these fangirl screams are really awkward because they are all different tones and you can distinguish between the serious ones and the 'charity' screams
On July 08 2011 19:59 Spica wrote: Fantasy talking about how he waited for this OSL to come and how he enjoyed seeing his brother participating in MySL too
On July 08 2011 19:59 Spica wrote: Fantasy talking about how he waited for this OSL to come and how he enjoyed seeing his brother participating in MySL too
Jaedong: "Blah blah I hope to do well in this OSL. I think that I have to win this OSL, since I pretty much have nothing to do... I should at least win this OSL."
Q: Do you want to meet HiyA again? Jaedong: "No, because I think that I'll lose to another teammate again"
I hope Modesty gets stuck with Jaedong/Flash/Hydra group. Just so hydra(for making the MSL group of death) and modesty(for not being good) leave the OSL ASAP.
Q: (To HiyA) Do you want to teamkill again HiyA: Hellz yeah! But I don't want to face Flash. Jaedong's not doing well in practice recently actually. If I go far, then we'll see about me doing some ceremonies. I do want to do some though."
On July 08 2011 20:05 Spica wrote: Q: (To HiyA) Do you want to teamkill again HiyA: Hellz yeah! But I don't want to face Flash. Jaedong's not doing well in practice recently actually. If I go far, then we'll see about me doing some ceremonies. I do want to do some though."
Hiya already avoided flash by drawing same group :D
On July 08 2011 20:05 baubo wrote: I hope Modesty gets stuck with Jaedong/Flash/Hydra group. Just so hydra(for making the MSL group of death) and modesty(for not being good) leave the OSL ASAP.
haters gonna hate i guess
i don't really care what happens as long as stork and jangbi can advance, 99% of the interesting players already got eliminated
Flash: "The hospital advised me not to play too much, but I think that I can still play. I think that there won't be any problems with my wrist though. I haven't been practicing that much lately because I've been going to the hospital a lot. But I don't want my fans to worry too much about me. I'm okay, but the hospital is worried about my health. I'll be fine though, so don't worry."
Q: (To Stork) Your thoughts on getting another silver? Stork: It's regrettable that I got 2nd place again, so this time I definitely want to go far and win another Starleague.
Q: Do you think that you can win again? Stork: I haven't been doing too well in PL recently, but I believe that I'll do better this OSL.
Q: Why do you do worse when Jangbi does well? Stork: Jangbi is doing well recently, but I hope that I start winning with him more. I'm actually fine with teamkills, but I want to avoid Jangbi; he's actually quite scary lately.
hyvaa: I actually thought that I wouldn't make the Ro16, but I'm happy that I made it. The game with Bisu was actually the scariest in prelims. I want to avoid playing Terrans, and since I did win against Bisu, I want to play a Protoss.
On July 08 2011 20:11 Spica wrote: Q: (To Stork) Your thoughts on getting another silver? Stork: It's regrettable that I got 2nd place again, so this time I definitely want to go far and win another Starleague.
Q: Do you think that you can win again? Stork: I haven't been doing too well in PL recently, but I believe that I'll do better this OSL.
Q: Why do you do worse when Jangbi does well? Stork: Jangbi is doing well recently, but I hope that I start winning with him more. I'm actually fine with teamkills, but I want to avoid Jangbi; he's actually quite scary lately.
Unfortunately, my only beef with Stork is his lack of caring for teamkill. Really disliked his decision to put Jangbi in his OSL group years ago.
That said, wouldn't mind a Khan teamkill in the finals.
On July 08 2011 20:18 Dakkas wrote: God these guys are SOOOO BORING!
Where is FBH when we need you?
Not currently watching since I can't understand Korean, but I remember that OSL group ceremonies were always boring compared to MSL ones. Progamers themselves are obviously not the most outspoken bunch in public, so you really need to provide the right atmosphere. And OSL has always been the rigid kind of a SL.
On July 08 2011 20:18 Dakkas wrote: God these guys are SOOOO BORING!
Where is FBH when we need you?
