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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
June 23 2011 02:04 GMT
#1141
On June 23 2011 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 01:53 VGhost wrote:
On June 23 2011 01:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
IMO Mind was the best option for WMF's Ace. Idk why they sent out a rookie when they knew that Bisu was the most likely choice.

And what's going on with Shine? He hasn't played much at all recently and he's on a 5 loss streak -_-

And yay Bisu hope he's not beating himself up over that Roro loss, his PvZ looks fine. IMO when he learns to deal with endgame low mineral situations Bisu will begin winning even these long games when his opponent just tries to starve him out. Perhaps he needs to secure earlier 5ths/6ths etc. Like against Horang in his last PvP loss, he got mined out then too.


I'd assume they were expecting fantasy.


Expect Fantasy=send a Zerg or Terran.

Expect Bisu=send a Protoss or Terran.

Fantasy's best matchup is TvP, Bisu's is PvZ.

Mind was the best choice IMO, because he has the best chance at taking out either Fanta/Bisu. Baby could've been good too, but Mind usually is better vs Bisu than Baby is.


I agree but Fantasy is really good in TvT too.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
June 23 2011 02:14 GMT
#1142
On June 23 2011 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 01:53 VGhost wrote:
On June 23 2011 01:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
IMO Mind was the best option for WMF's Ace. Idk why they sent out a rookie when they knew that Bisu was the most likely choice.

And what's going on with Shine? He hasn't played much at all recently and he's on a 5 loss streak -_-

And yay Bisu hope he's not beating himself up over that Roro loss, his PvZ looks fine. IMO when he learns to deal with endgame low mineral situations Bisu will begin winning even these long games when his opponent just tries to starve him out. Perhaps he needs to secure earlier 5ths/6ths etc. Like against Horang in his last PvP loss, he got mined out then too.


I'd assume they were expecting fantasy.


Expect Fantasy=send a Zerg or Terran.

Expect Bisu=send a Protoss or Terran.

Fantasy's best matchup is TvP, Bisu's is PvZ.

Mind was the best choice IMO, because he has the best chance at taking out either Fanta/Bisu. Baby could've been good too, but Mind usually is better vs Bisu than Baby is.


I don't understand Wooki, for sure. It's a dilemma: I'd send RorO against fantasy but he wouldn't have beaten Bisu again. I'd send Mind against Bisu but he'd get smashed by fantasy. BaBy's the most versatile, but I'm not sure he's proven himself a dependable ace player... I just don't get it. I still think they were expecting fantasy (even with his TvP) because playing for PvP doesn't make sense to me for any team without Horang2/Shuttle.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
June 23 2011 03:14 GMT
#1143
On June 23 2011 11:04 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 23 2011 01:53 VGhost wrote:
On June 23 2011 01:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
IMO Mind was the best option for WMF's Ace. Idk why they sent out a rookie when they knew that Bisu was the most likely choice.

And what's going on with Shine? He hasn't played much at all recently and he's on a 5 loss streak -_-

And yay Bisu hope he's not beating himself up over that Roro loss, his PvZ looks fine. IMO when he learns to deal with endgame low mineral situations Bisu will begin winning even these long games when his opponent just tries to starve him out. Perhaps he needs to secure earlier 5ths/6ths etc. Like against Horang in his last PvP loss, he got mined out then too.


I'd assume they were expecting fantasy.


Expect Fantasy=send a Zerg or Terran.

Expect Bisu=send a Protoss or Terran.

Fantasy's best matchup is TvP, Bisu's is PvZ.

Mind was the best choice IMO, because he has the best chance at taking out either Fanta/Bisu. Baby could've been good too, but Mind usually is better vs Bisu than Baby is.


I agree but Fantasy is really good in TvT too.


Except when he isn't
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 23 2011 03:22 GMT
#1144
i saw the probes going to the base.. desperately hungry for minerals. but none of them made it to the destination
Aah thats the stuff..
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
June 23 2011 03:25 GMT
#1145
I got a quick question. Did Bisu's loss to RorO break his vZ elo peak? Or is it isn't a huge deal.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
nicoc77
Profile Joined June 2010
Argentina57 Posts
June 23 2011 03:51 GMT
#1146
OMG I went to sleep after Kim Taek Yong defeat. Amazing come back!!! SKT Fighting!!!
The Assassin Dagger will rise again... Kim Taek Yong HWAITING!!!
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 04:54:15
June 23 2011 03:53 GMT
#1147

I got a quick question. Did Bisu's loss to RorO break his vZ elo peak? Or is it isn't a huge deal.


According to TLPD, it has
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 23 2011 04:33 GMT
#1148
Just need 40+ points to beat Flash's vZ elo peak, it went back down though.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
June 23 2011 08:28 GMT
#1149
Seraphic, watch the spoilers please

GJ SKT
+ Show Spoiler +
Only potential downside is that Bisu will clock up less wins 'cos SKT will play less finals. Do they count the post-season in the wins count?


