ace match though. I was so looking forward to it

Also sad that they didnt let me keep the flag lol.
Writer:o
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
August 19 2011 15:17 GMT
#7770
On August 20 2011 00:14 seraphe wrote:
I just got back from the finals, and man... what a roller coaster ride. First 2 hours were so great, SKT was owning and our side just had so much energy. But then it just went downhill, and I think everyone kind of began to... deflate. The worst part was when people started leaving before it was even over. Half the guys in my row got up and left when Best got sent out for the ace match, and the other half left halfway through that game. I guess it was THAT obvious that he had no chance. They never showed it on camera, but by the time the match was over, less than 1/5 of the T1 fans were still there.

And poor Best... When I left, I passed by the window of their waiting room, and he looked like he was crying. I really hope he doesnt take it too hard.

But yeah, I was really disappointed we didnt get a Flash vs. Bisu ace match though. I was so looking forward to it

Also sad that they didnt let me keep the flag lol.

Man what the hell, that sucks. And they call themselves SKT fans. Disgraceful.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
UrASofty
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Canada772 Posts
August 19 2011 15:17 GMT
#7771
the coach didnt send out bisu cause he till holds a grudge towarsd bisu, when bisu called him out for not letting him practice for individual leagues
i be that pretty motherfucker
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
August 19 2011 15:20 GMT
#7772
On August 20 2011 00:14 seraphe wrote:
I just got back from the finals, and man... what a roller coaster ride. First 2 hours were so great, SKT was owning and our side just had so much energy. But then it just went downhill, and I think everyone kind of began to... deflate. The worst part was when people started leaving before it was even over. Half the guys in my row got up and left when Best got sent out for the ace match, and the other half left halfway through that game. I guess it was THAT obvious that he had no chance. They never showed it on camera, but by the time the match was over, less than 1/5 of the T1 fans were still there.

And poor Best... When I left, I passed by the window of their waiting room, and he looked like he was crying. I really hope he doesnt take it too hard.

But yeah, I was really disappointed we didnt get a Flash vs. Bisu ace match though. I was so looking forward to it

Also sad that they didnt let me keep the flag lol.


Lucky you.

But yeah that must be so hard for Best. Poor guy. And these fans man... wow, they could show a little more respect towards their favorite team imo...
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
August 19 2011 15:21 GMT
#7773
On August 20 2011 00:17 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 00:14 seraphe wrote:
I just got back from the finals, and man... what a roller coaster ride. First 2 hours were so great, SKT was owning and our side just had so much energy. But then it just went downhill, and I think everyone kind of began to... deflate. The worst part was when people started leaving before it was even over. Half the guys in my row got up and left when Best got sent out for the ace match, and the other half left halfway through that game. I guess it was THAT obvious that he had no chance. They never showed it on camera, but by the time the match was over, less than 1/5 of the T1 fans were still there.

And poor Best... When I left, I passed by the window of their waiting room, and he looked like he was crying. I really hope he doesnt take it too hard.

But yeah, I was really disappointed we didnt get a Flash vs. Bisu ace match though. I was so looking forward to it

Also sad that they didnt let me keep the flag lol.

Man what the hell, that sucks. And they call themselves SKT fans. Disgraceful.


Bigger the team, the bigger the bandwagon gets.

I feel empty now..... Hope the OSL picks up real soon!!!
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 15:30:06
August 19 2011 15:26 GMT
#7774
On August 20 2011 00:20 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 00:14 seraphe wrote:
I just got back from the finals, and man... what a roller coaster ride. First 2 hours were so great, SKT was owning and our side just had so much energy. But then it just went downhill, and I think everyone kind of began to... deflate. The worst part was when people started leaving before it was even over. Half the guys in my row got up and left when Best got sent out for the ace match, and the other half left halfway through that game. I guess it was THAT obvious that he had no chance. They never showed it on camera, but by the time the match was over, less than 1/5 of the T1 fans were still there.

And poor Best... When I left, I passed by the window of their waiting room, and he looked like he was crying. I really hope he doesnt take it too hard.

But yeah, I was really disappointed we didnt get a Flash vs. Bisu ace match though. I was so looking forward to it

Also sad that they didnt let me keep the flag lol.


Lucky you.

