Thurs 30th June 2011. Broadcast starts at 11am KST. MBC plan on holding the Group Selection event right after the Proleague finals so the MST will be held during the play-offs.
* "Rookie" denotes a semi-pro who qualified for the prelims via the Rookie League.
* Winners of each group will progress to the MST. MST group 1 will be played on 7th July, 5pm KST. Group 2 will play on the same day at 7.30pm.
HECK YEAH Ryo, good luck with maintaining the OP when this thread gets turned into a LR one! :D I was waiting for someone else to put up the prelim list because there is no way in hell that I'm putting up a prelim list for an individual league ever again. No pressure man! :B
On June 28 2011 22:15 Spica wrote: HECK YEAH Ryo, good luck with maintaining the OP when this thread gets turned into a LR one! :D I was waiting for someone else to put up the prelim list because there is no way in hell that I'm putting up a prelim list for an individual league ever again. No pressure man! :B
Yeah, I knew you were waiting for someone else to do it. lol
I know OSL is the bigger starleague, but I really do prefer MSL's less brutal prelims due to lots of players seeded from previous round. It's much more fun to have an extra round, so if the top players drop, it will be on TV in a "fair" way.
On June 28 2011 23:40 baubo wrote: I know OSL is the bigger starleague, but I really do prefer MSL's less brutal prelims due to lots of players seeded from previous round. It's much more fun to have an extra round, so if the top players drop, it will be on TV in a "fair" way.
The MSL is truly the better league. After the OSL offline prelims only 28 players remain (Ro24 + seeds). There is way too much mayhem and way too many good players to not have a middle round there. The previous OSL method was better and meant that after the offline prelims there were 40 players left (Ro36 + 4 seeds). So you had more properly televised games and more of a chance to see good players at least advance to the Ro36. In the MSL, the MST follows the prelims and is televised and has 48 players playing, plus another 8 seeds who are waiting. So your favourite players only have to make it to the top 56 to see them in a properly televised and reasonable 4-player group format.
The other OSL problem is the random factor of the Ro8 and beyond. Remember Jaedong and Flash meeting in the OSL Ro8 a year and a half ago and the MSL final? That's because the MSL reseeds based on rank in the Ro8. OSL is as thus: all players who advanced from the Ro16 were either #1 or #2 in their group. Ro8 is random #1 vs #2, as long as they weren't in the same Ro16 group. So in that previous example, Flash was a #2 (lost to Stork) and JD was a #1. But also consider that even if Flash and JD are both #1, they can meet in the Ro4 if they are randomly on the same side of the bracket.
This "new" OSL style is of course basically the old one and this is why iloveoov and Savior failed in the prelims multiple times when they were simultaneously winning multiple MSLs. There is a far greater chance of inferior players advancing out of the giant OSL prelim groups because there are so many games played that you don't have time to properly prepare. There is a reason the MSL is nicknamed "Where Bonjwa Happens".
The MSL is better. It gets less prestige because it is newer and everyone remembers the Coca-Cola OSL. Boxer was an OSL man first and foremost even later in his career so that also helped.
tl;dr MSL > OSL because there are more televised games, an extra round after the prelims that gives the better players more chance to advance, and is less random from the Ro8 and on.
On June 29 2011 03:58 Ryo wrote: I just noticed, Frozen is not in the list. He didn't play in the OSL prelims either.
I saw him return to the A-team though. :S I'm hoping he gets to play a game against FOX, though that is unlikely. I hope he's alright, but I was already panicking when he was sent to the B-team.
On June 29 2011 02:08 Crisium wrote:tl;dr MSL > OSL because there are more televised games, an extra round after the prelims that gives the better players more chance to advance, and is less random from the Ro8 and on.
Curious: for the sake of argument, do you think this is evidence for the "Zerg era" theory that says balance has shifted to the point where Zerg is dominant in BW? If less random league -> more Zerg wins (and all-Zerg semis, etc), then at the very least there's an indication that there are more good Zerg players out there at the moment.
On June 29 2011 02:08 Crisium wrote:tl;dr MSL > OSL because there are more televised games, an extra round after the prelims that gives the better players more chance to advance, and is less random from the Ro8 and on.
Curious: for the sake of argument, do you think this is evidence for the "Zerg era" theory that says balance has shifted to the point where Zerg is dominant in BW? If less random league -> more Zerg wins (and all-Zerg semis, etc), then at the very least there's an indication that there are more good Zerg players out there at the moment.
I know this may come off as "annoying fan crying imba", but I've always believed that more rounds means more map-imba. So if one particular map works against a particular race, it's hard to overcome that in the MST, MSL group, and then likely going into the Ro16 as the lower seed, hence meaning your opponent gets to take out the map and not you.
