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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
May 26 2011 10:28 GMT
#1201
wow, i get back and turn on the stream and i see zero speaking

aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 10:29:22
May 26 2011 10:28 GMT
#1202
On May 26 2011 19:27 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:24 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:22 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
it's such a sad day for bw today zero isn't even better than calm lol


Maybe you are drunk, but zero's macro is way superior than clam. Clam seems to only know how to all-in.


calm has way better mind games and micro, also he would probably never lose 9pool speed vs 12hatch on close spots
macro almost doesn't exist in bw zvz lol 95%+ of the games are micro intensive and short

Woot? O_O

OH LOL! I missed the ''ZvZ'' part! I thought you said macro doesn't exist in BW overall. XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 10:29:59
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1203
On May 26 2011 19:24 Malinor wrote:
This is simply not the Jaedong anymore we all know. His Bo5 prepartion for a zvz consists of 4x 12hatch? What happened to all those cute little builds he used to perform, like 10hatch with extractor trick (OSL finals vs Luxury). A very deserving loss.

Zer0 played fantastic today, all props to him. His zvt is beautiful. When he gets his shit together for once, he is a very dangerous opponent for Flash.

You know, it reminds me of some boxing matches I watched, when a crown champion gets beaten with a rookie just because he didn't bring anything new into his style, he was solved and stagnated relying on his superior mechanics and skill, but he was outplayed just like any champion will be sooner or later if you do not constantly evolve. Sorry JD, the time has come eventually. I'm sure JD will do well, he won't go into a slump, and we shall see epic games from him, but there won't be many anymore.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1204
On May 26 2011 19:27 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:26 ReketSomething wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:24 doothegee wrote:
Zero habla:

"I always lost BO fights in ZvZ, so I let Soulkey choose all the builds for me this time."
"I didn't feel Game 3 went too well, but I think Jaedong made a mistake and I capitalized."


Soulkey imba wtf.

Woongjin imba. those 2 together are unstoppable.

So Soulkey suggesting 3 x 9 pool being imba? Sorry but that seems more like luck to me.
This is our town, scrub
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1205
On May 26 2011 19:25 opsayo wrote:
... But you can't really do anything against those bigger bo disadvantages

well, you could not be so greedy and try to 12 hatch every time.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1206
On May 26 2011 19:27 GTR wrote:
i think zero is the first woongjin player to a finals since ggplay in 07?
I thought GGplay was in CJ when he won Daum OSL?
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Piekny
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland95 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1207
Ehh. I'm gonna go console myself eating cup noodles.
Cres
Profile Joined November 2008
United States227 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1208
Zero's play against Calm was probably more outstanding than his play against Jaedong (GAME FOUR). But I think both these matches attest to Zero's better mental strength (ie. coming back from disadvantage when he was about to be eliminated, and not letting losing from an advantage affect the game after that even though there was no break in between).

Although Zero had BO advantage/brain advantage (game3) in all games, I still think it was a really good series by Zero and not so much of a bad series by Jaedong.
Fae
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1209
Zero vs Hydra finals let's go!
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1210
Horrible games. 4 12 hatches wtf is that JD? Seriously I'm so fucking pissed right now that the best ZvZer in the land just lost to Zero, who, while he is a great player, is an extremely average zvzer.
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1211
On May 26 2011 19:27 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:24 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:22 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
it's such a sad day for bw today zero isn't even better than calm lol


Maybe you are drunk, but zero's macro is way superior than clam. Clam seems to only know how to all-in.


calm has way better mind games and micro, also he would probably never lose 9pool speed vs 12hatch on close spots
macro almost doesn't exist in bw zvz lol 95%+ of the games are micro intensive and short


I am pretty sure ZvP and ZvT do require macro.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
May 26 2011 10:29 GMT
#1212
God just hates whoever I go for in any sport/e-sport.
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#1213
On May 26 2011 19:26 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:22 disciple wrote:
I cant believe ppl consider Flash such a heavy favorite against Hydra. He is playing a tvz against a CJ zerg.


Why shouldn't the greatest TvZer in the history of BW not be a heavy favorite over someone who has had mediocre results in ZvT?

Since when is 57% winrate ZvT mediocre?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
May 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#1214
People saying Zero would have no chance against Flash have clearly never even seen Zero play against Flash. If it comes to pass, it will be an awesome, close series.
Zero fighting.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#1215
It's a good day to be a woongjjin fan
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
May 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#1216
On May 26 2011 19:29 Existential wrote:
God just hates whoever I go for in any sport/e-sport.

Please root for Flash in the finals
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 10:30:40
May 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#1217
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225898#18

On May 24 2011 05:06 doothegee wrote:
(Z)ZerO Dante's Peak SE (Z)Jaedong
(Z)ZerO Circuit Breaker (Z)Jaedong
(Z)ZerO La Mancha (Z)Jaedong
(Z)ZerO Monte Cristo (Z)Jaedong
(Z)ZerO Dante's Peak SE (Z)Jaedong

I can dream, can't I?
Voting Jaedong though lol



whaaaaaa
I should buy a lottery ticket.
웅진 멘쓰즈
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
May 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#1218
On May 26 2011 19:28 blue001 wrote:
Zero outplayed jaedong.. I don't think jaedong will be winning another title. Too many beatdowns by flash

Oh, did you watch some different games?

So many people spouting nonsense, it's so annoying -_-
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
May 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#1219
Half-ass translation:

+ Show Spoiler +

<Wala> he says
<Wala> unbelievable
<Wala> 'you must feel great, you were smiling near the end'
<Wala> tried to focus but I couldn't bear it
<Wala> your first finals appearance
<Wala> what have you done to prepare both mentally and physically
<Wala> people always judged me as a top player but I couldn't make it to the finals
<Wala> took me ~2.5 years to get the skill
<Wala> for this I especially prepared mentally, getting my nerves under control
<Wala> how'd you prepare vZ, you were notoriously weak
<Wala> I always lost zvzs due to bos
<Wala> I trusted SK with everything
<Wala> LOL
<Wala> 'I couldn't really trust SK'
<Wala> 'but it worked out'
<Wala> LOOOL
<Wala> what did you think most
<Wala> I couldn't hear
<Wala> I mean
<Wala> 'you held the record for shortest game time loss ever, what did you do o prepare mentally
<Wala> 'I couldn't hear after loss due to shock would you repeat please
<Wala> last words, maybe to the coahces or fans
<Wala> I'll make this first finals appearance a memorable one.
<Wala> and for my teammates to do as well.
<Wala> Flash or Hydra?
<Wala> I'm prepared vZ, since I've been playing since ro16.
<Wala> I want to go against Flash to prove my vT as well.
<Wala> last words
<Wala> generic thanks.
<Wala> LOL
<Wala> I look better in RL than on tv
<Wala> so please cheer me on at the live event.
Stuck.
Jonvvv
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Norway1530 Posts
May 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#1220
I'm glad ZerO finally managed to defeat a zerg in the later stages of a Starleague. I want a crazy ZerO-SoulKey interview now!

Games are now added to the TLPD, and Jaedong is close to drop from top3 ELO.
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