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[SWL] KT Rolster vs. STX SouL

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mustaju
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Estonia4505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-23 07:35:43
January 22 2011 21:35 GMT
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Sunday, January 23rd 2010, 13:00 KST, Channel OnGameNet



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[image loading]KT Rolster vs STX SouL[image loading]

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< Bloody Ridge >
< Fortress >
< Aztec >
< Empire of the Sun >
< Icarus >
< Benzene >
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We haven't had one of these for a while, have we? I'm happy to present to you this Q&A with Moopie for KT and Ideas for STX. Enjoy!


1) Coming into this Match, KT is undefeated in Winners League while STX was the first non-ACE allkilled team of 2011. On the other hand, KT has a lot to take revenge for, the previous matches of the season ended 4-1 in STX’s favor, and a STX player knocked out (T)Flash from both Starleagues ((P)Kal and (T)Classic, respectively). How would you rate the teams mindsets coming into the arena?

moopie: I think KT is very strong right now, so past losses aren't going to affect them too much mentally. KT being undefeated is indeed very nice, but the fact that (T)Flash isn't the sole cause of that is even better. (P)Stats and (P)Violet have been performing great so far in WL and I expect that to continue. With any luck (Z)Action will be joining them soon. KT definitely has the momentum at the moment to push through any obstacle.

ideas: KT’s gotta be feeling good being undefeated right now, and STX has been so unpredictable this season that I have no idea. (P)Kal and (Z)Calm would lose PL games they shouldn’t and then immediately after destroy this individual leagues, and then there are days when they don’t play very well in individual leagues but then (T)FrOzen and (T)Bogus destroy whatever team they play.

2) The situations of Rounds 1&2 seem to be entirely reversed. „Deep“ teams like Hite Entus and STX SouL, previously 2&3, are collapsing in front of teams that were said to be lacking in depth beforehand. TaekBangLee (Note: not adding Ssang is intentional) is on fire. What are your thoughts? Will this Winners League have good or bad results (interpret this in any way you please) in the big picture?

moopie: It was expected coming into WL that depth would play a lesser part than individual S-class players as that is the nature of the beast. However I think that so far (with the exception of SKT's 1-hit-wonder) the winning teams have been largely group efforts instead of relying on the ace players, which is a welcome surprise. I expect KT to rise quite a few spots between now and the end of round 4.

ideas: This is exactly how I expected Winner’s League to go, although with (Z)Jaedong doing better. It’s actually been weird to see this Winner’s League favor Protoss a bit more than Terran result-wise, but that’s fine with me. I’m really excited about there being 2 rounds of WL, since there are a lot of teams that do poorly in the beginning of the round that bounce back at the end as they get conditioned to WL or something. I predict that next round will be a lot different.

3)Having recently seen the movie again, I’d like to force my dear fanboys to draw comparisons. Who are your teams „ the Good“, „ the Bad“, and „the Ugly“, and why?

moopie: Ouch, no polite way to answer that. Well, going by this season's performances so far, the good would undoubtedly be (T)Flash and (P)Stats.

The bad would be (P)Tempest, who for some reason kept getting sent out even though he is 0-7 so far. I'm sure he is performing good in practice or he wouldn't be sent out, but until he gets his nerves under control, enough is enough.

As for ugly.. I'm sorry (Z)mafia zerg (in terms of play damnit). (Z)Action has hit a major slump since his transfer to KT. His play in live games has been sloppy, and far too often he makes noob mistakes that are painful to watch even though his fans know he is capable of so much more. His most recent game against (T)HiyA is a perfect example of this. (T)HiyA commited to a 4-rax timing, but tipped his hand by showing the marine count for a couple minutes before moving out as he micro'd them in and out of his base. (Z)Action sees hordes of marines and decides to make 1 sunken... 1. That game was the definition of ugly.

ideas: the Good: (T)Bogus. He’s just so adorable!

the Bad: (P)Kal. I just get mad at him every season around this time when he always underperforms in leagues. He’s better than this, goddamnit!

the Ugly: (Z)Modesty. The OSL was just…

4)Both teams are doing badly in individual leagues in January, as (Z)Calm and (Z)Modesty, while getting far, were knocked out with some pretty badly played games, and both (Z)Calm and (P)Kal are down 1-0 in a bo5 against their respective opponents. KT Rolster, on the other hand, dropped out early in both tournaments. Have KT’s players overcome their weaknesses that caused them to drop out? Can (Z)Calm and (P)Kal pull themselves together for this Winners League match?