But that's why its fun to see players like Savior overcoming all obstacles and winning MSLs against the maps.
On June 28 2011 23:40 baubo wrote: I know OSL is the bigger starleague, but I really do prefer MSL's less brutal prelims due to lots of players seeded from previous round. It's much more fun to have an extra round, so if the top players drop, it will be on TV in a "fair" way.
The MSL is truly the better league. After the OSL offline prelims only 28 players remain (Ro24 + seeds). There is way too much mayhem and way too many good players to not have a middle round there. The previous OSL method was better and meant that after the offline prelims there were 40 players left (Ro36 + 4 seeds). So you had more properly televised games and more of a chance to see good players at least advance to the Ro36. In the MSL, the MST follows the prelims and is televised and has 48 players playing, plus another 8 seeds who are waiting. So your favourite players only have to make it to the top 56 to see them in a properly televised and reasonable 4-player group format.
The other OSL problem is the random factor of the Ro8 and beyond. Remember Jaedong and Flash meeting in the OSL Ro8 a year and a half ago and the MSL final? That's because the MSL reseeds based on rank in the Ro8. OSL is as thus: all players who advanced from the Ro16 were either #1 or #2 in their group. Ro8 is random #1 vs #2, as long as they weren't in the same Ro16 group. So in that previous example, Flash was a #2 (lost to Stork) and JD was a #1. But also consider that even if Flash and JD are both #1, they can meet in the Ro4 if they are randomly on the same side of the bracket.
This "new" OSL style is of course basically the old one and this is why iloveoov and Savior failed in the prelims multiple times when they were simultaneously winning multiple MSLs. There is a far greater chance of inferior players advancing out of the giant OSL prelim groups because there are so many games played that you don't have time to properly prepare. There is a reason the MSL is nicknamed "Where Bonjwa Happens".
The MSL is better. It gets less prestige because it is newer and everyone remembers the Coca-Cola OSL. Boxer was an OSL man first and foremost even later in his career so that also helped.
tl;dr MSL > OSL because there are more televised games, an extra round after the prelims that gives the better players more chance to advance, and is less random from the Ro8 and on.
Agreed. And MSL has the energy and capability of casters they really pump up the game action.. OSL guys kinda seem half hearted, not fully into the game.
On June 28 2011 23:23 vectorix108 wrote: Iris has a pretty good chance of making it out of the group, for once. Gogo Tossgirl? Lookin' pretty good for CJ players.
On June 28 2011 23:18 Yodo wrote: ToSsGirL has it hard. Piano and Jangbi.
Please, it's not like she could even beat the rookie players.
FYI in the OSL she went 1-2 against a player who reached the finals in their group. How many wins did the amateurs get? 0, and some of them played much worse players. I think it's not out of the question that she can beat the first zerg, but since he's unknown it's hard to tell how good he actually is. That she would beat Jangbi though, that will never happen.
On June 28 2011 23:18 Yodo wrote: ToSsGirL has it hard. Piano and Jangbi.
Please, it's not like she could even beat the rookie players.
FYI in the OSL she went 1-2 against a player who reached the finals in their group. How many wins did the amateurs get? 0, and some of them played much worse players. I think it's not out of the question that she can beat the first zerg, but since he's unknown it's hard to tell how good he actually is. That she would beat Jangbi though, that will never happen.
That player was Woon. So you just kind of proved my point...
Oh man it's such a crazy experience to watch through an entire thing of these, before I'd done my first one I'd never HALF appreciated how intense and insanely compettitive Professional Brood War really is.
On June 28 2011 23:18 Yodo wrote: ToSsGirL has it hard. Piano and Jangbi.
Please, it's not like she could even beat the rookie players.
FYI in the OSL she went 1-2 against a player who reached the finals in their group. How many wins did the amateurs get? 0, and some of them played much worse players. I think it's not out of the question that she can beat the first zerg, but since he's unknown it's hard to tell how good he actually is. That she would beat Jangbi though, that will never happen.
That player was Woon. So you just kind of proved my point...
Woon is definately not a lower tier player. That's what I meant to point out. He also beat Snow, 2-1, so he can't be that bad.
On June 30 2011 03:38 djbhINDI wrote: How far in is Flash seeded? In OSL, the top 4 -> Ro16 seed, does this work the same way?
Flash is seeded into the actual MSL, the first round of which is Ro32 double-elimination group stage like the MST. He's got the 1 seed (obviously) so he basically gets to pick his opponents from the MST winners.
The long version:
The MSL has three stages: prelims, MST, and actual MSL.
