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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
May 07 2011 07:44 GMT
#961
On May 07 2011 16:33 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 16:30 Lightwip wrote:
On May 07 2011 16:26 Tenhou wrote:
On May 07 2011 16:17 Lightwip wrote:
On May 07 2011 16:16 Holgerius wrote:
What's up with all the talk about how ggaemo should've won this easily? This is Flash we're talking about. O_o

I wouldn't say that Flash looked too great today. A zerg with decent ZvT, like Soulkey, Jaedong, Zero and the like would've probably taken him out in this game.


This is your biased opinion as you also think ggaemo could have pulled out 20 hydra and win without expecting Flash to change his troop composition.

I'm sure you have no bias either.
Nevertheless, would it really be such a good idea to keep making mutas against goliaths? It's not.

Upgraded mass muta is actually quite good vs Goliaths.



This is true. Watch Fantasy vs. Jaedong on Icarus
Jaedong and Baby
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 07:45:54
May 07 2011 07:44 GMT
#962
Let's stop bashing Lightwip, we were all idiots/noobs at one point. Bashing Lightwip leads to bashing low-level P players or Bisu fans and that leads to blanket statements that make the people who are more knowledgeable yet bashing Lightwip more foolish than he was in the first place.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 07 2011 07:45 GMT
#963
well mass mutas were the best choice by then? then maybe ggaemo needed to pick m&m's first =___= They deal basically same damage as gols but have less hp
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 07 2011 07:46 GMT
#964
On May 07 2011 16:45 _Quasar_ wrote:
well mass mutas were the best choice by then? then maybe ggaemo needed to pick m&m's first =___= They deal basically same damage as gols but have less hp

He did try to pick off mnms first in almost every engagement.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 07 2011 07:47 GMT
#965
On May 07 2011 16:38 okum wrote:
^ well explained by TL's most reasonable CJ fan

Can I be most reasonable SKT fan? n_n
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hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
May 07 2011 07:48 GMT
#966
On May 07 2011 16:45 _Quasar_ wrote:
well mass mutas were the best choice by then? then maybe ggaemo needed to pick m&m's first =___= They deal basically same damage as gols but have less hp

Well, you can't beat MnM in open combat straight up. You have to dance mutas.

Unfortunately, Goliaths with Charon tend to prevent that.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
May 07 2011 07:49 GMT
#967
On May 07 2011 16:45 _Quasar_ wrote:
well mass mutas were the best choice by then? then maybe ggaemo needed to pick m&m's first =___= They deal basically same damage as gols but have less hp


Honestly, ggaemo probably lost that game when it was 14cc vs 2 hatch play. 2 hatch play just doesn't give u the economy needed. And I think ggaemo's fate was sealed when Flash scouted the Den.

Could be wrong though, but thats my analysis
Jaedong and Baby
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
May 07 2011 07:49 GMT
#968
*Phew* what a close series for KT... At least Flash managed to clean up
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Tenhou
Profile Joined April 2011
1052 Posts
May 07 2011 07:55 GMT
#969
On May 07 2011 16:44 Murderotica wrote:
Let's stop bashing Lightwip, we were all idiots/noobs at one point. Bashing Lightwip leads to bashing low-level P players or Bisu fans and that leads to blanket statements that make the people who are more knowledgeable yet bashing Lightwip more foolish than he was in the first place.


I don't want/like to bash on people at all.

You said that we were all idiots/noobs at one point but how long has Lightwhip showed up and how have he changed from then?
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 07 2011 07:59 GMT
#970
On May 07 2011 16:55 Tenhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 16:44 Murderotica wrote:
Let's stop bashing Lightwip, we were all idiots/noobs at one point. Bashing Lightwip leads to bashing low-level P players or Bisu fans and that leads to blanket statements that make the people who are more knowledgeable yet bashing Lightwip more foolish than he was in the first place.


I don't want/like to bash on people at all.

You said that we were all idiots/noobs at one point but how long has Lightwhip showed up and how have he changed from then?

"how have he changed from then?"

I rest my case.

It doesn't matter nor should it concern you. The best way to treat a person making a fool of themselves is to ignore them not spite them, which would lead to them thinking that everyone is just a douche and miss the point that they are in fact wrong. The way he have changed will be determined after the appropriate response is given. I was a noob for a long long time, I'm sure no one here spent less than 6 months becoming B- or anything decent for that matter.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 07 2011 08:01 GMT
#971
On May 07 2011 16:45 _Quasar_ wrote:
well mass mutas were the best choice by then? then maybe ggaemo needed to pick m&m's first =___= They deal basically same damage as gols but have less hp


That's the idea behind Flash's goliath/marine build he toyed around with around 2008/2009. Marines do the heavy damage while goliaths soak damage and prevent mutalisks circling around like a pack of vultures.

Despite Flash's reputation for building no units in that period, when he didn't die from the first wave of mutalisks he would generally ruin the zerg the minute he got to the natural.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 08:30:46
May 07 2011 08:20 GMT
#972
Ya, the goliaths are basically used like mobile turrets vs the mutas.

It's a shame Flash gave up on the Goliath+MnM stuff, it's pretty sick. Some other guy did it on the same map a couple of days ago though, and now Flash used it again. Perhaps it's coming back to be used more frequently? I'd like that. A strategy good enough to make a foreign terran smash Jaedong is worth developing further methinks.

Goliath+MnM timing was actually my first thought when Zergs started doing the whole Queen thing as a response to mech. :D

Yay, Flash is back above 70% vs Zerg! ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
May 07 2011 08:32 GMT
#973
On May 07 2011 17:20 Holgerius wrote:
Yay, Flash is back above 70% vs Zerg! ^__^

Jaedong will pass him in ELO after today's MSL games though.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 07 2011 08:34 GMT
#974
On May 07 2011 17:32 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 17:20 Holgerius wrote:
Yay, Flash is back above 70% vs Zerg! ^__^

Jaedong will pass him in ELO after today's MSL games though.

Unless Reality wins a game.

+ Show Spoiler +
ROFL
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
May 07 2011 08:40 GMT
#975
On May 07 2011 17:34 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 17:32 okum wrote:
On May 07 2011 17:20 Holgerius wrote:
Yay, Flash is back above 70% vs Zerg! ^__^

Jaedong will pass him in ELO after today's MSL games though.

Unless Reality wins a game.

+ Show Spoiler +
ROFL

That much had best not really be a reality, baby.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 09:12:28
May 07 2011 09:01 GMT
#976
wrong thread
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
May 07 2011 09:05 GMT
#977
"No king rules forever, my son." King Terenas.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Cade)Flayer
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom279 Posts
May 07 2011 09:07 GMT
#978
Why do Ace keep sending out ggaemo when FBH is on form at the moment? Maybe FBH being overlooked for ace so much is contributing to his slight loss of form in the last two matches...
That boys a monster
dimitur4o
Profile Joined March 2011
Bulgaria80 Posts
May 07 2011 09:28 GMT
#979
On May 07 2011 18:07 Cade)Flayer wrote:
Why do Ace keep sending out ggaemo when FBH is on form at the moment? Maybe FBH being overlooked for ace so much is contributing to his slight loss of form in the last two matches...

agree!they should have sent FBH more then GGaemo,he is just better and is on form!
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
May 07 2011 09:47 GMT
#980
ah I fell asleep
Hopefully the stream didn't die midway or anything

Sorry guys
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
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