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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 19 2011 13:49 GMT
#7701
On August 19 2011 22:33 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:32 Iplaythings wrote:
So happy right now ._.

Undescribable

wish I could feel what you're feeling right now.
I'm not really sad though, it was a great series, and I don't feel bitter about losing tonight. But I can't say I'm not disappointed though. (man 2 perfect rounds...and the entire season T_T )

on the other hand I wish I could feel what you feel right now - I have influenza in real life... it's a fucking bitch haha

Ironically the influenza allowed me to stay home from school to watch it... so maybe illness isn't that bad after all
In the woods, there lurks..
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
August 19 2011 13:50 GMT
#7702
On August 19 2011 22:47 raga4ka wrote:
Next year with great effort CJ will 100 % be in the finals .

Effort vs Violet ace match .
"Start yo" -FlaSh
yskay
Profile Joined January 2010
Argentina23 Posts
August 19 2011 13:50 GMT
#7703
oh~...
i forgot someone..
violet fightinG~!!
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 13:54:44
August 19 2011 13:51 GMT
#7704
On August 19 2011 22:36 human_ko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:35 deafhobbit wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:33 human_ko wrote:
what is the prize for the 1st place? why do they never say?


Do they say what the prize for winning the world cup is?

The money is secondary.


finally somebody answered :D
not saying the prize is just silly i think, what if its $47 or what if its $79k

there's not an sc2 cup with no prize announced...


My two cents on this:

Proleague is such a big marketing venue for the companies that sponsor the teams, they don't really care that much for the price itself, but the value they can get from their team performing well. SC2 doesn't have a big team scene and with such sponsors and this is why they need to attract players and teams to participate in their league, so that THEIR league will get the best players/teams and the majority of viewers.

In BW you have KeSPA, who organizes everything and just looks for sponsors to give extra cash, but they advertise the sponsor so much that it all pays out in the end.

Other thing is that here players have set salaries and increases are given based on performance in proleague if you want an increased pay from the team, while in SC2 no billion dollar company has yet sponsored a team (correct me if Im wrong), thus teams need the money.

It was the case with GOMTV Intel Classic, they wanted players to participate, that would give them the viewers and eventually it would be another big league that GOM could profit from (many viewers, ad venue, etc). It was not considered an "official" league because KeSPA didn't take it into consideration and they had to give the biggest prize pool, if we can trust Tasteless, in a single league. But since it was not a KeSPA thing, even if you won it, you didn't get any KeSPA points, so players focused on things that mattered, and personal sponsors were not amused by rookies beating pros, who went there to see if they can win without practising. Unlike the OSL/MSL where you get personal sponsorship.

The thing that is keeping STX league is that it is a team league and big companies that sponsor the teams benefit more from it.

TL;DR: It is a big advertisement for the sponsoring companies and they don't care for the prize pool as much as the advertisement they will get.

On August 19 2011 22:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
There's no prize money for winning the superbowl or world series. The money comes from the viewership powering the sponsors. That's how an actual sport operates and it's a level of success that Broodwar is lucky to have.


He said it better
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Slaynte
Profile Joined April 2010
United States155 Posts
August 19 2011 13:51 GMT
#7705
soo so disappointing with his play.
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
August 19 2011 13:51 GMT
#7706
On August 19 2011 22:46 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:34 gulati wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:32 Thorin wrote:
It's so crazy to think back to mid 2009 when Flash was that guy who had been a BW prodigy with his OSL at such an early age but then failed to live up to his potential over and over in OSL/MSL. Plus his team was in Child Labour Terran mode so his efforts there almost felt like a waste of time.

Now he's tied for most OSLs ever, most MSLs ever and has just won a second Proleague in a row. All with a busted wrist. Wow, just wow. Inspirational stuff to say that least.


