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Game
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On July 31 2011 21:24 SeptZerg wrote: Hi Game, i think i have played my 2-3 last games after it ends and i didnt saw, now im in the 106. place, i have send my replays? :\ or i cant qualfly?  Screenshots were taken at the end of the ladder, so your qualification (if so) has nothing to do with any games played past the deadline. | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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Game
3191 Posts
On August 01 2011 05:08 dRaW wrote: The mazur case seems ambiguous as did the direct quoted "tour ends at the END of July 31st" stated by your own rules(Read 30 days but also says this, which is the definition of ambiguous). Only reason I talk about mazur is because I'd rather have someone in the tour who can make B+ than someone who is C high and played D ranks just to qualify. If you notice there are about 30 or so people who didn't even qualify; kolll/alfio/karate/semih, etc and at least Mazur put in the efforts to ladder. Kolll didn't ladder because he's an invite. Anyway, if anyone actually decides they can count... 31 days, started 0001EDT June 30th, exactly 31 days later at 0001EDT July 31st the ladder closed. Btw for Europeans, 0001EDT = 0601CET. | ||
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dM-White
Chile340 Posts
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Sneazel
Poland152 Posts
On August 01 2011 06:08 dM-White wrote: btw i sended my replays i checked 1hour ago and i was on 108 but i check now and im 111 xD? regards.- u are 109  it seems smbd played some games and gain some pts - - his games will be deleted imo | ||
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dM-White
Chile340 Posts
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Game
3191 Posts
On July 31 2011 20:15 Pezsmapatkany wrote: This is how i see the situation with Mazur: Rule 6: All names must begin with ISL2. Ex: ISL2-Kaalveiten ISL2_NoOne [ISL2]Sayle. You must join the team with 0-0 stats. His name good, but he didnt joined with 0-0 first time, so admins dont accepted him he played on that acc, then transferred it, now rule says: Rule 8: Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account. No points on your account can come from an ICCup tournament. If this occurs, you will be told to reset. If you offend twice, you will be disqualified. He transferred his stats to other account, so as first offence he should reset. because he transferred he 0-0 now, so its equivalent to reset (rules dont say that u must use /clearstats to reset your account, reset only means that u will have 0-0 1000 points after), so he got his punishement and can try to join isl2 again. Also please note, that rules are not 100% clear. When an account will be your isl2 account? When u joined and accepted to isl2 team, or when u create it? If its when u create it, will u hunt down all accounts made with isl2 in its name to check if there were abused in any way to ban them from future isl events? I dont think so. Any way i think mazur is right (and even if not its 100% clear that he didnt do anything to try to cheat or abuse rules) Alright. You don't know the whole story, therefore it seems a lot more simple and innocent to you than it really is. Here are the facts: Mazur broke the ISL2 rules TEN times. Yes, 10 times. We allowed an insane amount of leniency when it came to him. First offense: Smurfing (should be ban). Sure, ok, you don't know the rules ISL2-Rahl, go make a game. Four PMs back telling us that it's a bullshit rule and that he wants to change his name to Rahl so he shouldn't have to obey the rules, he finally conceded after severely annoying the administration (multiple admins). + Show Spoiler [Smurf] + ISL2-Rahl: "It's the 2nd time I need to have to strat from 0-0 stats... I play useing a lot of name's, not only Mazur so its not fair to punish me becouse you dont know my aka's (witch i've gave you when you requested - I didnt make it a secret)" My 4th response to him (clearly frustrated here) Hello Mazur, The rules are the rules, you follow them or you don't. What you do, I do not care. Use your most known aka or don't, neither will effect my sleeping pattern over the next sixty years. Until then, you are not going to be let back into the team under the alias "Rahl". Sincerely, Kaal International StarLeague Administration First offense. + Show Spoiler [8] + [7/19/2011 3:28:22 PM] Diego Guty: denied Mazur for 8th time Then 8, count em, 8 different times after receiving a PM every time explaining that he needs to join the team with 0-0 stats (someone accidentally accepted him twice while he had stats and it was fixed within 24 hours) he failed to comply with that rule. In his fifth (yes 5th, cinco en espanol) attempt already at B rank, he transferred to a random smurf. Seventh offense. Conjugate 3 more stat having attempted team joins, and you end up at: Ten offenses. So thank you for your well written and laid out opinion Pez, but there is absolutely zero chance of him rejoining the team. P.S. an ISL2 account is an ISL2 account, there is no dictating point of ownership. If you make an ISL2 account and plan on participating in the tournament, you follow the rules. That is all, there is no "if I was in, if I wasn't." The whole point is that he wants to participate in the team and broke rules on his ISL2 account. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:48 SeptZerg wrote: I didn't saw when its end, and i played after 15-20 min my last game its doesnt count? We have all the screenshots we need. You can continue to ladder on your ISL2 accounts as you please. The only thing you cannot do regarding ISL2 accounts and stats is transfer them to or fro'. