I was so bummed about seeing this result but at the same time I laughed pretty hard at your comment moopie which offset the bummness of zero beating jaedong

RinesOnRx

Canada74 Posts

May 27 2011 00:42 GMT

#1464

Congrats to Zero

. He definitely deserved his first individual final.
Jaedong... is looking more like a mortal than ever. Sure he played some jaw dropping games recently where he came back from impossible situations, but his game doesn't seem dominating or soilid overall as compared to his prime =(

Hoping that Hydra trolls us all by wining a consecutive MSL having already been responsible for the group Death

Xiphos

Canada7507 Posts

May 27 2011 00:45 GMT

#1465

I think in this this case, ZerO completely predicted JD's mind (Or Soulkey) because ZerO is known to play a more macro game (even though macro is pretty limited in ZvZ) and Hive play ZvZ so Jaedong want to contest ZerO with 12 Hatch every game so he would kinda of play "play-straight-up-12-hatch-vs-12-hatch" esque kind of play but ZerO (Or Soulkey) thought it through and went into different mindset in-game.

However 9 Pool vs 12 Hatch is still up in the air as to who would win. If 9 Pool is successfully fend off by a 12 Hatch, the player that fast expanded would have that additional hatchery advantage (watch ZerO vs Jaedong Ace match). So this showed that ZerO not only thought ahead (or Soulkey...lol) of Jaedong but he also outplayed him in-game as well.

As a ZerO fanboy, today has been a great day. I will patiently wait for a ZerO vs Flash final. I know that many would expect Flash to go for some early timing pushes that will not allow ZerO to go to Hive game which he excels at. But As we saw today, ZerO (Or Soulkey *sigh* tired of typing this) have the ability to play mind games as well. Zero will go for some 2 base Lurker drop timing into Flash's main and stuff like 4 pool and proxy Hatchery plays. I sincerely hope that the prince will finally be crowned after all those years.

Herry

England681 Posts

May 27 2011 00:57 GMT

#1466

Thing is Zero has only played one other game non ZvZ game in this whole tournament in the group stages. Will his ZvT really be up to the standard of Flash?

NicksonReyes

Philippines4431 Posts

May 27 2011 01:03 GMT

#1467

Just finished watching the vods. All I can say is that JD was way too much predictable with his one and only ZvZ build. Imo his micro is still good, but he made a lot of bad decisions.

swanized

Canada2480 Posts

May 27 2011 01:19 GMT

#1468

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY

aupstar

Australia912 Posts

May 27 2011 01:32 GMT

#1469

On May 27 2011 09:02 zenMaster wrote:
You better go all the way Zero! It's would be pretty shitty to have Hydra win twice in a row, and I don't want to see Flash winning another title, ever!

So many Flash haters...he didn't even play in this game...get over yourselves..he deserves everything he achieves.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

May 27 2011 01:34 GMT

#1470

However 9 Pool vs 12 Hatch is still up in the air as to who would win. If 9 Pool is successfully fend off by a 12 Hatch, the player that fast expanded would have that additional hatchery advantage (watch ZerO vs Jaedong Ace match). So this showed that ZerO not only thought ahead (or Soulkey...lol) of Jaedong but he also outplayed him in-game as well.

The more likely explanation would be that a aggressive 9poolspeed build isn't really all that good on that map because of the incredibly long rush distance. The initial 6 lings would still get there early because of the timings involved in the opening, but reinforcing lings would take forever to reach the opponent's natural. Those scenarios where the 12hatch Zerg is fending off the 9poolspeed lings but then crumbling when the 9pool's speed kicks in wouldn't happen, or at least not as powerfully as it would in other maps. Even if you do the 9poolexpo build, if you fail to do significant damage against 12hatch then you're going to be very behind anyway, as you'll be at a larva disadvantage AND a tech disadvantage.

9poolexpo in ZvZ is a difficult build to use. It only really excels against 12hatch, and because of this I'd say that it's just as risky as 12hatch or even riskier. The fact that Zero used this build on that map shows just how confident he was in that Jaedong would 12hatch again. He guessed perfectly.

Jragon

Australia1471 Posts

May 27 2011 01:40 GMT

#1471

Dammit JD

On May 27 2011 08:50 Release wrote:

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MY GOD is jaedong stubborn. Maybe he thought 12 hatch as the best option, but just looking at this, so fucking stubborn.

Much is made of JD's vaunted mental strength that makes him such a formidable BoX opponent, and there's no doubt this is true; JD doesn't tilt, JD gets clutch. This mental fortitude allows JD to stick to his guns and his builds under pressure, but it is increasingly apparent it is coupled with stubbornness. JD will not be cowed by his opponents, and he will win his way. Against Flash in the Finals where Flash went 14cc every time, against Sea on Airliner where he battered him with mutas but refused to transition, and again tonight, JD has cost himself. A champion player who has dominated for years, JD's opponents have received unrivalled viewing of not only his skills, but his psyche. Largely unable to match his skills, they're now attempting to exploit the predictability born of his obdurate mindset. Flash has taken advantage of this, and now so has Zero. To regain his edge, JD needs to make use of his immunity to fear to make the best judgments, stop being predictable, adapt to his opponents' play, and stomp them down where they belong.
Aside from this, it also clear JvZ is not what it was. In the one game with even BOs, JD lost the muta fight.

I hope JD comes back a stronger player from this. JD fighting!

Taekwon

United States8155 Posts

May 27 2011 01:41 GMT

#1472

Zero finally made it! He deserved it.

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

May 27 2011 01:50 GMT

#1473

I haven't been this happy since Stork advanced to the finals. ZerO is definitely my third favourite player after TaekBang.

Geniuszerg

Canada454 Posts

May 27 2011 01:52 GMT

#1474

...OMG WTF HAPPENED!!! i come here to check the score since i didnt have time to watch it live.. and all i see is jaedong losing.. in ZvZ.. AGAIN? COMEON JAEDONG!!!

Quarz

448 Posts

May 27 2011 02:18 GMT

#1475

JD should really train muta control. His Muta control is average. Every Good Zerg has better Muta control than JD. He should have won set 3. TBH i think he preparation against Zer0 was pretty poor. It seems that every oppenent he faces in the advaned round is better prepared. He lost 3 times now in the ZvZ Semis, thats pretty bad. Flash would't loose 3 TvT semi.

the bruvler

16 Posts

May 27 2011 02:47 GMT

#1476

gustavohmp

Brazil139 Posts

May 27 2011 02:49 GMT

#1477

On May 27 2011 11:18 Quarz wrote:
Flash would't loose a TvT

Fixed for you.
Nah just kidding, I bet JD though he could ride on his awesomeness and ZvZ shenanigans to reach the finals, were he expected to face Flash.
Its the only answer I can find for why his ZvT is "perfect" (I dont agree on the slightest) and his ZvZ/P is lacking.
Seriously in his game against Bisu on PL I though Jaedong had just give up progaming. Bisu completely dominated him and he did NOTHING. Mad props for Bisu, but when he loses against Zero (a player who is really good but not much on his list of achievements) and dominates Jaedong (considered by most the best modern Zerg), something is wrong in the universe, because thats just not possible.
Im not really a fan of Jaedong but I expected more from him. Never mind that, I hope he helps Flash in his upcoming match because Hydra is hitting with full strength.

phantem

United States163 Posts

May 27 2011 03:26 GMT

#1478

i was really sad to get up this morning and see this result, i really wanted a flash/jaedong finals so that regardless of who won it would be the third msl title.