You have your dates messed up bro. When did Flash not deliver "over and over" in OSL/MSL? He won almost every one he competed in from mid 09 until now. Only a VERY select few he didn't win. I think he won almost all but one in 2010. Your years are wrong


Early 2009. He was in great form in Winner's league and still in OSL and MSL. Lost to Best to crash out of the OSL and the next day to Leta from a 1-0 advantage.

Next season: group of death in the OSL. Lost to [cheater]Yellow in with some wierd Valkyrie rush on HBR, then lost to Jaedong and was out. I think he lost a series to Kwanro in the MSL. Don't remember the games but I assume it involved a lot of zerglings.

He beat Firebathero in a great game but asked his coach to let him play on Battle Royal and lost to Oversky. KT didn't make it to the playoffs.


haha... surprisingly enough one of the kwanro matches he got kwanrolled by some ultralisks on outsider when kwanro built 10 - 15 sunkens at his natural
CJ Entusman #58 | Gogogo Stats
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
August 19 2011 13:52 GMT
#7707
On August 19 2011 22:48 Shurayuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:44 Kimoleon wrote:
Thanks to all the streamers, people who watched the stream, and to the fellow translators who helped Nanashin's stream out. I'm pretty sad SKT lost but Flash is Flash and I bet he'll be even better after his carpal tunnel treatment in a month.

Here's to another lifetime of Brood War!, SKT1 Forever~~ (Best we still love you T.T)


i'm more concerned if he loves himself after that also hope korean netizens keep their reactions in check, it's just that doorbell interview was a really really troubling look into his mindset and with what those guys did to movie and the like after KT-CJ, damn

you will get a chance to run through fans naked soon enough BeSt, hold on

I fear for BeSt as well since his losses today will most likely haunt him even during next PL season, and he revealed that he's very sensitive to netizen comments.

Unfortunately most Korean netizens seem to be questioning Coach Park's decision to send BeSt out again and are criticizing him for it. I hope that SKT fans won't bash BeSt; out of all the players to send out, BeSt seems to be the most sensitive to losses and is a pretty emotional guy. He needs all the support he can get right now.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 19 2011 13:53 GMT
#7708
There's no prize money for winning the superbowl or world series. The money comes from the viewership powering the sponsors. That's how an actual sport operates and it's a level of success that Broodwar is lucky to have.
Remember Violet.
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
August 19 2011 13:54 GMT
#7709
On August 19 2011 22:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
There's no prize money for winning the superbowl or world series. The money comes from the viewership powering the sponsors. That's how an actual sport operates and it's a level of success that Broodwar is lucky to have.


Thanks for simplifying it <3

"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
champignones
Profile Joined September 2008
Panama160 Posts
August 19 2011 13:54 GMT
#7710
i remember when flash went for msl finals against zero, and everybody said that zero has chance against flash, due to their encounters, also with best, he is a flash killer, etc. the thing is when flash is in god mode(super prepared) you cant trust in statistics anymore, they can be deceiving and backfire.
you shouldnt worry if everybody ignore you, you should be worry when they dont anymore.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 19 2011 13:55 GMT
#7711
I think the prize money for the SPL final is around 80k - 100k $ .
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Weemoed
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands741 Posts
August 19 2011 13:55 GMT
#7712
On August 19 2011 22:47 Taryssa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:44 Weemoed wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:42 Taryssa wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:41 Weemoed wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:40 Taryssa wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:39 SgtPepper wrote:
Don''t be too sad SKT fans, you did steal the Winner's League Championship from us so this is just karma :D



:D we will meet again, don't worry. It's inevitable, I was really impressed by Flash tonight yet again and don't see how other teams can compete.


I hope we meet again in next seasons finals


Yess..I don't care if my favorite team wins the finals or not, getting there at all is such a test of faith and power that it's a victory all the same.

If we have another KT vs SKT1 finals though, I will freak out.


I wholeheartedly agree


I'LL BE LOOKING FOR YOU!

Just kidding haha, but honestly if the next finals end up as a repeat of this it will be extremely epic. We're pretty close to 400 pages here...


