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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
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disciple
9071 Posts
On January 30 2011 19:19 Turbovolver wrote: OK, so here you say "Fantasy fans are not saying that Fantasy > Stork". Well for every Turbovolver, there's a disciple: A collection of T1 fan posts, which get the games from the 3-0 series completely wrong. They give a lot less credit to Stork's play in the finals than I give to Fantasy, and I've been a vocal Fantasy anti-fan in all related threads. Indeed, I was a fantasy anti-fan before I was even a Stork fan. + Show Spoiler + a terribly disappointing showing from Stork stork getting humiliated lol Stork didn't put up a fight at all what a disappointment. Stork, honestly? Where did you go? Is that a bad clone playing because I don't believe how you can just lay the biggest egg in your life. I'll be generous and leave out all the comments about silver mining, and the guy who said that Stork's gf ate his homework before breaking up with him (???) I guess this is valid though, because the result was 3-0, and as you say, results are all that matter? Do you truly believe that? I know I myself have a lot more passion for starcraft than just looking at the numbers. Indeed, this is the very attitude I rally against. Whether it's the Flash fans who only like him because he's on top, the Savior fanboys living in the past, the people who cling to Stork and Bisu solely because they are the performing protosses... These people don't watch and enjoy BroodWar, they just like belonging to the "winning" group. When Stork was on top a while ago, getting to finals vs Flash in GOM and OSL, I was just getting into Starcraft, and I actively disliked him! Stork was outplayed solidly by Fantasy in game 3. In game 1 and 2, he was outplayed before the games even started, if you ask me. As two individual players, I think Stork is stronger than Fantasy, and ELO agrees. So yeah, I will say Stork > Fantasy. And I'll feel it. What are you trying to say? Stork is quite possibly the most famous choker in BW, not that a comeback in Bo5 is smth you see every day, but Stork never did one, never was even close to doing one. Do you anywhere in my statement see that fantasy is the better player of both ? Or that stork is a terrible player? Not being able to deal with mental pressure is as much part of you character as it is of your players profile. The beatup Stork got in game 3 yesterday was only logical, because of the shock he was how good his build were figure out and how outplayed he was in the first two games. You can make the obvious parallel between his match with fantasy and savior vs Bisu, where MJY just resigned any sort of resistance in game 3 and played by default, which only made the strong points of Bisu's play that day even more obvious. | ||
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Lucumo
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Thorin
601 Posts
On January 30 2011 20:39 Hazard wrote: Nice to see Stork win but I have a funny feeling Bisu didn't play his 100% purposly to make his BFF get back into winning mentality Posts like this really annoy me. It's like some people watch pro SC as some kind of soap opera instead of to watch skilled players trying to beat each other. If you honestly believe Bisu allowed himself to lose a map for his team to help Stork I think we live on different planets. | ||
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timmeh
Austria177 Posts
On January 30 2011 15:48 StorkHwaiting wrote: It's not. Fanta's TvP is simply vulture harass. Beyond that, he's nothing special. Stork is a PvT god. Last night, Fanta got 2 build order wins and then a dismantling in game 3 that looked like Stork never even practiced vs dropship play. Today, Stork made a counter to Fantasy's retarded blind anti-shuttle build and handily crushed him. It showed simply that Stork is the superior player and should have had the balls to switch up his play rather than rely on the same stupid build just because it won him games. It's a classic case of Stork arrogance thinking he's so far superior that he doesn't need to innovate to win. It's why he's a constant silver medalist. If you look at Stork's thought process during his Incruit OSL run, he was totally different. He explicitly stated that he was going to switch things up and try to play mind games and surprise his opponent because those are essential ingredients to winning a bo5. For some inexplicable reason, he forgot that yesterday. You're funny. You give Stork credit for making a build that counters Fantasy's build, but then you don't give Fantasy the credit for doing it to Stork. Also, to the whole "playing cellphone games all night and still deliver". Oh please, I don't believe half the crap they say in the interviews. And if he plays cellphone games all night, then that is not a skill, it is pathetic imo, weak preparation and smacktalk. Eternal Second. All that matters to me is that Fantasy delivered in the OSL Finals and Stork didn't. Today it was the opposite. | ||
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
On January 30 2011 21:19 amarillo wrote: Posts like this really annoy me. It's like some people watch pro SC as some kind of soap opera instead of to watch skilled players trying to beat each other. If you honestly believe Bisu allowed himself to lose a map for his team to help Stork I think we live on different planets. Bisu is too shy to brag about unlike Shine who said that loss to his teammate in OSL group stage was a good thing and made it sound like a win giveaway to make em both advance and then got eliminated by his same teammate. This sounds exactly like a soup opera  | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On January 30 2011 21:29 Hazard wrote: Bisu is too shy to brag about unlike Shine who said that loss to his teammate in OSL group stage was a good thing and made it sound like a win giveaway to make em both advance and than got eliminated but his teammate. This sounds exactly like a soup opera Bisu don't throw matches dude, he just played his best and had a bad day, that's all. But he is toooooo handsome !!!!! | ||
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