Not currently watching since I can't understand Korean, but I remember that OSL group ceremonies were always boring compared to MSL ones. Progamers themselves are obviously not the most outspoken bunch in public, so you really need to provide the right atmosphere. And OSL has always been the rigid kind of a SL.
This is why I always look forward to MSL group selection, because there's more people involved (32>16) and the MSL crew make it a lot more fun.
Fantasy: *Giddy grin* "Yes, I loved soccer a lot when I was little and played it a lot, so I wanted to become a pro soccer player. I wasn't that good at it though when I was little. I still have a lot to go even though I won an OSL as a progamer."
Commentators: "Say a message to the little kids as a progamer!" Fantasy: "Lol uhhh... Since you guys are still young, try out as many things as possible and don't give up your dreams."
On July 08 2011 20:26 Spica wrote: Looks like this OSL's theme is "dreams as a progamer/when you were young"/dreams and goals in general. Generic fluff, meh
Too bad we have to wait at least one month for the MSL group selection...
On July 08 2011 20:28 Spica wrote: Yeah, the OSL is much more rigid than the MSL. If you want hilarious ceremonies, gotta wait till the MSL group ceremony.
Hopefully when the begging to move out of groups begins, there will be some funny bribes.
Do I need to bring up Hydra-Great antics from last MSL.... Flash should use his power to make all other players bow before him :D
Modesty: "I want a group with 3 Zergs and 1 Terran. I just want to mostly play against Zergs. No, I don't want to pick Jangbi. I just want to play a Zerg."
Calm: "I actually wanted an all Zerg group... I want to play Zergs. There's not a Zerg player I particularly want to play. I don't think that I'll pick a toss though since there's not many of them."
Baby: "I honestly wanted a group with lots of Zerg in it, but having 1 Protoss in there is okay. I don't care if either Killer or Hydra enters my group."
Stork: "It's really a huge relief that I managed to avoid picking Jangbi. I'm really grateful to Fantasy for letting me go 3rd, and I want to play Soo."
Stork: "I'm sorry that you have to do a teamkill Fantasy, but you did win the championship last year so... It's regrettable that I didn't draw Soo so that I can't get my revenge on him, but hopefully I'll be able to get it next time."
Shine: "I always seem to end up playing Stork in the OSL..."
Fantasy: "I don't really want to do a teamkill, especially against Soo, who's doing well recently."
Commentators comment on how Fantasy always seems to teamkill
LOOOOL. Flash:''i want to avoid stork'' Commentators: ''what about fantasy?'' Flash: '' i want to avoid fantasy as well'' Commentators:'' LOL what are you going to do?run away?''
On July 08 2011 21:00 Spica wrote: Stork draws Shine
Stork: "I'm sorry that you have to do a teamkill Fantasy, but you did win the championship last year so... It's regrettable that I didn't draw Soo so that I can't get my revenge on him, but hopefully I'll be able to get it next time."
Shine: "I always seem to end up playing Stork in the OSL..."
Fantasy: "I don't really want to do a teamkill, especially against Soo, who's doing well recently."
Commentators comment on how Fantasy always seems to teamkill
"You knocked out Hyuk... Twice." "You knocked out Bisu 0-3 in a semifinal."
Flash: "I want to avoid both Stork and Fantasy hyung..."
*Audience lols*
Flash: "I want to avoid them equally, but I guess I'll have to play against one of them."
HiyA: "I wanna play Stork! Since I'm beating him in our win-loss record recently heheh. I thought that I got knocked out last season because of the maps were imba, but after seeing Fantasy winning the championship, I realized that I just sucked on those maps lol. I want to thank Fantasy for showing me that practice really matters."
I'm quite worried about Flash's chances, for the first time since forever (last Group of Death I felt nothing but excitement and confidence). He's got a bad wrist and has to play Bo1's vs some really kick-ass players.
Anyways, Group B is gonna be awesome to watch! ^__^
Fantasy: "Although I did want to avoid playing Flash... I'll just do my best along with Soo so that we can go far together."