I remember reading an SKT interview before the season began where Bisu said his target was 20 wins. It appears he does well when he doesn't get ahead of himself ^^ Lessons for the OSL there maybe ;_;
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
June 23 2011 10:22 GMT
#1150
On June 22 2011 16:29 FractalsOnFire wrote:
SKT REVERSE KILL FUCK YEAH!!!

HOW GOOD DOES IT GET?!?!?


so, so true
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
June 23 2011 11:28 GMT
#1151
I was wondering why Baby went 14 cc in his game, I mean whats the idea behind that, how can it works at all? you hope that protoss wont scout at all or what? or that he goes 14 nex blindly as well( I am not sure at all that 14 cc > 14 nex, i think the protoss will have slight advantage here as well, coz of the presure they can impose)
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
June 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1152
On June 23 2011 17:28 Jragon wrote:
Seraphic, watch the spoilers please

GJ SKT
+ Show Spoiler +
Only potential downside is that Bisu will clock up less wins 'cos SKT will play less finals. Do they count the post-season in the wins count?


I remember reading an SKT interview before the season began where Bisu said his target was 20 wins. It appears he does well when he doesn't get ahead of himself ^^ Lessons for the OSL there maybe ;_;


No, they don't count post-season.

Bisu, officially 61 wins, actually has 63 wins including Winner's League finals.
~
vishrut
Profile Joined April 2009
United States567 Posts
June 23 2011 12:26 GMT
#1153
On June 23 2011 20:29 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 17:28 Jragon wrote:
Seraphic, watch the spoilers please

GJ SKT
+ Show Spoiler +
Only potential downside is that Bisu will clock up less wins 'cos SKT will play less finals. Do they count the post-season in the wins count?


I remember reading an SKT interview before the season began where Bisu said his target was 20 wins. It appears he does well when he doesn't get ahead of himself ^^ Lessons for the OSL there maybe ;_;


No, they don't count post-season.

Bisu, officially 61 wins, actually has 63 wins including Winner's League finals.


At the time bisu was in a major slump. most people at the time didnt think he would make it to even 20 wins.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
June 23 2011 12:49 GMT
#1154
On June 23 2011 21:26 vishrut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 20:29 Lachrymose wrote:
On June 23 2011 17:28 Jragon wrote:
Seraphic, watch the spoilers please

GJ SKT
+ Show Spoiler +
Only potential downside is that Bisu will clock up less wins 'cos SKT will play less finals. Do they count the post-season in the wins count?


I remember reading an SKT interview before the season began where Bisu said his target was 20 wins. It appears he does well when he doesn't get ahead of himself ^^ Lessons for the OSL there maybe ;_;


No, they don't count post-season.

Bisu, officially 61 wins, actually has 63 wins including Winner's League finals.


At the time bisu was in a major slump. most people at the time didnt think he would make it to even 20 wins.


I believed he said 30, not 20 (BeSt said 35 lol)

I dont know about others, but i have always believed in Bisu <3.. Though his performance did slightly exceed my expectations, haha
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46649 Posts
June 23 2011 14:37 GMT
#1155
I was honestly really surprised that SKT got bailed out of this one after all three of BBF lost.

Pleasantly surprised though
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
June 23 2011 14:43 GMT
#1156
On June 22 2011 22:18 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 16:39 Winechu wrote:
WMF = We Must Fail


Just saw that and I laughed so hard, dunno why

so true :>
POGGERS
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
June 24 2011 02:45 GMT
#1157
On June 23 2011 23:43 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 22:18 Essbee wrote:
On June 22 2011 16:39 Winechu wrote:
WMF = We Must Fail


Just saw that and I laughed so hard, dunno why

so true :>


I laughed pretty hard too. ^^
WaterTower
Profile Joined May 2011
France138 Posts
June 24 2011 18:14 GMT
#1158
ROOOOOOOROO!!

He actually went up toe to toe against the best PvZ ever on the face of any world in the Korpulu Sector (and beyond) and won! He took all the best Bisu could do without resorting to any tricks and won. I must say its among the top 5 PvZ games of all time.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 24 2011 18:21 GMT
#1159
1 more win and the finals spot is secured.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
June 24 2011 18:31 GMT
#1160
On June 25 2011 03:14 WaterTower wrote:
ROOOOOOOROO!!

He actually went up toe to toe against the best PvZ ever on the face of any world in the Korpulu Sector (and beyond) and won! He took all the best Bisu could do without resorting to any tricks and won. I must say its among the top 5 PvZ games of all time.


And on that note, for any LR-makers listening, "biased" polls are the way to go, combination of poll-maker's opinion + results of vote gives a much better idea than the bland yes/no/time option which tends to be pretty fanboy driven anyway.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
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