Prelims are in 24 groups. 1 player advances from each group. The MST is in 12 groups of 4, each with 2 prelim winners and 2 players seeded from the previous MSL, for a total of 48. 2 winners in each group advance to the MSL for a total of 24. The 24 losers are returned to prelims. The MSL starts in 8 groups of 4, each group with 3 of the 24 players from the MST and 1 of the top 8 from the previous MSL. For the next round, the 16 winners play against an opponent from a preset group. After this round, the 8 remaining players are seeded into the MSL, and the 24 players eliminated so far are returned to prelims.
In ASCII art chart format:
MSL losers (24) ___________MSL seeds (8) | | v v prelims (24) -> MST (48) -> MST winners (24) -> MSL (32) -> Ro16 -> Ro8 ^ | | | | | | (16)<losers>(8) | |_________MST losers (24) | | | _____________________________|__________| | | | v v MSL losers (24) MSL seeds (8)
On June 30 2011 10:31 PlaySC_Yuno wrote: And who can tell me the maps..?
Round of 8: Monte Cristo, Circuit Breaker, La Mancha Round of 4: Circuit Breaker, La Mancha, Monte Cristo Finals: La Mancha, Monte Cristo, Circuit Breaker
OMFG REACH vs some zerg Mantoss got this Reach in manly teal at 5 SomeZ red at 11 Reach going with a quick forge first build Scrub is morphing his lair, and setting up his womanly 3rd at 9
Reach's probe is dancing around avoiding the lings like Womantoss would ManCore is complete, ManStargate is warping in That manprobe sees the Lair timing, as it completes, Spire aswell Citadel of Manlots is warping in
2nd gateway is warping in next to the nat nexus Sair scouts out the zerg 4th and 5th hatcherys going up at the nat and 3rd Evo and creep colony completing simcity at 9 oclock Mansairs killing the womanly overlords Scourge are out now Manlots without speed Sair takes a hit, and pops to a second Manlots streaming towards the 3rd 2 sunkens being morphed in fear of the manliess of Reach Speed completes A single brave manlot pokes in Templar archives is warping in Complete wall off at the nat by the zerg Reach is not satisfied, he wants blood
Scourge is cowering above the manlot line +1 attack is complete for the heros streaming towards the zerg player The zerg has mutas out Mansairs getting surrounded by scourge, 3 left Manlots getting the sunkens at 9 Focusing down a hatchery One of the hatcherys goes does ManArchons are out 2 more gates being warped in 3000th post for you Park Jung Suk! REACH!
2 manchons and manlots cannot decide what to do Hatchery being remade at the 9oclock Mutas taking shots at the manlots, who are weighed down by their + Show Spoiler +
huge ones
, unable to fly 3rd hatchery at the 9oclock expo Ciore is spinning 6 gateways total Mutas attacking the cannons in the main Manprobes do not run in fear THEY ARE NOT AFRAID Scourge almost get the mansairs, but they strike back forcing the mutas to flee in fright
Hydras are amassing, the womans unit 7th? gateway for Mantoss Lurkers are morphing, and it looks like a drop is getting setup Manchons using that manly lighting to greatly damage those scrubalisks Zerg is expanding to 7 oclock Manservers are out All mutas are popped to Mansairs Manlots are brave, dying to the mass of hydras at 7 Reach forced to kill a gateway of his I've lost total count
Hatchery remaking for the scrub Womanunits; goons are out for Mantoss Scrub falling for the manliest goons since tempest SCRUBALISKS FAIL to the mangoons, unable to snipe the HighManTemplars Manstorms all over the womanly hydras Only womangoons though Lings the true zergs units are amassing
No I think it's more the cameraman sparing up colective orgasms, and what's this fast CC versus Pool first with gas? 0.o uhuo or did I see the build wrong?
Skyhigh playing? Lets go -.- SH with his acadamy going up, he went for early CC it looks like 2 rax Zerg has his nat up Oh and look at that SH is 1-0? I'm not really sure how this works really o.o Drone being sent out to 12, places down a hatchery Ebay coming in now Spire is complete for the zerg
Mutalisks are out for Hitman, our zerg Acadamy flashing Marines and mutalisks playing dance with each other Stim is complete for SH Hitman losing it looked like 4 mutas for the MnM group A second MnM group moving out towards the nat, nets 2 OL's and a couple of mutas MnM group dies off to more mutas though Turrets are up 5 rax total for SH, and a factory under construction
Mutalisks take out the MnM outside of the rax, aswell as three? turrets Skyhigh has no turrets defending his production facilities Marines popping as soon as they exit the rax
On June 30 2011 11:31 X10A wrote: Skyhigh gg's You needed a valk or something Skyhigh
He needed to not lose 20 m&m by wandering around the map in two different small groups in the face of a control+ of mutas, with lings. That would have done it, really.