Soo: "It's a shame that I ended up in the same group as Fantasy hyung, but I guess practice will be a bit easier. I'll do my best to advance with Fantasy hyung."
HiyA: "This group gives me bad vibes. I wanted to avoid playing Flash, then Fantasy, along with TvTs, but lo and behold, I ended up in a group full of Terrans. I really have bad luck today. But I'll do my best to have good games."
Sea: "I like my group. It's a good one. I always ended up in groups of deaths in the OSL, so it's great that I managed to avoid one this time. I think that I'll just end up staying in the Ro16 though instead of going far lol."
Thanks Spica for on-site translating, groups don't look too bad...
Predicting: Group A: Sea, SoO Group B: Flash, Stork Group C: Calm, gonna make a wild choice and say BaBy Group D: Hoping for Jaedong, and uh, Modesty I guess since he was ZvZ sniper?
It's weird that they have not announced the sponsor yet, if I recall for the last one Bacchus was announced as the sponsor like, before the Ro32, so they had the intros with the Bacchus logo early on.
Don't tell me... Blizzard OSL? Cause that's the only logo I see
This might be the group that could allow Modesty to pass. Hyvaa and Hyuk are quite unstable in their performance. Modesty hasn't shown much since his OSL run tho.
On July 08 2011 21:33 Spica wrote: Ciryandor, can you please put this on the OP:
Round of 16 Day 1 is on 7/15 at 19:30 KST
I believe it's Group A playing first
Isn't it 1 set from each group A-D in that order every game night, like previous OSLs?
Oh yeahhh
Total brain fart there lol
Lemme edit that
From what I caught, Flash is playing Hydra on the first day. Something to watch for. Then Jaedong vs, uh hyvaa? on Day 2, and Fantasy SoO? I'm not too sure, but Flash v Hydra on Day 1 = I'm 100% sure.
Edit: I guess from Ryo's post the SKT team kill is Day 1 then, my brain cant fit Korean name + team -> player that quickly lol
I think Stork can beat both Shine and Hydra. Shine has not had a lot of TV games the past half year, so he lacks experience right now. And Stork wants to prove himself against Hydra after the MSL Ro16 loss. I think Flash would be his biggest problem, but we shall see.
One of Modesty, hyvaa, Hyuk being guaranteed Ro16 is disheartening. Well, I wouldn't mind Hyuk for the silliness I suppose.
On July 08 2011 21:39 disciple wrote: that must be the most underwhelming OSL lineup in recent years. And the problem are the seeds. All 4 of them are players in godawful shape
I'm counting on both Fantasy and Stork to rise up now during the Starleague season.
Honestly, I really dislike the whole concept of a Group of Death. I want to see 2 stars and 2 mediocre guys in each group. This way you can have "upsets" which are cool, or have the best players play each other in BoX rather than one time in group stages that's not even sudden-death.
That said, it's nice to see Stork picking his nemesis, even if it is sort of to his detriment to pick 2 players he'll be considered underdogs against. But damn, S-Class PvT with Stork vs Flash again in quite some time. IMO the most anticipated game in this entire round.
On July 08 2011 21:46 disciple wrote: cmon Sea, that must be your OSL. Flash is injured, JD prolly wont beat his group and Stork and fantasy are terrible. The time is now !
I wish this too so much. Seeing that interview from him, this should be a perfect chance to get it done!
On July 08 2011 21:46 disciple wrote: cmon Sea, that must be your OSL. Flash is injured, JD prolly wont beat his group and Stork and fantasy are terrible. The time is now !
Group Derp is going to be so lulzy when Modesty and Hyuk advance to the next round. Well, at least this will encourage the current B-teamers to stay in SCBW - you can be as bad as some players in Group D and still make it to the Ro8.
On July 08 2011 21:52 OpticalShot wrote: Group Derp is going to be so lulzy when Modesty and Hyuk advance to the next round. Well, at least this will encourage the current B-teamers to stay in SCBW - you can be as bad as some players in Group D and still make it to the Ro8.