moopie: Judging by (P)Stats' recent play, I would say he is on top of his game, so I definitely expect better of him next season. As for (T)Flash, I don't think he has much of a weakness to overcome in dropping the leagues. (T)Flash's losses seemed to be complete flukes as he hasn't dropped a single game since and his play has been in top form. The only loss that could be excused is to (P)Kal on Aztec, which is a hard TvP map (on top of which (P)Kal is a badass). Whether or not those losses were attributed to his wrist injury or another issue is unknown, but its in the past now.

ideas: Well when you talk about individual leagues with KT, you mean (T)Flash. And I think getting knocked out early in both leagues has really re-motivated him. He’s probably the scariest player to play right now, and even scarier than before.
I think (P)Kal and (Z)Calm are definitely still in the MSL (and in fact (Z)Calm seems to make it a habit of losing the 1st game in a series), but it will be tough for both of them. Especially (P)Kal, he is really weak in Bo5s, and (Z)great has got nothing to lose.

5) Will KT make another allkill this round? How about any of the STX players?

moopie: That all depends on how KT players perform as a whole. Currently, if there is an all-kill to be performed, it will be (P)Stats' as he has been getting sent out early. (T)Flash has been saved for last, so an all-kill would require everyone on KT to lose without a single kill, which while not impossible, seems unlikely currently. I am a huge fan of KT's SWL lineups so far, and while (T)Flash can't boast about all-kills, its far more important for KT to show their depth and strength. In the meanwhile (T)Flash gets time to rest his wrist, so everybody wins.

ideas: Most definitely KT will make more Allkills. Anytime (T)Flash gets a chance pretty much lol. I think STX might make 1 Allkill, probably from (P)Kal or someone random like (P)Shuttle/(T)Bogus/(T)FrOzen.

6) Who will the First Zerg player to get an all-kill be? Protoss is far ahead and (T)BaBy recently scored the first one for Terran.

moopie: (Z)Jaedong would be the obvious choice, if he can regain his composure. Failing that, my money is on (Z)ZerO.

ideas: It will be a shame if it’s not (Z)Jaedong.

7) Which 4 players will be sent out for the teams? Might this go to an Ace match because the 4 maps at the beginning are not favorable for any race in all matchups?

moopie: (P)Stats should be sent out first, for Bloody Ridge. If he loses before Aztec, I expect (P)Violet to follow up. Icarus would be the best time to send (Z)Action out, and (T)Flash will clean up whatever is left. Its hard to predict how many matches this will go to since STX's performance can be a bit shaky. Should STX be in the zone I definitely expect this to go all the way to 7.

ideas: I’m guessing from KT, like EVERY match it seems, (P)Violet, (T)Flash, (P)Stats, and (Z)Action.
STX I’m going to say will send out (P)Kal, (Z)Calm, (T)Classic, and (T)Bogus. I have no idea if it will go to an ace match, there are just way too many factors to predict at all. It’d be awesome if it did though :D.

8) Some of the wierder coaching choices have been to send out (Z)Action and (Z)by.hero, who haven’t performed too well as of now. How do you explain this?

moopie: I can't speak for (Z)by.hero, but as for (Z)Action I think the coaches are trying to get him over his slump. I'm certain he is performing well in practice, and as we know from his eStro days (Z)Action puts in a LOT of hours for practicing, the kid is a machine. The coaching staff clearly knows his potential or they wouldn't send him out over other players who perform better in practice. It should only be a matter of time until he recovers his game.

ideas: The only way to get a player to start performing well is to let them perform well eventually. I can’t speak for KT but (Z)by.hero was sent out when STX was in no real danger (never in any clutch matches), and you see a lot of teams do this when they’re ahead or not in any danger.

9) Will (T)Bogus and (P)Violet be able to continue their good momentum and destruction of antiteams?

moopie: I really hope so! Its great when that happens because it shows people nobody is to be underestimated.

ideas: I hope so. It’s always great to see players like them that have actually been around for a while finally start to get their feet wet.

10) Predict the outcome of this match, and to give something to fans of other teams, also predict which teams will make it into the WL playoffs!

moopie: Fanboyism aside, its hard to vote against KT with their recent performances. Its unclear whether or not they will have to use (T)Flash for this set, but they are the favorites here. KT is of course also on track for the WL playoffs, but STX is definitely in the running as well. Either way, we still have a round and a half, so everything could change.

ideas: STX will win 4-3. WL playoffs are the top 4 teams, right? Then I suppose it will be KT, SKT1, Hite, and STX.