On June 30 2011 11:30 doothegee wrote: When I watch Skyhigh play anything other than TvT, I find relief in the fact illusion that Terran is definitely not imba in this game.
Manlots poking into the nat of this scrub again They have speed and +1 Galbi is taking a 4th? at 7 main Sairs ARE MANLY kill off 4 scourge, they face them head on Pure manliness coming off Reach Mantoss looking to take his mineral only ManNinja's are out Manlots hold the mineral only from lings DT's headed towards the 3rd at 7 nat Shuttle is out, 4 DT's! 2 hatcherys in 7 main Hydra's coming into kill off the DT's OL's die off DT's take out the hatchery, and force cancel Manly sairs! DT's slashing away the hatchery at 7 main aswell now Reach is losing his corsairs though Everything but the hatchery forming the simcity is killed at 7 oclock
Mutas in mantoss's base but not doing overlyt significant damage, reach up on 3 base vs 4 base coming up for galbi. seems like reach should be able to win this with a timing attack
Dt wrecking all the drones at the 12 oclock, while mutas counter reach's 6, reach abadoning it adn going for an attack. Then the streamers source died GG
Sairs are wounded, manprobes are standing their ground mining They will not allow these mutalisks to get in their way Galbi taking another expo at 12 oclock He has a queens nest up DT getting into 12 oclock though, nets 5~ drones Mutalisks shut down Reach's new expo at 6 oclock Reach doesn't care, hes moving towards the zerg
We're back! La Mancha Teal terran at 5 White zerg at 1 Zerg is ByungSoo Terran is Suny Both players currently on 2 base Zerg taking a 3rd at 11 Hive tech is complete, defiler mound coming up
I think thats almost an entire control group of lurkers outside of the terrans nat choke Suny trying to get vessel tech out Only has the one tank out Defilers are out Seige is complete Two tanks, trying to break out, killing a couple of lurkers... I hear the stream, I can't see it T.T
I think they're trying to remind us how much of a stomp last MSL finals was. "Flash is struggling with his wrist injury" and "Flash won the MSL 3-0 against Zero" go hand in hand
AHAAHAHH this is the most Ghetto Starcraft I've ever watched! Restream of a guy wearing a face-mask, in his underwear, pointing his camera a a 90's Crt with BW on TV
On June 30 2011 11:52 bITt.mAN wrote: AHAAHAHH this is the most Ghetto Starcraft I've ever watched! Restream of a guy wearing a face-mask, in his underwear, pointing his camera a a 90's Crt with BW on TV
And now... he plays his guitar
it's actually pretty awesome, must be pretty free living your life like that
Reach loses two goons to a mine Drop in the back on Reach's main Tank shelling the mineral only Vultures forcing probes off the line Drop gets cleaned up One last mine gets a goon I can't tell the upgrades for the players
Probes maynarding back into vulture fire 2 vultures get away from that raid, for now 6 gateways total An arbiter is out now Don't have a count on Lomo's factories CC floating down towards 6
Reach being manly and taking 11 nat Manlots run into vultures, blocking them off Reach trying to pressure 6 oclock Stasis on tanks trying to reinforce, but Arbiter goes down Dmax goon, goes down Lomo losing the buildings, CC goes DOWN Repair that Lomo Reach pulls his troops out Looks to be about 10 factories Drop behind the mineral only, and vultures running in Mines killing the goons off Drop in the main now, 1 vulture
Tons of vultures for Lomo, getting the sandwhich on Reach's goons One goon difuses tons of mines, and lives, but not for long All those goons dead Mass of vultures getting into the 11 nat Take out the cannons
Fleet beacon from Reach One stargate carriers? Enagement Reach needed a stasis on those tanks His forces are just melting away Falls back, Arbiter gets EMPed
Reach has gateways at 11 main Vultures just floating straight in Tanks are taking out 12 oclock Reach taking 5 oclock now Reach pressing 6 oclock Scvs drill Stasis on tanks, not enough it seems Arbiters go down Goons are on hold position, several melt away
Reach has a pylon setup at the corner of 5 oclock 3 oclock is up and mining for Reach, as is 11 and 11 nat Reach taking out 5 oclock Lomo is shelling 3 oclock, Vulture and tanks getting into 11 nat Reach saves 11 nat nexus, vultures get into 11 main 3 oclock holds for a few moment, tons of tanks shelling, it falls
5 nat is taken by Lomo Loses a vessel Vultures just surrounding a few goons and zealots Stasis on tanks and vultures Reach pushing the unstasised forces back I think Lomo has 3-3 Lomo is pushing back Stasis wears off Nat choke being broken into, mineral only getting shelled 12 oclock getting shelled now
5 HT just sitting behind the cannons Lair morphing now, complete Robotics warping in Spire morphing Modesty not reinforcing at Anytime's front I think hes got 6 or 7 gates First storm, kills a few hydras Sair has one hit left on it
Anytime has a nex at 12 oclock One storm, but theres still enough hydras to take out the nexus Mutas killing alot of probes at the nat mineral line They're still at it Hydras amassing, mutas snipe the HT, but all muats get popped Lurkers are morphing
On June 30 2011 12:43 Caladbolg wrote: Carriers + DTS = ultimate imba strat hahaha
I've always thought of carriers + storm as being worse. To kill DTs at that stage you just need to be paying attention. Storm lets the protoss net 4+ goliath kills with just one click, and if there are a lot of goliaths, there's not much you can do about it as a terran...