But yeah that must be so hard for Best. Poor guy. And these fans man... wow, they could show a little more respect towards their favorite team imo...

i think often when there's a dominant player on the team, a lot of the fans of that team are really just fans of that player rather than the team. a lot of SKT1 fans i noticed always say how little faith they have in fantasy, best, and their zerg line up. same goes for hwaseung oz fans who root against hiya when he has a 3 kill because they want to see jaedong play lol.

tbh best is the progamer i hate the most (followed closely by killer), but i still don't blame park at all for sending him out. his pvt is insane and he was on a 2 game winstreak against flash. not to mention bisu got stomped not once, but twice in that MSL group of death. i also think fantasy really gets a worse wrap than he deserves. the guy is the 2nd best terran ffs.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
August 19 2011 15:32 GMT
#7775
On August 20 2011 00:26 Motivate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 00:20 Essbee wrote:
On August 20 2011 00:14 seraphe wrote:
I just got back from the finals, and man... what a roller coaster ride. First 2 hours were so great, SKT was owning and our side just had so much energy. But then it just went downhill, and I think everyone kind of began to... deflate. The worst part was when people started leaving before it was even over. Half the guys in my row got up and left when Best got sent out for the ace match, and the other half left halfway through that game. I guess it was THAT obvious that he had no chance. They never showed it on camera, but by the time the match was over, less than 1/5 of the T1 fans were still there.

And poor Best... When I left, I passed by the window of their waiting room, and he looked like he was crying. I really hope he doesnt take it too hard.

But yeah, I was really disappointed we didnt get a Flash vs. Bisu ace match though. I was so looking forward to it

Also sad that they didnt let me keep the flag lol.


Lucky you.

But yeah that must be so hard for Best. Poor guy. And these fans man... wow, they could show a little more respect towards their favorite team imo...

i think often when there's a dominant player on the team, a lot of the fans of that team are really just fans of that player rather than the team. a lot of SKT1 fans i noticed always say how little faith they have in fantasy, best, and their zerg line up. same goes for hwaseung oz fans who root against hiya when he has a 3 kill because they want to see jaedong play lol.

tbh best is the progamer i hate the most (followed closely by killer), but i still don't blame park at all for sending him out. his pvt is insane and he was on a 2 game winstreak against flash. not to mention bisu got stomped not once, but twice in that MSL group of death. i also think fantasy really gets a worse wrap than he deserves. the guy is the 2nd best terran ffs.


Yeah fantasy would probably have been my choice too.

But ya, I remember a guy saying that you should root for a team and their players and not for a player and his team.
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
August 19 2011 15:33 GMT
#7776
On August 20 2011 00:17 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 00:14 seraphe wrote:
I just got back from the finals, and man... what a roller coaster ride. First 2 hours were so great, SKT was owning and our side just had so much energy. But then it just went downhill, and I think everyone kind of began to... deflate. The worst part was when people started leaving before it was even over. Half the guys in my row got up and left when Best got sent out for the ace match, and the other half left halfway through that game. I guess it was THAT obvious that he had no chance. They never showed it on camera, but by the time the match was over, less than 1/5 of the T1 fans were still there.

And poor Best... When I left, I passed by the window of their waiting room, and he looked like he was crying. I really hope he doesnt take it too hard.

But yeah, I was really disappointed we didnt get a Flash vs. Bisu ace match though. I was so looking forward to it

Also sad that they didnt let me keep the flag lol.

Man what the hell, that sucks. And they call themselves SKT fans. Disgraceful.

Must be diehard Bisu fans.
Korean Air, please save Fox.
Jetsuo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States53 Posts
August 19 2011 15:35 GMT
#7777
zomg I wish I stayed up for this. HOEJJA! FLASH! GEE GEE
TL ruined my life...
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
August 19 2011 15:37 GMT
#7778
hope the vods will be up soon, missed the last match
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
August 19 2011 15:48 GMT
#7779
and T1 fans were the ones saying that best would have sniped flash last year in the ACE match...
CJ Entusman #58 | Gogogo Stats
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 15:52:47
August 19 2011 15:50 GMT
#7780
I would have wanted an epic game of Fantasy vs Flash as Fanta is statistically the best choice of the three choices for SKT (Bisu < Flash in meta, BeSt < Zerg and unsure vs Flash), especially with time to prepare. Still, excellent games overall from everyone. Worth watching live and in VoDs AND/OR saved streams.

IMO HoeJJa saved KT there with that game on Bloody Ridge. Had he lost that, 4-0 would have most likely happened. The stereotypical SKT Zerg showed up this match (0-2 against at least even opposition), and BeSt was unclutch once again.
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