On January 30 2011 21:35 kamikami wrote: Bisu don't throw matches dude, he just played his best and had a bad day, that's all. But he is toooooo handsome!!!!! Yep with his builds Maybe you're right but for me it's a good thing to see him lose today (1st time I'm saying this about Bisu btw) and I blindly assume Bisu subconsciously helped his good ol' friend even if it's not true it's a cool thing anyway. Sure not taking anything away from Stork. | ||
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composition
98 Posts
On January 30 2011 20:39 Hazard wrote: Bisu didn't play his 100% That one drew blood. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On January 30 2011 19:19 Turbovolver wrote: OK, so here you say "Fantasy fans are not saying that Fantasy > Stork". Well for every Turbovolver, there's a disciple: A collection of T1 fan posts, which get the games from the 3-0 series completely wrong. They give a lot less credit to Stork's play in the finals than I give to Fantasy, and I've been a vocal Fantasy anti-fan in all related threads. Indeed, I was a fantasy anti-fan before I was even a Stork fan. + Show Spoiler + a terribly disappointing showing from Stork stork getting humiliated lol Stork didn't put up a fight at all what a disappointment. Stork, honestly? Where did you go? Is that a bad clone playing because I don't believe how you can just lay the biggest egg in your life. I'll be generous and leave out all the comments about silver mining, and the guy who said that Stork's gf ate his homework before breaking up with him (???) I guess this is valid though, because the result was 3-0, and as you say, results are all that matter? Do you truly believe that? I know I myself have a lot more passion for starcraft than just looking at the numbers. Indeed, this is the very attitude I rally against. Whether it's the Flash fans who only like him because he's on top, the Savior fanboys living in the past, the people who cling to Stork and Bisu solely because they are the performing protosses... These people don't watch and enjoy BroodWar, they just like belonging to the "winning" group. When Stork was on top a while ago, getting to finals vs Flash in GOM and OSL, I was just getting into Starcraft, and I actively disliked him! Stork was outplayed solidly by Fantasy in game 3. In game 1 and 2, he was outplayed before the games even started, if you ask me. As two individual players, I think Stork is stronger than Fantasy, and ELO agrees. So yeah, I will say Stork > Fantasy. And I'll feel it. " I know I myself have a lot more passion for starcraft than just looking at the numbers." "As two individual players, I think Stork is stronger than Fantasy, and ELO agrees." But dude, ive been a flash fan even before he won vs stork in the gomtv finals. Ive been a bisu fan since he beat savior and cheered for him during his slump. but cos i think the results fanta>stork do matter, does this make me just wanting to belong to the "winning" group, does that mean i have no real passion? wtf man, that doesnt make sense and results do matter before flash was godlike, sea and him were probably the best terrans, but they achieved nothing. flash was able to eventually get over his nerves and when he did he dominated whereas the same cannot be said about sea, so having good nerves is part of being a good player. if stork cant master his nerves then he doesnt deserve to win even if he is the "better" player (im not saying nerves was the only reason he lost) did july beating best and obtaining the golden mouse mean nothing because he had an easy route? because best was the overall "better" player? you see, results do matter, but that doesnt mean we are passionless about the game dude. whether you believe stork>fantasy or not (or maybe you just keep repeating it so it hurts less), the fact is, he didnt when he needed too. so why are you trying to deprive fantasy fans from their victory and btw, im not a "fan" of either player, but i watched it hoping for epic games. although it didnt happen, fantasy played beautifully, especially in game 3, that was just art | ||
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
Ow wait, why I'm even responce for so ridiculus statement? After yesterday Stork's fanboys are not in possition to make any uncomical statements untill he will outplay fantasy in BoX again. Today loss not changing much. Wait, it doesnt change anything. Just proves that Stork is capable of beating Fantasy...huh...as nobody even know that. | ||
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structuralinertia
Australia1426 Posts
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
 Fantasy is a man of mood. But I like him probably most of all terrans because he generates ideas. He truly lives up to his nickname. But he can't bear the constant pressure of responsibility for the results the way that the most "standard" players do ( Jaedong, Flash,  Stork, etc) - he needs to be free for his creativity. And at his peak he can really be unstoppable, as he was yesterday. The problem for him is to "catch his good mood" each of the tournament days - and then he can turn into the same kind of a Starleague monster as Jaedong or Flash.BTW, this league with its calendar, could be called JungKHAN Bang Troll League. XD | ||
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Shaman.us
United States319 Posts
On January 30 2011 14:41 Colbear wrote: Stork's going to come out for Khan, who will beat Bisu, then Fantasy will come out, and Stork will win. Just sayin' Called it | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
And on BeSt too, who's supposed to have great PvP. As for the Stork vs. FanTaSy: I'm not too concerned. I'd rather have a silver mouse than an OSL Win, cuz this way there is zero pressure on me. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
On January 30 2011 22:19 okum wrote: If "free for his creativity" means "free to use the same strategy two days in a row", and losing the second day because it became predictable, then I agree. Say that to your god, that was beaten by pure zerglings in final :D | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On January 30 2011 22:24 IntoTheheart wrote: And on BeSt too, who's supposed to have great PvP. BeSt is known mainly for his monsterous vT. His vP hasn't been that good since '08 when his hot streak ended. [1] | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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