One year ago, a group with only zergs would be auto win for JD....right now Im not so sure if he can get out of that group, On the other hand I dont think that those players will take him out...Im actually more worried about Flash
The good thing about Jaedong + 3 zergs is that Jaedong usually does get very good at the matchup he starts practicing, like his ZvT now. We could be seeing a resurgence in JvZ especially since he's not playing in MSL yet.
Omg...so many Zergs, and only 2 Tosses. =( Well, at least i know 2of them will be eliminated in that all Zerg group (hopefully not Jaedong though...). Also, I'm calling that Jangbi will advance from his group 3-0. =P
How are more people concerned about Group D than any other group? It is by far the least competitive. At least 3 of 4 players of every other group are better than the best among Modesty, Hyuk and Hyvaa, and LITERALLY everyone else has a higher ELO than all 3.
On July 08 2011 23:58 VGhost wrote: The first two groups have clear favorites:
Group A: fantasy, Sea. Group B: Flash, Hydra
Then
Group C: Jangbi, ??? (BaBy's the best player in the abstract but Calm can be good and Killer's a wild card at this level of competition.)
And finally
Group D: Jaedong should win, then Hyuk or Modesty - I don't like hyvaa's chances. But ZvZ is messy.
Group B has Stork, Flash and Hydra and some other guy who I already forgot. It is actually a very interesting group and the closest to a group of death in this OSL. We have two fantastic players in Flash and Stork who are both off their game, and we have Hydra, the up-and-comer who hasn't yet shown the absolute genius that the other two have demonstrated at times on their careers but has been devouring good off-form players left and right since his ascent a few months ago.
Intriguing group. I don't watch much SC anymore but group B looks very interesting to say the least.
On July 09 2011 01:53 hacklebeast wrote: With the exception of sea to group c, I would root for anyone in that group to get out of any other group. I like em all.
And lol that hyuk is going to get into the round of 8 again
I can't remember, is the Ro8 like MSL ro8 (seeds based on kespa rank) or msl ro16 (a1plays d2, b1 plays c2 ect)?
The first place of a group plays the second place of a different group in a random draw
Good to see that there are only 2 teamkills, with STX (modesty Hyvaa) and SKT1 (Fantasy, Soo) The first match of the Ro16 is a SKT1 teamkill with Fanta....eugh I hope he can put in together for the individual leagues. His form was solid after the last OSL until round 6 of PL where he has just fallen apart and looked so so so bad with many games becoming part of the "Fantasy GG Timing" thread.
Side Note: Can you imagine if Bisu had not underestimated Hyvaa and gotten this group in the Ro16?? vZ Revolutionist would have put on some exciting games ...sigh T.T
On July 09 2011 02:08 Xiphos wrote: Pardon all JB fans but I am doubting REALLY hard that he is making out of that group alive.
Have you SEEN him play recently?
Yes but I have also seen him playing 2.5 years ago as the guy that fought against Bisu for Protoss supremacy and the him afterward (yeah, you know what I am talking).
On July 09 2011 02:14 GhoSt[shield] wrote: Can you imagine if Bisu had not underestimated Hyvaa and gotten this group in the Ro16?? vZ Revolutionist would have put on some exciting games ...sigh T.T
It's in the spirit of endlessly denying possible SL Bisu vs Jaedong games.
Someone had their troll face on when making group D! hahaha
I hope Killer makes it out of his group, but he has the Jangbang to take out and of course Jaedong. I want to see Stork do well too! ahh these brackets are nice and spread out
I actually think Hydra is the favorite to sweep his group 3-0. He's in great form while Stork and Shine have been sucking and Flash isn't getting much practice.
I also think Jangbi will 3-0 his group. JD should 3-0 or at least 2-1 his group but you never know with ZvZ. Group 1 is impossible to predict.
LOL Group D, Jaedong's worst nightmare at the moment given his tendency to drop out of starleagues because of ZvZ.
