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[MSL] Group Selection Ceremony - Page 31

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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
April 07 2011 13:20 GMT
#601
Group D:
(Z)Jaedong vs. (T)Sea
(T)Flash vs. (P)Bisu

WTF?????????????
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
April 07 2011 13:20 GMT
#602
i love great and hydra for having the balls to do this
ace hwaiting!!
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
April 07 2011 13:20 GMT
#603
I remember Midas putting Savior into his own group. Players had balls back then. They didn't strategize in the selection ceremony. I was a fan of Hydra but this is some weak shit.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
April 07 2011 13:20 GMT
#604
On April 07 2011 22:09 538 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 22:05 Musou wrote:
On April 07 2011 22:03 538 wrote:
On April 07 2011 22:01 dibbaN wrote:
Wow.. These kid zergs should only be allowed to play in the sandbox, not the MSL.

The thing is, Great and Hydra were allowed to mix up things this much because they were the finalists of last season. Talk about kid zergs, but that group actually contains seeds 4,9,11 and 12, not that unfair if you look at it that way.

Actually that is a really unfair seed. The seed average should be around 16.5 if evenly distributed (1,32,16,17 would be ideal). That group average is 9, which is way higher than it should be.

Sure, I'm not saying its not a well above average group, but people are complaining as if it was seeds 1,2,3 and say, 7 (according to popularity). All these three star players performed sub-par last season, now they are paying the price. Hydra and great just did what bettered their chances the most, you cant blame them for not setting the stages up for the fan favourites (its not even their fans they are letting down :-p).


Except that's numbers 1,2,3, and 15 by ELO and ELO is way more accurate than "MSL seed". What Hydra and Great did was bad for the tournament. Good for themselves if all they care about is winning, but is winning really worth it if you don't go through the strongest competition? I'm always happy when good players make it through the early rounds because it makes the win that much better. What win is more impressive to you Hydra's run through MSL last season or Flash's first Bacchus run through the other 3 members of TBLS in series play.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
April 07 2011 13:21 GMT
#605
Group D, WTF!? Start the LR thread now so we can hype!!!
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
April 07 2011 13:21 GMT
#606
HOLY FUCK!!!!!! GROUP OF DEATH

Bisu 2-0
Flash 2-1

gogogogogo
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 07 2011 13:21 GMT
#607
I actually don't see Great making it out of his group either.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
April 07 2011 13:21 GMT
#608
On April 07 2011 22:20 Holgerius wrote:
Don't really see why so many people are upset about this. The more I think about it the more I like it.

If TBLS drop out early from the game, so do the viewers.
HKriceboy88
Profile Joined October 2009
United States248 Posts
April 07 2011 13:22 GMT
#609
those who lose in the ro32 go back to the prelims correct?
Heros- Jaedong, Day9
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 07 2011 13:22 GMT
#610
On April 07 2011 22:22 HKriceboy88 wrote:
those who lose in the ro32 go back to the prelims correct?

MST, not prelims.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
April 07 2011 13:23 GMT
#611
On April 07 2011 22:10 Musou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 22:09 538 wrote:
On April 07 2011 22:05 Musou wrote:
On April 07 2011 22:03 538 wrote:
On April 07 2011 22:01 dibbaN wrote:
Wow.. These kid zergs should only be allowed to play in the sandbox, not the MSL.

The thing is, Great and Hydra were allowed to mix up things this much because they were the finalists of last season. Talk about kid zergs, but that group actually contains seeds 4,9,11 and 12, not that unfair if you look at it that way.

Actually that is a really unfair seed. The seed average should be around 16.5 if evenly distributed (1,32,16,17 would be ideal). That group average is 9, which is way higher than it should be.

Sure, I'm not saying its not a well above average group, but people are complaining as if it was seeds 1,2,3 and say, 7 (according to popularity). All these three star players performed sub-par last season, now they are paying the price. Hydra and great just did what bettered their chances the most, you cant blame them for not setting the stages up for the fan favourites (its not even their fans they are letting down :-p).

