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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
May 19 2011 02:06 GMT
#81
hopefully Grape can play as well as Snow did last season and give us an epic series
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
May 19 2011 02:10 GMT
#82
On May 19 2011 11:06 3 Lions wrote:
hopefully Grape can play as well as Snow did last season and give us an epic series


Snow had some mad multitasking/aggression/mechanics and abused the mid-game fragility of a drone-spamming JD.

Grape...will be lucky if he doesn't get 3-0'ed.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
May 19 2011 02:40 GMT
#83
On May 19 2011 11:10 ymir233 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 11:06 3 Lions wrote:
hopefully Grape can play as well as Snow did last season and give us an epic series


Snow had some mad multitasking/aggression/mechanics and abused the mid-game fragility of a drone-spamming JD.

Grape...will be lucky if he doesn't get 3-0'ed.


This is true... frickin JD's greed... only he would counter a proxy rax with more drones
Jaedong and Baby
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 19 2011 02:52 GMT
#84
On May 19 2011 11:40 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 11:10 ymir233 wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:06 3 Lions wrote:
hopefully Grape can play as well as Snow did last season and give us an epic series


Snow had some mad multitasking/aggression/mechanics and abused the mid-game fragility of a drone-spamming JD.

Grape...will be lucky if he doesn't get 3-0'ed.


This is true... frickin JD's greed... only he would counter a proxy rax with more drones

....That wasn't greedy at all. He did that because he saw that Reality took gas and was getting factory so any bunker rush could be held off with drone only. It's like when Flash does depot scout into CC first upon seeing 12hat on maps like Benzene. You're just properly reacting to what you see.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
May 19 2011 03:06 GMT
#85
On May 19 2011 11:52 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 11:40 Yxes2211 wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:10 ymir233 wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:06 3 Lions wrote:
hopefully Grape can play as well as Snow did last season and give us an epic series


Snow had some mad multitasking/aggression/mechanics and abused the mid-game fragility of a drone-spamming JD.

Grape...will be lucky if he doesn't get 3-0'ed.


This is true... frickin JD's greed... only he would counter a proxy rax with more drones

....That wasn't greedy at all. He did that because he saw that Reality took gas and was getting factory so any bunker rush could be held off with drone only. It's like when Flash does depot scout into CC first upon seeing 12hat on maps like Benzene. You're just properly reacting to what you see.


I know haha, i read JDs explanation in the interview

It just seems kinda counter intuitive to build a late pool when u have a rax outside
Jaedong and Baby
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 19 2011 03:13 GMT
#86
On May 19 2011 12:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 11:52 Harem wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:40 Yxes2211 wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:10 ymir233 wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:06 3 Lions wrote:
hopefully Grape can play as well as Snow did last season and give us an epic series


Snow had some mad multitasking/aggression/mechanics and abused the mid-game fragility of a drone-spamming JD.

Grape...will be lucky if he doesn't get 3-0'ed.


This is true... frickin JD's greed... only he would counter a proxy rax with more drones

....That wasn't greedy at all. He did that because he saw that Reality took gas and was getting factory so any bunker rush could be held off with drone only. It's like when Flash does depot scout into CC first upon seeing 12hat on maps like Benzene. You're just properly reacting to what you see.


I know haha, i read JDs explanation in the interview

It just seems kinda counter intuitive to build a late pool when u have a rax outside

The whole point of the proxy rax was so that it could be lifted and trick JD into thinking that Reality was going mech while Reality just pumps off of 5rax vs an army comp that has no chance of beating it.

So many layers of depth and genius to what Reality did that game. Can't really do it enough justice.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
May 19 2011 03:58 GMT
#87
On May 19 2011 12:13 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 12:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:52 Harem wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:40 Yxes2211 wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:10 ymir233 wrote:
On May 19 2011 11:06 3 Lions wrote:
hopefully Grape can play as well as Snow did last season and give us an epic series


Snow had some mad multitasking/aggression/mechanics and abused the mid-game fragility of a drone-spamming JD.

Grape...will be lucky if he doesn't get 3-0'ed.


This is true... frickin JD's greed... only he would counter a proxy rax with more drones

....That wasn't greedy at all. He did that because he saw that Reality took gas and was getting factory so any bunker rush could be held off with drone only. It's like when Flash does depot scout into CC first upon seeing 12hat on maps like Benzene. You're just properly reacting to what you see.


I know haha, i read JDs explanation in the interview

It just seems kinda counter intuitive to build a late pool when u have a rax outside

The whole point of the proxy rax was so that it could be lifted and trick JD into thinking that Reality was going mech while Reality just pumps off of 5rax vs an army comp that has no chance of beating it.

So many layers of depth and genius to what Reality did that game. Can't really do it enough justice.

I agree. That game will be the seminal zero-level start of what I see as Reality's career.
Watch out for that kid!