Stork is in a nightmare group given his current condition. He's against Shine, who's foiled him in the past, Flash, who has a wrist problem but is still Flash, and Hydra, who's solid. As much as I cheer for Stork, I can't see him getting out. I can see Flash/Hydra both getting out though. :[
I so want Stork to make it out. Flash should make it any way, wrist or not, he's still Flash. And I don't want Hydra to either ZvZ kill or fail miserably against Flash in the (semi)finals or both.
How are the Ro8 matchups decided? Is it based on Kespa rank or is it something like the top player from group A facing against the player that comes in 2nd place in group B?
On July 09 2011 04:31 DarkMatter_ wrote: How are the Ro8 matchups decided? Is it based on Kespa rank or is it something like the top player from group A facing against the player that comes in 2nd place in group B?
The latter case.
Also pretty lulzy groups. I'm excited for B, but it's pretty meh otherwise.
Hydra vs BaBy (this might get even) Jaedong vs JangBi (looking at the KESPA rankings, this match is inevitable no matter which players pass, which makes me a sad panda) :///////////
Semis Flash vs Fantasy (I don't think a injured Flash can beat Fantasy in a BO5) BaBy vs Jaedong
No way is Fantasy beating Jaedong in a Bo5. Oov's fancy builds and all the preparation in the world won't be enough to make up for the fact that Jaedong's ZvT is like a hundred times better than Fantasy's TvZ.
I don't wanna be the kind of person who blames losses on an injury, but I'm genuinely worried about Flash's wrist and resulting lack of practice, I hope it won't end up being an issue this OSL.
On July 09 2011 04:57 DarkMatter_ wrote: No way is Fantasy beating Jaedong in a Bo5. Oov's fancy builds and all the preparation in the world won't be enough to make up for the fact that Jaedong's ZvT is like a hundred times better than Fantasy's TvZ.
So true. That being said, let's see first if JD and Fantasy can make it out of their groups...
On July 09 2011 04:57 DarkMatter_ wrote: No way is Fantasy beating Jaedong in a Bo5. Oov's fancy builds and all the preparation in the world won't be enough to make up for the fact that Jaedong's ZvT is like a hundred times better than Fantasy's TvZ.
While it's true that Fantasy's TvZ is way worse than JD's insane ZvT one must remember what a big difference there is between normal Fantasy-play and the Fantasy that comes prepared to Bo5s in Starleagues. He's pushed both JD and Flash to a Game 5 and has beaten both Stork and Bisu 3-0 in a very dominant fashion. I would hold JD as a favourite, but I wouldn't say Fantasy doesn't have a chance.
On July 09 2011 04:57 DarkMatter_ wrote: No way is Fantasy beating Jaedong in a Bo5. Oov's fancy builds and all the preparation in the world won't be enough to make up for the fact that Jaedong's ZvT is like a hundred times better than Fantasy's TvZ.
So true. That being said, let's see first if JD and Fantasy can make it out of their groups...
Jaedong was absolutely thrown off his game when Fantasy unveiled his new build in the ONE final they played. He came back from 0-2 to win 3-2 only because Fantasy had nothing else prepared. He tried to rely on his once gimmick, and Jaedong is way too good to fall for it 3 times in a row. He goes 2 hatch muta in the subsequent games, shutting down Fantasy at the correct timing to gain the victories. Just like against Stork, Fantasy would have learned from this and will prepare more innovation and variety for another final. The fact that Jaedong is flat out better than Fantasy at the matchup isn't going to help him if Fantasy is allowed to play his game, which was exactly what happened in games 1 and 2 of the last final they played.
Hydra vs BaBy (this might get even) Jaedong vs JangBi (looking at the KESPA rankings, this match is inevitable no matter which players pass, which makes me a sad panda) :///////////
Semis Flash vs Fantasy (I don't think a injured Flash can beat Fantasy in a BO5) BaBy vs Jaedong
fantasy can't beat flash in his current form. wtf? he's been slumping and losing to everyone even after his "special training." if the two meet, flash will win.
