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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 22 2011 05:14 GMT
#221
Close position on lamancha are we gonna see that 3 fact push?
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:14 GMT
#222
1 rax expo for FBH, no rines, no bunker (yet)

core finishes for Bisu
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:14 GMT
#223
Bisu's scouting probe arrives to see the CC at FBH's nat, must know what's up - here comes the zealot - no bunker for you FBH!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:15 GMT
#224
4 SCVs pulled with 2 rines - zealot kills 1 rine - now in the main!
now here comes a dragoon!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 22 2011 05:15 GMT
#225
finally gets into the bunker, but the zealot is still being annoying
Writer
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:16 GMT
#226
but FBH able to load up his bunker and the goon backs off

zealot got another kill in fbh's main - an scv?
finally a rine finishes it

2 goons hanging outside of bunker range, waiting for their upgrade

Bisu takes his nat

FBH finally gets his factory going again after the SCV building it was destroyed
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Never.Say.GG
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States192 Posts
January 22 2011 05:16 GMT
#227
On January 22 2011 14:12 Slaynte wrote:
I think the reason why Bisu is so successful in PvZ is because he's able to hit perfect timings in the mid game. If we analyze the ZvP matchup, Zerg is strong in the early, and early mid game (ling runby, hydra bust, lurker bust etc. In the mid to late mid game, Protoss has a huge advantage (+2speedlots, archons, corsairs, dragoon deathball, maybe reavers). Once it fully reaches the late game, Zerg gets the defiler with plague and swarm which make zealots and dragoons weaksauce. (plagued zealots die in 7 hydralisk shots instead of 30+, and dragoons do 0 damage to lings under swarm). The reason ZvP is imbalanced in Z's favor is due to the use of busts against greedy protoss, and defilers to weaken the P's deathball in the late game. If you look at Bisu's victories, almost all of them end in the mid game, because he knows he'll lose the advantage if he lets it get to the late game. Therefore, he specifically executes a strategy to ensure victory in the mid game.


Yes, true, but that's obvious. Why the zergs are unable to respond to his timings is what gets me. His zealots, corsairs just seem a little faster. For example, I don't know if it's just me, but I kind of feel the spire has less hp when his first sair comes out.
Since when was a game you lose a good game? Many times... Just don't say it =(
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 22 2011 05:16 GMT
#228
Bisu's micro O.o

That zealot is a hero
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 22 2011 05:16 GMT
#229
Bisu's Zealot is raising some hell

Lets add another nickname for Bisu, the Master of Zealots
Writerptrk
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:16 GMT
#230
range done, 2 goons bombarding the bunker, 3(!) scvs repairing

Robo coming for Bisu, FBH adding machine shop to his fact, early armory

FBH gets an scv into Bisu's main and sees the robo
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51710 Posts
January 22 2011 05:17 GMT
#231
that was extremely awkward with the 5 seconds of awwws.
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:17 GMT
#232
4 goons bombarding now, FBH's tank is really late

4 scvs repairing, bunker in red - FBH pulls a 5th scv and holds for now

here comes the tank - one shot and pulls back, Bisu not retreating yet

Bisu placing a pylon at 9?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
January 22 2011 05:17 GMT
#233
On January 22 2011 14:16 Never.Say.GG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 14:12 Slaynte wrote:
I think the reason why Bisu is so successful in PvZ is because he's able to hit perfect timings in the mid game. If we analyze the ZvP matchup, Zerg is strong in the early, and early mid game (ling runby, hydra bust, lurker bust etc. In the mid to late mid game, Protoss has a huge advantage (+2speedlots, archons, corsairs, dragoon deathball, maybe reavers). Once it fully reaches the late game, Zerg gets the defiler with plague and swarm which make zealots and dragoons weaksauce. (plagued zealots die in 7 hydralisk shots instead of 30+, and dragoons do 0 damage to lings under swarm). The reason ZvP is imbalanced in Z's favor is due to the use of busts against greedy protoss, and defilers to weaken the P's deathball in the late game. If you look at Bisu's victories, almost all of them end in the mid game, because he knows he'll lose the advantage if he lets it get to the late game. Therefore, he specifically executes a strategy to ensure victory in the mid game.


Yes, true, but that's obvious. Why the zergs are unable to respond to his timings is what gets me. His zealots, corsairs just seem a little faster. For example, I don't know if it's just me, but I kind of feel the spire has less hp when his first sair comes out.

with regards to the game just now, it's because Bisu went Nexus -> Gateway -> Forge and not the conventional Nexus -> Forge -> Gateway, thus a faster tech
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Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
January 22 2011 05:18 GMT
#234
Goons almost snipe bunker; commentators: "AH! Oh- AH! Oh- AH-"

Bunker survives with like 5 SCVs repairing it, tank chases goons away
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 22 2011 05:18 GMT
#235
On January 22 2011 14:16 Never.Say.GG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 14:12 Slaynte wrote:
I think the reason why Bisu is so successful in PvZ is because he's able to hit perfect timings in the mid game. If we analyze the ZvP matchup, Zerg is strong in the early, and early mid game (ling runby, hydra bust, lurker bust etc. In the mid to late mid game, Protoss has a huge advantage (+2speedlots, archons, corsairs, dragoon deathball, maybe reavers). Once it fully reaches the late game, Zerg gets the defiler with plague and swarm which make zealots and dragoons weaksauce. (plagued zealots die in 7 hydralisk shots instead of 30+, and dragoons do 0 damage to lings under swarm). The reason ZvP is imbalanced in Z's favor is due to the use of busts against greedy protoss, and defilers to weaken the P's deathball in the late game. If you look at Bisu's victories, almost all of them end in the mid game, because he knows he'll lose the advantage if he lets it get to the late game. Therefore, he specifically executes a strategy to ensure victory in the mid game.


Yes, true, but that's obvious. Why the zergs are unable to respond to his timings is what gets me. His zealots, corsairs just seem a little faster. For example, I don't know if it's just me, but I kind of feel the spire has less hp when his first sair comes out.

I'm pretty certain Bisu does a lot of probe cutting to get his timing advantages.
Writerptrk
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:18 GMT
#236
FBH adding an ebay at his nat
Bisu placing a pylon at 6 as well, has a probe ready to expo at 3

FBH adding a 2nd fact, academy
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:18 GMT
#237
Shuttle ready for Bisu, he finally adds a 2nd and 3rd gate

shuttle picks up reaver!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
January 22 2011 05:19 GMT
#238
so close to destroy the bunker

siege tanks arrive and goons back off
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:19 GMT
#239
Bisu takes his 3rd at 3, FBH lining his main with turrets, has one at his nat too, here comes the shuttle - takes one turret hit at the nat
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 22 2011 05:19 GMT
#240
FBH adding 3rd and 4th facts, on 2 machine shops

Turret strips the shuttle of shields - Bisu has to pull it away, there's no gaps

5th factory for FBH, scanners done
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
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