Finally, any last words?

moopie: As usual when KT and STX face off, I just want to see good games, regardless of who wins.

ideas: (Z)Calm vs (T)Fantasy was one of the top 5 Bo5s in the last year.

mustaju: It's incredible to have a community that can (and DOES) literally whip these up in just a few hours within requests. I love you, guys.





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+ Show Spoiler [Set 1] +
(P)Violet < Bloody Ridge > (P)Kal
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(P)Violet < Fortress > (Z)by.hero
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(P)Violet < Aztec > (Z)Calm
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(P)Violet < Empire of the Sun > (T)Bogus
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(Z)Action < Icarus > (T)Bogus
+ Show Spoiler [Set 6] +
(P)Stats < Benzene > (T)Bogus
+ Show Spoiler [Ace Match] +
(T)Flash < La Mancha > (T)Bogus

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KT Rolster vs STX SouL

(P)Violet < Bloody Ridge > (P)Kal
(P)Violet < Fortress > (Z)by.hero
(P)Violet < Aztec > (Z)Calm
(P)Violet < Empire of the Sun > (T)Bogus
(Z)Action < Icarus > (T)Bogus
(P)Stats < Benzene > (T)Bogus
(T)Flash < La Mancha > (T)Bogus



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+ Show Spoiler [Set 1] +

(P)Violet < Bloody Ridge > (P)Kal
+ Show Spoiler [Set 2] +
(P)Violet < Fortress > (Z)by.hero
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(P)Violet < Aztec > (Z)Calm
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(P)Violet < Empire of the Sun > (T)Bogus
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(Z)Action < Icarus > (T)Bogus
+ Show Spoiler [Set 6] +
(P)Stats < Benzene > (T)Bogus
+ Show Spoiler [Ace Match] +
(T)Flash < La Mancha > (T)Bogus


+ Show Spoiler [Overall] +
KT Rolster vs STX SouL



Set 1: (P)Violet < Bloody Ridge > (P)Kal
Set 2: (P)Violet < Fortress > (Z)by.hero
Set 3: (P)Violet < Aztec > (Z)Calm
Set 4: (P)Violet < Empire of the Sun > (T)Bogus
Set 5: (Z)Action < Icarus > (T)Bogus
Set 6: (P)Stats < Benzene > (T)Bogus
Ace Match: (T)Flash < La Mancha > (T)Bogus
[image loading]KT Rolster 4-3 STX SouL[image loading]





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+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +
Poll: Would you recommend game 1?

Yes (13)
 
72%

No (3)
 
17%

Check it out if you have time. (2)
 
11%

18 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.


+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Poll: Would you recommend game 2?

Yes (11)
 
73%

No (3)
 
20%

Check it out if you have time. (1)
 
7%

15 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.


+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Poll: Would you recommend game 3?

Yes (11)
 
69%

No (4)
 
25%

Check it out if you have time. (1)
 
6%

16 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.


+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Poll: Would you recommend game 4?

Yes (10)
 
83%

No (2)
 
17%

Check it out if you have time. (0)
 
0%

12 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.


+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Poll: Would you recommend game 5?

No (12)
 
67%

Yes (6)
 
33%

Check it out if you have time. (0)
 
0%

18 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.


+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Poll: Would you recommend game 6?

Yes (34)
 
97%

Check it out if you have time. (1)
 
3%

No (0)
 
0%

35 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend game 6?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.


+ Show Spoiler [Ace Match] +
Poll: Would you recommend game 7?

Yes (49)
 
88%

Check it out if you have time. (6)
 
11%

No (1)
 
2%

56 total votes

Your vote: Would you recommend game 7?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.





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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-23 07:27:20
January 22 2011 21:35 GMT
#2
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unplayed games will be given random descriptions to prevent spoilers.
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Some bad decision making, but also some decent harrassment. Worth a watch.

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Horrible, horrible defense. Good proof that the loser in question is still godawful.

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
One messed up timing into an unending sea of harassment. Pretty worthwhile to watch.

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Weird choice of strategy into Een han timing! If you don't despise the race in question, very much worth a watch.

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Pretty decent TvZ, but not exactly game of the match worthy.

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Excellent back and forth PvT, best match so far, with awesome harassment and a pretty cool opening push.

+ Show Spoiler [Ace Match] +
Insane TvT. Watch it!