On July 09 2011 04:57 DarkMatter_ wrote: No way is Fantasy beating Jaedong in a Bo5. Oov's fancy builds and all the preparation in the world won't be enough to make up for the fact that Jaedong's ZvT is like a hundred times better than Fantasy's TvZ.
And Fantasy hasn't beat Jaedong in more than 2 years (7 games).
Group D: Modesty and Jaedong (complete coinflip. Im not confident that Jaedong will make it out cause its all ZvZ)
I think this is quite realistic :l
I prefer as many protosses but both of them got screwed. I also want all of Group B to make it. it would make an entertaining half for the Ro8 but well shit. -_-
Yes, go ahead feel bad for Jaedong for drawing 3 zergs. It's not like he's the best ZvZer ever or anything. He loses a few in a row and "oh my god ZvZ such a coinflip; jaedong so vulnerable" bulllllllshit.
well, i guess its time to see if jaedongs zvz is back in jvz shape or not... To be honest im a bit worried about his chances considering his recent zvz preformance
On July 09 2011 10:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Yes, go ahead feel bad for Jaedong for drawing 3 zergs. It's not like he's the best ZvZer ever or anything. He loses a few in a row and "oh my god ZvZ such a coinflip; jaedong so vulnerable" bulllllllshit.
Overall, I like these groups quite a lot.
Agreed. JD has nothing to practice for but ZvZ... he's going to rape 3-0.
On July 09 2011 10:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Yes, go ahead feel bad for Jaedong for drawing 3 zergs. It's not like he's the best ZvZer ever or anything. He loses a few in a row and "oh my god ZvZ such a coinflip; jaedong so vulnerable" bulllllllshit.
Overall, I like these groups quite a lot.
Agreed. JD has nothing to practice for but ZvZ... he's going to rape 3-0.
there have been many times the last year+ where JD has been in extremely similar situations but still failed to win ZvZs in individual leagues. he lost ZvZs in the last 2 MSL semifinals, lost to hogil last OSL, etc. it's not like he's the only progamer that can practice.
Hydra and Zero are far better than Modesty/hyvaa/Hyuk. And he lost one game to Hogil, shit happens.
Yeah, it's always possible that JD can get knocked out of this Ro16, but the question is, why are people acting like that's the expected outcome? Like I said earlier, despite his supposed slump in ZvZ, he still has a 67% winrate this season, and he's still a much better player than any of the other players in his group. Jaedong going 3-0 or atleast 2-1 is still the most sensible prediction to make. And if he fails to advance, it's still considered an upset.
On July 09 2011 16:21 DarkMatter_ wrote: Hydra and Zero are far better than Modesty/hyvaa/Hyuk. And he lost one game to Hogil, shit happens.
Yeah, it's always possible that JD can get knocked out of this Ro16, but the question is, why are people acting like that's the expected outcome? Like I said earlier, despite his supposed slump in ZvZ, he still has a 67% winrate this season, and he's still a much better player than any of the other players in his group. Jaedong going 3-0 or atleast 2-1 is still the most sensible prediction to make. And if he fails to advance, it's still considered an upset.
he's the favorite but it's not nearly the same as when he was the favorite in ZvZ 2 years ago :\
I'm only suprised at the amount of people that feel JD is the underdog in his group. Yes I realize it's ZvZ, and coinflips do happen, but it's Jaedong... and 3 rather mediocre Zergs..
Shouldn't the sentiment be optimism and anticipation as opposed to lingering doubts and fears???
On July 11 2011 07:48 Grend wrote: Wow, Jaedong unlucky with a pure zvz group with his JvZ being lessened lately. Group B group of death? (Not really)
Yeah, on the surface it looks really hard but with Flash's hand, Stork's slump, and Shine, despite actually knocking Bisu out of 2 OSLs not being that good, I'd say Group A looks harder. Sea and Hiya are solid, and Fantasy gets results. glhf, soO.
EDIT: What am I smoking, Group C = Group of death.
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Fantasy, 
Stork, 
Calm, 
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