On June 30 2011 12:43 Caladbolg wrote: Carriers + DTS = ultimate imba strat hahaha
I've always thought of carriers + storm as being worse. To kill DTs at that stage you just need to be paying attention. Storm lets the protoss net 4+ goliath kills with just one click, and if there are a lot of goliaths, there's not much you can do about it as a terran...
We see it more often. But sticking to DTs means scans are gonna keep being used (and will eventually run out, giving your DTs a window of opportunity to do massive damage). I think DTs are better for defense and HTs for offense. Just me though.
Honestly I don't get carrier play in anything other that a surprise attack
If it gets scouted in any semblance of reasonable time, you're just staring at 8 shopless factories pumping out charon goliaths NONSTOP for the next 40 minutes while you struggle desperately to keep up
On June 30 2011 12:55 hauton wrote: Honestly I don't get carrier play in anything other that a surprise attack
If it gets scouted in any semblance of reasonable time, you're just staring at 8 shopless factories pumping out charon goliaths NONSTOP for the next 40 minutes while you struggle desperately to keep up
Yeah, for pure carriers.
Once you start mixing carriers with a ground army, then it becomes a real pain in the ass for the Terran to try and fight it...
Anytime D= Reach is 1-1 He can do it! Mantoss I believe! Hoejja better crush Shuttle for me CH, Best, PM, Skyhigh pull it off for me. Let me be happy after my early ass shift at work
he couldnt kill the cannon, he couldnt have elinated without drop i believe, but he could have just attacked the nexus instead of best's main (or on top of lol)
On June 30 2011 13:43 moopie wrote: Mong really did throw that away. shouldnt have kept all his goliaths at BeSt's main, didn't even try to defend and lost base after base after base.
He sent his reinforcements and after that a small group of Goliaths from his main army. That was the problem, should have kept them together. But then again, Carriers are pretty good on this map.
Mong should have locked down a single base like top right and started floating prod buildings to that base instead of letting BeSt knock out his mining.
On June 30 2011 13:46 hacklebeast wrote: Spica: Is the time delay between updates however long it takes to make a new intro, or do you have a list of these on standby?
Yeah, I make a little new sentence at the beginning on the fly, hahahah. Having a list on standby would be... rather overkill, wouldn't it lol?
On June 30 2011 14:11 erin[go]bragh wrote: Oh man, didn't someone say he'd remove his STX tag if Shuttle didn't make it through his group? He's not going to be happy!
Oh yeah, that's right...
Well, that's gonna be awkward for him. Looks like STX's losing a tag then.
This siege has lasted for like 10 minutes or more so far goddamn. I feel like I'm watching another iteration of this PvT game on GOM where the Protoss dt rushed and got deflected so many times, yet still kept sending dts, after dts after dts. This Z is doing it with Hydra Lurk Ling.
Piano is like a Terran version of Calm, nothing he does makes sense but it works quite often, and both fall apart when trying to multitask in any capacity at all
Can someone explain to me why no Z does muta switches on this map v mech? Haven't been watching a lot lately, and these two games have been full vulture tank mech.
On June 30 2011 15:19 BlackMagister wrote: Tossgirl should really just switch to Sc2. I hear Iron became pretty successful.
She might do better then but.......... She's the only female left in BW!!!! so she is repping that!!! She won't go for awhile.
You don't even see Tossgirl in tournaments or in PL. Every season it's just hoping she makes it past prelims. If you want to see a successful woman in BW look at January. If you want to Tossgirl to do well a switch or retirement is probably the best for her.
Piano forgetting to repair his CC on an expo with fresh minerals reminds me of forGG researching something seconds before his Machine Shop burnt down (and the commentators counting it down, lolz).
Lol the song on nanashin's stream ...I am not korean i live in Europe and my only connection with Korea is Starcraft.I've already got tired of this song,imagine the koreans listening to this 100 times a day.
By my count Rain, SoO, BeSt and Frotoss have all progressed. I didn't see how Ssak went.
I'm happy for one left-handed Zerg as well!
I wouldn't call just a good day, but a field day.
