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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
May 10 2011 07:05 GMT
#461
Stork is officially slumping now.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 07:12:12
May 10 2011 07:07 GMT
#462
aghhhh damn you thermo problem set. You made me miss Hyun 2-0'ing Stork...

I love the random and unexpected fashion in which Hyun delivers results. Sad to see Sea lose, but it's great to see MBC win in spite of it. Also I'm glad to see MBC not playing Saint. He is just hopeless lately, and is not nearly as loveable as Jaehoon.
BreakerD
Profile Joined March 2010
United States159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 07:09:06
May 10 2011 07:08 GMT
#463
IMO If stork wouldve stayed home continue producing z's, built some more canon, and got some storms he would've won. There was no drones mining at 3rd.

I think stork plays great but lacks game sense in pvz.
metzninja
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand626 Posts
May 10 2011 07:13 GMT
#464
On May 10 2011 15:57 Turbovolver wrote:And for the people saying "not enough scouting information", it's not like Stork wasn't trying to scout. I guess he could've sent out 2 probes?

How annoying though, having to send out 2 probes every damn PvZ just to make sure it's not 3 hatch hydra


Agree with all your other points, though Stork did send two probes. The initial scout was chased off after not spotting a lair (and not spotting the hydra den at the nat iirc) and a second was sent. The second one definitely spotted the den but I guess he still hadn't confirmed whether it was fake or all-in. Maybe he needed to get into the third and spot that it wasn't mining.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
May 10 2011 07:16 GMT
#465
damn, hyun killing my fpl
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
May 10 2011 07:16 GMT
#466
beat stork twice eh.. nicely done.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
May 10 2011 07:21 GMT
#467
i never would have imagined hyun would be the reason khan loses
( ・´ー・`)
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
May 10 2011 07:23 GMT
#468




Hahaha, Stork's zealot speed timing was fine, that's not the key at all. And it's not like scouting with the corsair is some magic thing that only Bisu does, any Protoss who doesn't scout with the 1st corsair gets routinely called a scrub on TL.
Stork also knows how many cannons to make (vs hydra all-ins, I mean... not against JD lings apparently >.>), but he was worried about another fake hydra all in and thus he built a few extra cannons but also a few extra gateways. If he commits purely to cannons he probably wins that game, but he also probably loses the one where it was a fake and Zerg is soon on 4 droned-up bases.

And you can't "attack the 3rd with impunity while teching to templars at the same time". If you cannon up, the Z just amasses hydras and you can't even get out without storm.


He'd have a better chance of coming back from an economic disadvantage though, than risking a Hydra all-in. The speed timing of Stork was fine (not saying it was bad), but it was too little too late cause the cannons went down while he didn't have storm yet.

I'm not saying only Bisu scouts with early Corsairs, but he's the one who does it consistently, often ignoring one or two OLs just to make sure of the Zerg's tech. That's where the sense for the matchup comes in, because sometimes Protoss just makes blind guesses on tech, instead of forcing the issue with early Zealot aggression just so there's a chance to scout with probes, Zeals, or Corsairs.

Finally, attacking the third with impunity presupposes map control with a Corsair fleet and Zealots moving around the map. If the Zerg counters, you can flank. If the Zerg chases your Zealots, you buy the time needed for Storm and Templars. Either way, you dictate the engagements. The other option would be, as you said, to cannon up, but a strong Hydra bust with a few lings takes care of that more often than not.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
May 10 2011 07:31 GMT
#469
Losing twice to Hyun lol, poor Stork, he's having some rough times.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2454 Posts
May 10 2011 07:58 GMT
#470
On May 10 2011 16:23 Caladbolg wrote:Finally, attacking the third with impunity presupposes map control with a Corsair fleet and Zealots moving around the map. If the Zerg counters, you can flank. If the Zerg chases your Zealots, you buy the time needed for Storm and Templars. Either way, you dictate the engagements. The other option would be, as you said, to cannon up, but a strong Hydra bust with a few lings takes care of that more often than not.

Exactly, it presupposes map control with a corsair fleet, neither of which you will have if you are getting 3 hatch hydra all-in'd!!! You basically just listed a whole bunch of stuff about the way Bisu plays, regurgitating it without thinking about context - but Bisu wasn't getting 3 hatch all-in cheesed in those games! There is no way to "dictate the engagements" when you FFE and your opponent goes 3 hatch hydra.

And to that other guy talking about the probe scouts, I meant sending two probes at once the second time, so that he didn't have to spend all that time running around trying to get past the lings. The two probes would take different paths to the zerg base, obviously. Or for example, one could scout the third and see no drones, and hydras hatching...

The original Bogus fan.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
May 10 2011 08:00 GMT
#471
Cheese him once, shame on you; cheese him twice, shame on him; all-in hydra bust him in the deciding ace match after already having cheesed him....+ Show Spoiler +
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Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
May 10 2011 08:02 GMT
#472
So many results here confuse me...
Yhamm is the god of predictions
onewingedmoogle
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada434 Posts
May 10 2011 08:10 GMT
#473

I think stork plays great but lacks game sense in pvz.


same description for bisu in pvt
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 08:33:19
May 10 2011 08:33 GMT
#474
Yeah MBC, always good to see them win Best logo in proleague.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 08:40:55
May 10 2011 08:40 GMT
#475
Well, damn. Stork should stop hanging out with Jangbi. ¬_¬
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
May 10 2011 08:46 GMT
#476
Hyun is ruining my FPL.... :/
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
May 10 2011 09:08 GMT
#477
Awww... Storku...

At least Jangbi won...
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
May 10 2011 09:09 GMT
#478
Hyun!!! and congrats MBC :D
need to watch the vods asap.
Learn,live and love it.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
May 10 2011 09:58 GMT
#479
Stork's PvZ never fails. Or rather always fails.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 10 2011 10:02 GMT
#480
I can say only that 3 Hatch Hydra isn't generally an all-in opening. It allows a transition and often this is successful. See especially Alone vs. Stork @ Alternative. Or ZerO vs. Stork @ Circuit Breaker @ PDPop MSL. So, stop bashing Hyun, it's a normal opening, just too bad Stork can't defend its early aggression, but it's not necessary an all-in (though it's more risky than standard 3 hatch spire)
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
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