DONGJWA!
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
May 19 2011 04:01 GMT
#88

5 FUCKING HOURS TO GO!!!
ARE YOU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEADYYYYY!!!


DONGJWA!
FakePlasticLove
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States357 Posts
May 19 2011 04:11 GMT
#89
Mind Mind Mind for MSL championship
All walls are great if the roof doesn't fall
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
May 19 2011 04:15 GMT
#90
He does not lose random matches to some random player like Ssak or Classic.
Nice analysis, but I'd like to remind you that while he didn't lose to random players he lost to bogus players.
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GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 04:49:45
May 19 2011 04:34 GMT
#91
On May 19 2011 13:15 mnesthes wrote:
Show nested quote +
He does not lose random matches to some random player like Ssak or Classic.
Nice analysis, but I'd like to remind you that while he didn't lose to random players he lost to bogus players.

Read it again please.
I meant to compare there JD's strong MU in PvZ to Flash's TvT, implicitly, in individual leagues.
When was the last time JD was taken out of and individual starleague by a protoss?

DONGJWA!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 19 2011 04:48 GMT
#92
GG. NoRe can you respond to someone who disagrees with you without directly insulting them? You don't have to get fired up and mean everytime.
Remember Violet.
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
May 19 2011 04:51 GMT
#93
On May 19 2011 13:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:
GG. NoRe can you respond to someone who disagrees with you without directly insulting them? You don't have to get fired up and mean everytime.

okay. but please be reasonable in disagreeing and dont just do it out of nothing
DONGJWA!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 04:54:44
May 19 2011 04:53 GMT
#94
I didn't even disagree, the last time I can remember Jaedong losing to an unknown protoss was to Han in MST qualifiers a couple of years ago, so on that specific point of his PvZ vs Flash's TvT there's nothing to really disagree with. That said, it's very easy to question Jaedong's PvZ as of late and assume he might not sweep.

I just don't think you should call someone ignorant or say they can't read and sarcastically say "Amazing!" etc etc.
Remember Violet.
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
May 19 2011 04:58 GMT
#95
On May 19 2011 13:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I didn't even disagree, the last time I can remember Jaedong losing to an unknown protoss was to Han in MST qualifiers a couple of years ago, so on that specific point of his PvZ vs Flash's TvT there's nothing to really disagree with. That said, it's very easy to question Jaedong's PvZ as of late and assume he might not sweep.

I just don't think you should call someone ignorant or say they can't read and sarcastically say "Amazing!" etc etc.

Where is "Amazing"? :p Again I was refering to individual leagues. His ZvP loses come from PLs, but in BoX he is a monster. Only Bisu can rape him silly. Yet, last time they met BoX, JD won 3-2!
DONGJWA!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 05:12:12
May 19 2011 05:11 GMT
#96
You edited the "Can't you read? Amazing!!" out of the post directly before my post where I asked you to stop being mean.

Also, Bisu has lost the bo1, bo3, and bo5 he's played against Jaedong in individual leagues, so I wouldn't be too trigger happy on saying he could beat Jaedong in a BoX. I assume Jaedong turns it up in individual leagues since you can prepare moreso in those than in proleague.
Remember Violet.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 19 2011 05:13 GMT
#97
Every progamer has their bad days, when they lose matches they really shouldn't under normal circumstances, I don't see why theres a need to argue about it. I get being hyped around JD, but I don't think anybody here called him bad in the first place, so there's no need to be defensive here.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
May 19 2011 05:14 GMT
#98
On May 19 2011 14:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You edited the "Can't you read? Amazing!!" out of the post directly before my post where I asked you to stop being mean.

Also, Bisu has lost the bo1, bo3, and bo5 he's played against Jaedong in individual leagues, so I wouldn't be too trigger happy on saying he could beat Jaedong in a BoX. I assume Jaedong turns it up in individual leagues since you can prepare moreso in those than in proleague.

Well if its not there anymore, its not meant to be there. No need to dwell on it
In the same vein, Jaedong has beaten any protoss he meets at BoX in individual leagues. Point Im saying is among any of them, only Bisu has a legitimate shot at winning against JD.

DONGJWA!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
May 19 2011 05:24 GMT
#99
I'm only hoping for good games,and grape to put up a fight.

stupidly onesided games are boring.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 05:32:58
May 19 2011 05:25 GMT
#100
On May 19 2011 14:14 GG.NoRe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 14:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You edited the "Can't you read? Amazing!!" out of the post directly before my post where I asked you to stop being mean.

Also, Bisu has lost the bo1, bo3, and bo5 he's played against Jaedong in individual leagues, so I wouldn't be too trigger happy on saying he could beat Jaedong in a BoX. I assume Jaedong turns it up in individual leagues since you can prepare moreso in those than in proleague.

Well if its not there anymore, its not meant to be there. No need to dwell on it
In the same vein, Jaedong has beaten any protoss he meets at BoX in individual leagues. Point Im saying is among any of them, only Bisu has a legitimate shot at winning against JD.



No he hasn't. He's lost to Free and Han like I mentioned. Also Stork if you count WCG.

Bisu is an enormous choke in recent years in individual leagues, even against zergs. I'd give Movie the best shot at upsetting Jaedong in a best of series (Snow almost did it with CJ's preparation and he is nowhere near as good as Movie in the matchup). Bisu is a close #2 and would be #2 if he didn't keep failing out of MSL/OSL =\
Remember Violet.
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