I'll be there... in the TL thread that is
Bring me to space, and let me wander there forever
_awake_
Profile Joined August 2007
196 Posts
August 19 2011 13:56 GMT
#7713
Epic finals. I feel sorry for Best, but he was playing Flash afterall.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
August 19 2011 13:56 GMT
#7714
On August 19 2011 22:52 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:48 Shurayuki wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:44 Kimoleon wrote:
Thanks to all the streamers, people who watched the stream, and to the fellow translators who helped Nanashin's stream out. I'm pretty sad SKT lost but Flash is Flash and I bet he'll be even better after his carpal tunnel treatment in a month.

Here's to another lifetime of Brood War!, SKT1 Forever~~ (Best we still love you T.T)


i'm more concerned if he loves himself after that also hope korean netizens keep their reactions in check, it's just that doorbell interview was a really really troubling look into his mindset and with what those guys did to movie and the like after KT-CJ, damn

you will get a chance to run through fans naked soon enough BeSt, hold on

I fear for BeSt as well since his losses today will most likely haunt him even during next PL season, and he revealed that he's very sensitive to netizen comments.

Unfortunately most Korean netizens seem to be questioning Coach Park's decision to send BeSt out again and are criticizing him for it. I hope that SKT fans won't bash BeSt; out of all the players to send out, BeSt seems to be the most sensitive to losses and is a pretty emotional guy. He needs all the support he can get right now.

Yeah. The only paewang left is pure, and I don't want him to be one again. Maybe he can redeem himself in the STX masters?
"Start yo" -FlaSh
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
August 19 2011 13:56 GMT
#7715
On August 19 2011 22:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
There's no prize money for winning the superbowl or world series. The money comes from the viewership powering the sponsors. That's how an actual sport operates and it's a level of success that Broodwar is lucky to have.


Thank's for writing all the pro KT articles in the SPL writeups. You showed all the doubters.

"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 19 2011 13:57 GMT
#7716
On August 19 2011 22:52 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:48 Shurayuki wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:44 Kimoleon wrote:
Thanks to all the streamers, people who watched the stream, and to the fellow translators who helped Nanashin's stream out. I'm pretty sad SKT lost but Flash is Flash and I bet he'll be even better after his carpal tunnel treatment in a month.

Here's to another lifetime of Brood War!, SKT1 Forever~~ (Best we still love you T.T)


i'm more concerned if he loves himself after that also hope korean netizens keep their reactions in check, it's just that doorbell interview was a really really troubling look into his mindset and with what those guys did to movie and the like after KT-CJ, damn

you will get a chance to run through fans naked soon enough BeSt, hold on

I fear for BeSt as well since his losses today will most likely haunt him even during next PL season, and he revealed that he's very sensitive to netizen comments.

Unfortunately most Korean netizens seem to be questioning Coach Park's decision to send BeSt out again and are criticizing him for it. I hope that SKT fans won't bash BeSt; out of all the players to send out, BeSt seems to be the most sensitive to losses and is a pretty emotional guy. He needs all the support he can get right now.


Eh, the impact on his mental condition can't be as bad as the 2008 OSL Final vs JulyZerg, now can it?

To be honest, I was questioning Park's decision to send out Best to face Flash after their earlier game, but it seemed like he recovered from that ok, he just needed a bit of extra oomph to win. Which he lacked. Sadly (or not, depending if you're a fan or not).
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
August 19 2011 13:57 GMT
#7717
On August 19 2011 22:47 Taryssa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:44 Weemoed wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:42 Taryssa wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:41 Weemoed wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:40 Taryssa wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:39 SgtPepper wrote:
Don''t be too sad SKT fans, you did steal the Winner's League Championship from us so this is just karma :D



:D we will meet again, don't worry. It's inevitable, I was really impressed by Flash tonight yet again and don't see how other teams can compete.