It's impossible to have the top 8 seeds together in the first place, so that is basically the worst possible seeding. Only way it could be worse is one of the top 8 + 9,10,11.

One worse group by this logic could have been (Z)great, (P)Bisu, free and (T)Flash, that everyone would have called easy for Bisu and Flash. I'm not saying the group we have is not ridiculous (in a good and a bad sense too), but it's important to note that Flash and Bisu just didnt finish high enough last season to earn the protection of the seeding system, there's nothing unfair about this.

One one hand, surely I'm disappointed too to not see any BoX games between these players, but at least this is going to be one of the most unique groups in a Ro32 we've ever witnessed. 2 or 3 games between these names, all with the importance of an ace game or a Set 5. I'm looking forward to it.
BW fighting!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 07 2011 13:23 GMT
#612
On April 07 2011 22:21 yoonyoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 22:20 Holgerius wrote:
Don't really see why so many people are upset about this. The more I think about it the more I like it.

If TBLS drop out early from the game, so do the viewers.

Most likely only one of them will be knocked out. And it will hopefully be in a spectacular fashion.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
April 07 2011 13:23 GMT
#613
On April 07 2011 22:22 HKriceboy88 wrote:
those who lose in the ro32 go back to the prelims correct?

That's true.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
naneri
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Kyrgyzstan165 Posts
April 07 2011 13:24 GMT
#614
Lol at someone saying that Flash might have problems in group with hero horang2 and snow. Here is something much more interesting for you :D
High APM is when your marine gets 3 stim packs instead of one.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
April 07 2011 13:24 GMT
#615
On April 07 2011 22:23 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 22:21 yoonyoon wrote:
On April 07 2011 22:20 Holgerius wrote:
Don't really see why so many people are upset about this. The more I think about it the more I like it.

If TBLS drop out early from the game, so do the viewers.

Most likely only one of them will be knocked out. And it will hopefully be in a spectacular fashion.

But we could have even more spectacular games in a bo3 or bo5...
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
April 07 2011 13:24 GMT
#616
On April 07 2011 22:17 Ecrilon wrote:
For everyone defending Hydra on technical grounds..."he did it because he can," we know he can do it. It's just an entirely selfish move that one wouldn't expect a progamer to make when the average progamer is also willing to use their turn to switch out a team battle in the group stages.

Who is still a Hydra fan?


Not Bisu fans, I guess.

I can't say I'm displeased with FvB in the Ro16--glad to see them guaranteed to play each other, and hopefully when Flash demolishes Bisu we can all enjoy some sweet fanboy tears.

More concerned with Jaedong--Jaedong is actually good against Flash
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
April 07 2011 13:25 GMT
#617
I literally want nothing more than for great and hydra to get taken out by leta/light/classic/ggaemo. Their arrogance needs to be punished
Writer
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
April 07 2011 13:26 GMT
#618
didn't watch it, how the fuck did group D happen???
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
April 07 2011 13:26 GMT
#619
I can see Light beating Hydra in game one, then losing to Tyson in the winners (... if only they were using Bloody Ridge!) then beating Hydra again. That'd be amusing.
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
April 07 2011 13:27 GMT
#620
On April 07 2011 22:24 l0st_romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 22:17 Ecrilon wrote:
For everyone defending Hydra on technical grounds..."he did it because he can," we know he can do it. It's just an entirely selfish move that one wouldn't expect a progamer to make when the average progamer is also willing to use their turn to switch out a team battle in the group stages.

Who is still a Hydra fan?


Not Bisu fans, I guess.

I can't say I'm displeased with FvB in the Ro16--glad to see them guaranteed to play each other, and hopefully when Flash demolishes Bisu we can all enjoy some sweet fanboy tears.

More concerned with Jaedong--Jaedong is actually good against Flash

Good, good. I look forward to you shutting up when Bisu beats Flash because it's one game, one map. Exactly the type of thing SKT players love to practice for.
There is but one truth.
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