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source: www.fomos.kr
article: Fomos Predictions (Fomos does this for every match apparently)

On the 23rd, we will witness the battle between KT and STX. KT is undefeated so far in SWL and they are moving up the overall rankings one step at a time. STX has not enjoyed the same success as KT in SWL, but they too have to acquire more wins in order to move up in the ranks. This time, I (the journalist) am going to make bold predictions.

▶ KT vs STX, opening set will be: Flash vs Kal!
It seems likely that the ace players from each team will face off in the opening set. Flash is falling behind Bisu in the race for "most wins in SPL" title, so he will use this opportunity to go for an all-kill and catch up with Bisu. Looking at the map order (Bloody Ridge, Fortress, Aztec, Empire of the Sun), as long as Flash can overcome the difficulties on Aztec, an all-kill seems doable for a player of his caliber.

Meanwhile, STX will probably send out Kal. Bloody Ridge is a decent map for Protoss, and giving Kal the opportunity to win a couple matches will better prepare his mentality and confidence for the remaining MSL Ro8 matches. If my predictions are correct, the result of set 1 will likely lead to the same overall match result.

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Poll: Who are you cheering for?

KT Rolster (27)
 
44%

STX SouL (22)
 
36%

I'm just hoping for good games. (11)
 
18%

Both! Decision making is for suckers! (1)
 
2%

61 total votes

Your vote: Who are you cheering for?

(Vote): KT Rolster
(Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): I'm just hoping for good games.
(Vote): Both! Decision making is for suckers!


Poll: Who will win?

KT Rolster (38)
 
73%

I voted and didn't say anything at the same time. Take that, poll! (10)
 
19%

STX SouL (4)
 
8%

52 total votes

Your vote: Who will win?

(Vote): KT Rolster
(Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): I voted and didn't say anything at the same time. Take that, poll!



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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#3
Hoping for short and sweet games so this finishes before I have to go to work.
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Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
January 22 2011 21:40 GMT
#4
STX will win this one for sure!

KT fans, tremble before almighty terran armada admirals: Bogus and CuteAngel! ...
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 22 2011 21:45 GMT
#5
Hopefully after KT crushes stx, cuteangel's mom won't go on posting rampages again
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XXGeneration
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States625 Posts
January 22 2011 21:57 GMT
#6
gogo KT :D
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
January 22 2011 22:00 GMT
#7
Predictions: Stuff happens and then Flash comes out.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
January 22 2011 22:02 GMT
#8
I wouldn't be surprised if Flash starts this game cause he'll want that all kill
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
January 22 2011 22:06 GMT
#9
On January 23 2011 07:02 Ikonn wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Flash starts this game cause he'll want that all kill


Don't know if it'd be smart. It'd force him to play a TvP, likely against Kal, on Aztec in game 3 (assuming he gets there which is pretty likely).
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 22 2011 22:08 GMT
#10
I also miss ForGG
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
January 22 2011 22:17 GMT
#11
On January 23 2011 07:08 moopie wrote:
I also miss ForGG


me too....
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 22 2011 22:19 GMT
#12
Clam will fall to Stats and my FPL will be happy. (please?)
:)
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
January 22 2011 22:23 GMT
#13
On January 23 2011 07:06 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 07:02 Ikonn wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Flash starts this game cause he'll want that all kill


Don't know if it'd be smart. It'd force him to play a TvP, likely against Kal, on Aztec in game 3 (assuming he gets there which is pretty likely).


Yeah, good point actually.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
January 22 2011 22:27 GMT
#14
On January 23 2011 07:00 Count9 wrote:
Predictions: Stuff happens and then Flash comes out.


lol so good

personally I am excited for the potential games tonight (and hopefully some upsets :-)
jaedong imba
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
January 22 2011 22:30 GMT
#15
I am not even going to guess which team will win. I am more interested in how many kills Flash gets.
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
January 22 2011 22:36 GMT
#16
I wouldn't be surprised if Kal and Shuttle are practing PvT in Fortress and Aztec while Calm and Hero are practicing TvZ in Aztec just to snipe Flash.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9815 Posts
January 22 2011 22:46 GMT
#17
Without forGG I have no reason to ever cheer for KT ever again
boomer hands
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-22 22:54:42
January 22 2011 22:54 GMT
#18
Greatly updated with Fan Q&A-s to help pass the time before the matches!
HUGE thanks to moopie and ideas for being incredible.
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
January 22 2011 23:00 GMT
#19
I was wondering when this would be up...

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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8175 Posts
January 22 2011 23:00 GMT
#20
lol moopie and I had like identical answers for some of the questions.
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