I like that, field day it is
I wasn't surprised about the first three given their recent form, but Frotoss was a nice bonus.
Khan are also racking up the wins today. Their youngsters are maturing quickly and displaying the talent we all knew they had. Actually, with JangBi playing the way he is, if they can get Stork in shape they'll be a real danger in the PL play-offs.
Looks like all the amateurs got eliminated so far, and I haven't seen that many with even a single game in the 'ro8'. Hardly surprising, but it rather defeats the purpose of having all those preliminaries to the preliminary :p
By my count Rain, SoO, BeSt and Frotoss have all progressed. I didn't see how Ssak went.
I'm happy for one left-handed Zerg as well!
I wouldn't call just a good day, but a field day.
I like that, field day it is
I wasn't surprised about the first three given their recent form, but Frotoss was a nice bonus.
Khan are also racking up the wins today. Their youngsters are maturing quickly and displaying the talent we all knew they had. Actually, with JangBi playing the way he is, if they can get Stork in shape they'll be a real danger in the PL play-offs.
I must have pissed off the BW gods in some manner - My favorite player of the included dropped out, FrOzen is likely to retire soon and most advancers are from the teams I like the least.
I'm really glad that Afrotoss advances, his games against Leta last year were an awesome moment ! Suddenly SKT has a new protoss, with creative builds, a incredible micro (damn that contain break vs Leta game 2 was more than Storkesque, probably pimpest PvT micro of the year), and a fucking Afro haircut !
By my count Rain, SoO, BeSt and Frotoss have all progressed. I didn't see how Ssak went.
I'm happy for one left-handed Zerg as well!
I wouldn't call just a good day, but a field day.
I like that, field day it is
I wasn't surprised about the first three given their recent form, but Frotoss was a nice bonus.
Khan are also racking up the wins today. Their youngsters are maturing quickly and displaying the talent we all knew they had. Actually, with JangBi playing the way he is, if they can get Stork in shape they'll be a real danger in the PL play-offs.
I must have pissed off the BW gods in some manner - My favorite player of the included dropped out, FrOzen is likely to retire soon and most advancers are from the teams I like the least.
Yeah, that's rough. You'll have to wait until the MST when Bisu crashes out again ignominiously - that'll cheer you up mate
On June 30 2011 17:03 BeaTeR wrote: Spica, check Group 12, it says Juni beat Bee, but Bee played in the finals, something is wrong...
Yeah yeah, I fixed it already, I'm double-checking my own work and all
Ew what a snappy tone
Thanks for all your hard work btw.
Thanks for the recognition; frantically scurrying back and forth between checking the results and posting them here isn't a leisurely task.
It's 1 AM here and I'll be very prone to making mistakes, so I'm sort of in a snappy mood...
But hellz yeah, the SKT players are doing very well! We have Sun, BeSt, Soo, Ssak, and Frotoss advancing! :D If only s2 was there to join 'em, but eh, he should focus on improving his ZvT in PL anyway. :/
By my count Rain, SoO, BeSt and Frotoss have all progressed. I didn't see how Ssak went.
I'm happy for one left-handed Zerg as well!
I wouldn't call just a good day, but a field day.
I like that, field day it is
I wasn't surprised about the first three given their recent form, but Frotoss was a nice bonus.
Khan are also racking up the wins today. Their youngsters are maturing quickly and displaying the talent we all knew they had. Actually, with JangBi playing the way he is, if they can get Stork in shape they'll be a real danger in the PL play-offs.
I must have pissed off the BW gods in some manner - My favorite player of the included dropped out, FrOzen is likely to retire soon and most advancers are from the teams I like the least.
Yeah, that's rough. You'll have to wait until the MST when Bisu crashes out again ignominiously - that'll cheer you up mate
By my count Rain, SoO, BeSt and Frotoss have all progressed. I didn't see how Ssak went.
I'm happy for one left-handed Zerg as well!
I wouldn't call just a good day, but a field day.
I like that, field day it is
I wasn't surprised about the first three given their recent form, but Frotoss was a nice bonus.
Khan are also racking up the wins today. Their youngsters are maturing quickly and displaying the talent we all knew they had. Actually, with JangBi playing the way he is, if they can get Stork in shape they'll be a real danger in the PL play-offs.
I must have pissed off the BW gods in some manner - My favorite player of the included dropped out, FrOzen is likely to retire soon and most advancers are from the teams I like the least.
Yeah, that's rough. You'll have to wait until the MST when Bisu crashes out again ignominiously - that'll cheer you up mate
TRAITOR!
Lol. I know how to cheer up my mate.
I hope I'm wrong, but I've been hurt too many times in individual league prelims/early rounds to not mentally prepare myself early.