I hope we meet again in next seasons finals


Yess..I don't care if my favorite team wins the finals or not, getting there at all is such a test of faith and power that it's a victory all the same.

If we have another KT vs SKT1 finals though, I will freak out.


I wholeheartedly agree


I'LL BE LOOKING FOR YOU!

Just kidding haha, but honestly if the next finals end up as a repeat of this it will be extremely epic. We're pretty close to 400 pages here...

You mean a repeat of this year and last years finals? We can only hope that KT will win 3 years in a row.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 19 2011 13:57 GMT
#7718
On August 19 2011 22:55 SkelA wrote:
I think the prize money for the SPL final is around 80k - 100k $ .

Yeah, last season was 80mWon for the winner.

If they indeed are not giving out prize money this year, I can understand the decision because Shinhan/Kespa lost a lot of money due to the cancellation of the Shanghai finals.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 14:00:06
August 19 2011 13:58 GMT
#7719
On August 19 2011 22:56 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:52 Spica wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:48 Shurayuki wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:44 Kimoleon wrote:
Thanks to all the streamers, people who watched the stream, and to the fellow translators who helped Nanashin's stream out. I'm pretty sad SKT lost but Flash is Flash and I bet he'll be even better after his carpal tunnel treatment in a month.

Here's to another lifetime of Brood War!, SKT1 Forever~~ (Best we still love you T.T)


i'm more concerned if he loves himself after that also hope korean netizens keep their reactions in check, it's just that doorbell interview was a really really troubling look into his mindset and with what those guys did to movie and the like after KT-CJ, damn

you will get a chance to run through fans naked soon enough BeSt, hold on

I fear for BeSt as well since his losses today will most likely haunt him even during next PL season, and he revealed that he's very sensitive to netizen comments.

Unfortunately most Korean netizens seem to be questioning Coach Park's decision to send BeSt out again and are criticizing him for it. I hope that SKT fans won't bash BeSt; out of all the players to send out, BeSt seems to be the most sensitive to losses and is a pretty emotional guy. He needs all the support he can get right now.

Yeah. The only paewang left is pure, and I don't want him to be one again. Maybe he can redeem himself in the STX masters?

Hopefully so. A triumphant win there would definitely boost his confidence a little for next season. I'd hate to see a self-bashing BeSt again. ><

On August 19 2011 22:57 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:52 Spica wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:48 Shurayuki wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:44 Kimoleon wrote:
Thanks to all the streamers, people who watched the stream, and to the fellow translators who helped Nanashin's stream out. I'm pretty sad SKT lost but Flash is Flash and I bet he'll be even better after his carpal tunnel treatment in a month.

Here's to another lifetime of Brood War!, SKT1 Forever~~ (Best we still love you T.T)


i'm more concerned if he loves himself after that also hope korean netizens keep their reactions in check, it's just that doorbell interview was a really really troubling look into his mindset and with what those guys did to movie and the like after KT-CJ, damn

you will get a chance to run through fans naked soon enough BeSt, hold on

I fear for BeSt as well since his losses today will most likely haunt him even during next PL season, and he revealed that he's very sensitive to netizen comments.

Unfortunately most Korean netizens seem to be questioning Coach Park's decision to send BeSt out again and are criticizing him for it. I hope that SKT fans won't bash BeSt; out of all the players to send out, BeSt seems to be the most sensitive to losses and is a pretty emotional guy. He needs all the support he can get right now.


Eh, the impact on his mental condition can't be as bad as the 2008 OSL Final vs JulyZerg, now can it?

To be honest, I was questioning Park's decision to send out Best to face Flash after their earlier game, but it seemed like he recovered from that ok, he just needed a bit of extra oomph to win. Which he lacked. Sadly (or not, depending if you're a fan or not).

Lol of course! He still reminisces about going far in an individual league once, ah poor guy.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
jambOng
Profile Joined January 2010
United States86 Posts
August 19 2011 13:59 GMT
#7720
FLASH BONJWA
GG.
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