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On August 01 2011 00:31 Nb.h00ligan wrote: @ admins also ISL2-BigPio is kicked for no reason , he pm u but u NO ANSWER 1 WEEK , please pm him for that he get kick. I actually have been looking into this over the past 2 days. No one has come forward and said they kicked him, and I surely did not since I didn't log into any iCCup accounts. I did a bunch of counter abuse on him and have found absolutely nothing. He will qualify for the tournament most likely unless someone can come forward and give me a legitimate reason for kicking him. If you talk to him personally (we will also send him a PM) tell him to send me his replays so he can qualify. Thanks for pointing this out though, it was definitely an issue that needed to be addressed. The only thing I can honestly think of (happened 15+ times in ISL2) is that iccup.com is just so terribly buggy that it randomly kicks people from teams (been dealing with this in LRM) for a couple years too). | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On August 01 2011 06:08 dM-White wrote: btw i sended my replays i checked 1hour ago and i was on 108 but i check now and im 111 xD? regards.- On August 01 2011 07:43 dM-White wrote: Karate played out of time too.- http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/matchlist/2386068/1x1.html I'm not really sure how to respond to this. It's kind of insulting that you think we aren't smart enough to screenshot the standings the second the ladder ended. | ||
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Mazur
Poland478 Posts
Game the rules are not clear and if u made a mistake live with it. The rules aply to ppl in the team not to ppl that WANT to play, what more if 'when you make an ISL2 accout you are in ISL2 and must obey the rules' then the 1st decision to not accept my 5-6 game accout was unfair. And the last thing You accepted me when you saw that i've made a transfer and while I were in the team I DIDNT BREAK ANY RULES so you cant kick me for what i've done before beeing a part of ISL2 dont you think ? | ||
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Piste
6180 Posts
Give the organizers some respect for doing all this without getting paid. Foreign Brood war community isn't too big, so it's great to see someone support it. also the "most known account"-rule should be simple enough to understand | ||
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Pezsmapatkany
Hungary25 Posts
On August 01 2011 08:22 Game wrote: Alright. You don't know the whole story, therefore it seems a lot more simple and innocent to you than it really is. Here are the facts: Mazur broke the ISL2 rules TEN times. Yes, 10 times. We allowed an insane amount of leniency when it came to him. First offense: Smurfing (should be ban). Sure, ok, you don't know the rules ISL2-Rahl, go make a game. Four PMs back telling us that it's a bullshit rule and that he wants to change his name to Rahl so he shouldn't have to obey the rules, he finally conceded after severely annoying the administration (multiple admins). + Show Spoiler [Smurf] + ISL2-Rahl: "It's the 2nd time I need to have to strat from 0-0 stats... I play useing a lot of name's, not only Mazur so its not fair to punish me becouse you dont know my aka's (witch i've gave you when you requested - I didnt make it a secret)" My 4th response to him (clearly frustrated here) Hello Mazur, The rules are the rules, you follow them or you don't. What you do, I do not care. Use your most known aka or don't, neither will effect my sleeping pattern over the next sixty years. Until then, you are not going to be let back into the team under the alias "Rahl". Sincerely, Kaal International StarLeague Administration First offense. + Show Spoiler [8] + [7/19/2011 3:28:22 PM] Diego Guty: denied Mazur for 8th time Then 8, count em, 8 different times after receiving a PM every time explaining that he needs to join the team with 0-0 stats (someone accidentally accepted him twice while he had stats and it was fixed within 24 hours) he failed to comply with that rule. In his fifth (yes 5th, cinco en espanol) attempt already at B rank, he transferred to a random smurf. Seventh offense. Conjugate 3 more stat having attempted team joins, and you end up at: Ten offenses. So thank you for your well written and laid out opinion Pez, but there is absolutely zero chance of him rejoining the team. P.S. an ISL2 account is an ISL2 account, there is no dictating point of ownership. If you make an ISL2 account and plan on participating in the tournament, you follow the rules. That is all, there is no "if I was in, if I wasn't." The whole point is that he wants to participate in the team and broke rules on his ISL2 account. Thanks for answering, and you totally right, i dont know the whole story, but its your fault, i only saw that you repeating that #8 rule, which is clearly not a really valid reason. I dont understand why didnt you told these exact reasons of ban, letting many people think that the admin team is "corrupt" or whatever. Altought its not make any difference to you now, but his ban seems reasonable for me now. Thanks for enlightment. | ||
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ZaRaki_
Spain126 Posts
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saskashu
Hungary45 Posts
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Mazur
Poland478 Posts
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NbSky
Canada1023 Posts
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reps)Plumbum
Russian Federation484 Posts
And after that R064 brackets - random or what? ty | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
NVM, case dismissed. I was wondering why he was allowed to play after breaking the rules few times, now I remember (sorta). And if anyone's curious, you cannot play on smurf accounts. I.E. If I were to play on ISL2, I need to use the name AlterPrist or Alter since that's my known name on iCCup. I can't use SNM or something else that I like. And in reality, we did catch few people with smurf accounts. | ||
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