On June 30 2011 17:11 mustaju wrote: If Canata advances as well somehow... I have to think of a bet... No more LR threads till PL playoffs are over.
Also, thanks to Spica for the work. I feel guilty for not doing my part, as i promised Ryo earlier. Work calls.
I wouldn't expect Canata to advance, he's really bad at all MUs. Frozen is probably going to go into coaching/retire soon though. He seems important to his team, so maybe he'll coach.
It wasn't played on a map he had never seen, so hyvaa didn't feel he was forced to pool 5 and he lost. (I admit he played the best game of his life in set 3 while Bisu was sloppy (sleepy?))
It wasn't played on a map he had never seen, so hyvaa didn't feel he was forced to pool 5 and he lost. (I admit he played the best game of his life in set 3 while Bisu was sloppy (sleepy?))
The 5 pool didn't win him the game, just allowed him to break even on a transition into a standard game. He won the game by dismantling Bisu's sair group (which was controlled very sloppy that game, not very bisu-like), taking out his shuttle before he could do a lot of damage and then dodging every single storm that bisu threw on his hydras.
Movie trying to end things early. Shame we didn't get to see the early game when he first started warping in his gateways - I bet the commentators were going nuts.
On June 30 2011 18:35 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Movie trying to end things early. Shame we didn't get to see the early game when he first started warping in his gateways - I bet the commentators were going nuts.
We couldn't see it anyway since the commentators were commentating HiyA vs. herO[jOin]'s game first, and Movie vs. hOn_sin's game was plopped randomly in front of them after the first game finished. :<
Jaehoon didn't practice for the OSL prelims and got knocked out. So to avoid the embarrassment of getting knocked out of MSL prelims, he asked Stats and BByong to practice with him this time.
On June 30 2011 19:04 konadora wrote: if i heard correctly, so far there are 8/8/8 P/T/Z in MSL
lol!
MSL is balanced.
Unlike the OSL... D|
And I love how the MBC commentators still sound so pumped and excited after commentating for over 8 hours. Respect! If only the OSL commentators could at least try to sound excited nowadays...
On June 30 2011 19:04 konadora wrote: if i heard correctly, so far there are 8/8/8 P/T/Z in MSL
lol!
MSL is balanced.
Unlike the OSL... D|
And I love how the MBC commentators still sound so pumped and excited after commentating for over 8 hours. Respect! If only the OSL commentators could at least try to sound excited nowadays...
On June 30 2011 19:04 konadora wrote: if i heard correctly, so far there are 8/8/8 P/T/Z in MSL
lol!
MSL is balanced.
Unlike the OSL... D|
And I love how the MBC commentators still sound so pumped and excited after commentating for over 8 hours. Respect! If only the OSL commentators could at least try to sound excited nowadays...
On June 30 2011 19:04 konadora wrote: if i heard correctly, so far there are 8/8/8 P/T/Z in MSL
lol!
MSL is balanced.
Unlike the OSL... D|
And I love how the MBC commentators still sound so pumped and excited after commentating for over 8 hours. Respect! If only the OSL commentators could at least try to sound excited nowadays...
thats why i love watching MSL
Yeah, the OSL commentators could at least humor the audience or something... They are so boring lately. -__-
On June 30 2011 19:04 konadora wrote: if i heard correctly, so far there are 8/8/8 P/T/Z in MSL
lol!
MSL is balanced.
Unlike the OSL... D|
And I love how the MBC commentators still sound so pumped and excited after commentating for over 8 hours. Respect! If only the OSL commentators could at least try to sound excited nowadays...
I know a guy who's still pumped after copy-pasting results for 8 hours :d
On June 30 2011 19:04 konadora wrote: if i heard correctly, so far there are 8/8/8 P/T/Z in MSL
lol!
MSL is balanced.
Unlike the OSL... D|
And I love how the MBC commentators still sound so pumped and excited after commentating for over 8 hours. Respect! If only the OSL commentators could at least try to sound excited nowadays...
I know a guy who's still pumped after copy-pasting results for 8 hours :d
It's because I've been staying up late these days haha
On June 30 2011 19:17 Motivate wrote: wtf is it with nanashin and this song on his stream? he's played it like 100 times
idk, i have the stream muted and playing the whitera playlist, but he does have a tendency to repeat certain kpop
don't get me wrong, i appreciate his streaming and he's easily the most stable streamer (for me anyway) but repeating the same song in a loop for 2 days straight is a bit creepy o_O
Pleased to see that lots of SKT players made it through, now to see if they can survive in the Survivor Tournament! Also pleased to see a lot of Protoss advancing to the MST. All Toss players fighting!
Thanks to Ryo for making the thread and MANY thanks to nanashin for streaming over 8 hours!
Also, Chavi vs. that one rookie Bong[S.G]'s game in Group 10's afternoon session is highly recommended if you want to see a really dumb game that will make you facepalm over 8473298478329 times. So much epic fail in that game, lmfao. There were also a few other wtf games shown today... So many "so bad it's good" moments, lol.
But fuck yeah, so proud of the SKT players who made it through the prelims! :DDD
OH SO SEXY
So which is Soo/Ssak on the right side? Damn they look really similar.
SKT is secretly making army of clones to own SPL forever...
they stole the technology from KT when they were trying to clone Flash.
SKT sent their ninjas to capture Flash as hostage and demanded KT to hand over Cloning technology or they will hurt Flash,When KT refused they damaged Flash's wrists,KT had no other choice but to hand it over.
But fuck yeah, so proud of the SKT players who made it through the prelims! :DDD
OH SO SEXY
So which is Soo/Ssak on the right side? Damn they look really similar.
SKT is secretly making army of clones to own SPL forever...
they stole the technology from KT when they were trying to clone Flash.
SKT sent their ninjas to capture Flash as hostage and demanded KT to hand over Cloning technology or they will hurt Flash,When KT refused they damaged Flash's wrists,KT had no other choice but to hand it over.
On June 30 2011 22:29 ]343[ wrote: Ryo, in the OP, maybe you should write the MSL seeds too, since there will inevitably be "where's Flash/Jaedong" type questions lol.
Results are mostly pretty expected... sad for Killer and Stats though and omg tossgirl beat the rookie
WOW: Guemchi advanced in a tough group... SKT had 5 qualifiers, hoejja is BEASTING it lately and looks like Jangbi is back in full swing... This could be an interesting MSL.
Yay Perfectman! Iris, Midas, Reach, Anytime T.T Ahh well, Lomo got crushed by Guemchi <3 Jangbi <3 Tossgirl won a set?! o.o Hoejja <3 crushed Shuttle for me
Hmm, I can't believe how close to a dream outcome these prelims have been (for someone with my preferences).
Sun, Paralyze, Best, soo, Ssak. Too bad about yjy and s2. Almost the entire SKT PL lineup is through to the MST, at least. The real rookies probably need a little more time in the oven.
Hoejja's been playing some clever BW lately so I'm glad to see him advance as well. G-chizzle is nice to see. Turn, and Bogus are strong up and coming players (terrans lol), while Jangbi's and Jaehoon's return brings much joy. Movie and Baby are pretty good players who will be fun to watch in the next rounds.
I wonder if Midas is at the twilight of his career? Or can he experience a revival? Other than those already mentioned, the only other real disappointment is Anytime missing out. But it wasn't realistic to expect him to advance int he first place.
On July 01 2011 05:50 eton7410 wrote: where is flash?
That's the 2nd one so far! Lol.
i wonder if i am just a hardcore lurker but I seemed to know how shit worked before I had 10 posts and there are people with hundreds of posts not know how this system works
On July 01 2011 05:50 eton7410 wrote: where is flash?
That's the 2nd one so far! Lol.
i wonder if i am just a hardcore lurker but I seemed to know how shit worked before I had 10 posts and there are people with hundreds of posts not know how this system works
I'm going to point your quote
To this guy ↓:
On July 01 2011 12:17 GolemMadness wrote: When does MST start?
There is an OP, but let's disregard its function.
On June 28 2011 22:06 Ryo wrote: * Winners of each group will progress to the MST. MST group 1 will be played on 7th July.
On July 01 2011 05:50 eton7410 wrote: where is flash?
That's the 2nd one so far! Lol.
i wonder if i am just a hardcore lurker but I seemed to know how shit worked before I had 10 posts and there are people with hundreds of posts not know how this system works
On June 28 2011 22:06 Ryo wrote: * Winners of each group will progress to the MST. MST group 1 will be played on 7th July.
Whoot quote train!
The OP was edited multiple times, and I'd only seen where it says that they'll be played during the playoffs. Oh no, misreading a post one time. How horrible.
On July 01 2011 14:09 Chimpalimp wrote: I'm so glad Best got in! Too bad for s2 and sun, if they got in, the whole SKT1 team would have been in. I hope for some good games to come.
Sun got in! JyJ and Larva the troll extraordinaire SKT Zerg rookie didn't though, but I guess they're not ready to move on to a bigger stage yet.
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tjmCL.jpg)
Flash, 
ZerO, 
Grape
Jun Min Ho 0-2 
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Protoss and 3 
Zerg advance to the MST
- 11
- 7
- 6![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qDGLk.jpg)
JyJ and Larva the troll extraordinaire SKT Zerg rookie didn't though, but I guess they're not ready to move on to a bigger stage yet.
