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On January 14 2011 10:39 slappy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm vs. Modesty is gonna be the finals, IDK what all the Stork fanboys are high on. negative good sir  whatever you're smoking, I'd like some  This is the wrong thread to talk about this, BUT Modesty looked great in his win over Kal, which is the only reason I could fathom him taking a single game off Stork. On the other hand, which I've said elsewhere, Stork just dismantled killer, princess, then JD. EDIT: On topic: I think the Fantasy/Clam series is going to be closer than people expect. I would like Calm to win, but either way I think the finals will be great ( IF it's ZvZ let's hope at least ONE of the games goes to hive..)
I would argue that Modesty is better than any of them right now. JD been doing god awful and Killer and Princess are pretty weak.
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Haha its funny that the Hype section is about calm only (I know its because the fanta hype wasn't finished), while the writer is an SKT fan
Also it will be funny because Fantasy will totally win this 3-0 or maybe 3-1... Calm lost this when he lost his glasses...
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On January 14 2011 10:44 Kuzmorgo wrote:Haha its funny that the Hype section is about calm only (I know its because the fanta hype wasn't finished), while the writer is an SKT fan Also it will be funny because Fantasy will totally win this 3-0 or maybe 3-1... Calm lost this when he lost his glasses...
i wanted to write something to but my bad english prevented me.......
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On January 14 2011 10:42 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:39 slappy wrote:On January 14 2011 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm vs. Modesty is gonna be the finals, IDK what all the Stork fanboys are high on. negative good sir whatever you're smoking, I'd like some This is the wrong thread to talk about this, BUT Modesty looked great in his win over Kal, which is the only reason I could fathom him taking a single game off Stork. On the other hand, which I've said elsewhere, Stork just dismantled killer, princess, then JD. EDIT: On topic: I think the Fantasy/Clam series is going to be closer than people expect. I would like Calm to win, but either way I think the finals will be great ( IF it's ZvZ let's hope at least ONE of the games goes to hive..) I would argue that Modesty is better than any of them right now. JD been doing god awful and Killer and Princess are pretty weak.
excuse me but jaedong is not doing awful, ok his loss to stork was a bit uninspiring but stork always knew to push the right buttons vs him.
actually his vs terrans has been improving and his zvz was, is and always will be top notch #1
just cause he lost to hogil doesn't mean modesty (who has a very good zvz ) is better than him
its like saying flash is no longer good in tvt after his loss to ssak
any way awful is a bit strong maybe not as scary as in 2009/10 but still as lethal as they come
ps princees and killer in the same sentence with jaedong ..... thats so wrong
i thought thats why we have moustach zerg and pirate zerg
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On January 14 2011 11:06 pvzvt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:42 Lightwip wrote:On January 14 2011 10:39 slappy wrote:On January 14 2011 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm vs. Modesty is gonna be the finals, IDK what all the Stork fanboys are high on. negative good sir whatever you're smoking, I'd like some This is the wrong thread to talk about this, BUT Modesty looked great in his win over Kal, which is the only reason I could fathom him taking a single game off Stork. On the other hand, which I've said elsewhere, Stork just dismantled killer, princess, then JD. EDIT: On topic: I think the Fantasy/Clam series is going to be closer than people expect. I would like Calm to win, but either way I think the finals will be great ( IF it's ZvZ let's hope at least ONE of the games goes to hive..) I would argue that Modesty is better than any of them right now. JD been doing god awful and Killer and Princess are pretty weak. excuse me but jaedong is not doing awful, ok his loss to stork was a bit uninspiring but stork always knew to push the right buttons vs him. actually his vs terrans has been improving and his zvz was, is and always will be top notch #1 just cause he lost to hogil doesn't mean modesty (who has a very good zvz ) is better than him its like saying flash is no longer good in tvt after his loss to ssak any way awful is a bit strong maybe not as scary as in 2009/10 but still as lethal as they come ps princees and killer in the same sentence with jaedong ..... thats so wrong i thought thats why we have moustach zerg and pirate zerg
Stork I could forgive. Hogil I could forgive even though it's god awful with good results elsewhere, same with vs Hiya. But the fact that he lost to Bisu, Stork twice, Light twice, Hydra(1-1 in this case), and Zero this season is certainly reason for concern. I mean, he would've lost to a better terran in both games against Midas and his best win is a kinda sloppy game against Baby.
Losing to Ssak, Classic, and Hyuk on 2 days is a fluke. Losing to all of the top players you play and continuously showing bad decision-making is not. That is called a problem with gameplay.
I can't say whether or not Modesty is better, but you can't deny that JD hasn't been himself ever since Bigfile. He should have lost in his series against Stork, he got outplayed badly against Flash, hasn't been a reliable ace, and dropped out of a pretty easy OSL group(Hiya, Calm, Hogil is no group of death).
Is it really not apparent that Jaedong hasn't been himself recently? If not, what would make you accept that he's doing far worse than he should be?
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On January 14 2011 10:42 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:39 slappy wrote:On January 14 2011 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm vs. Modesty is gonna be the finals, IDK what all the Stork fanboys are high on. negative good sir whatever you're smoking, I'd like some This is the wrong thread to talk about this, BUT Modesty looked great in his win over Kal, which is the only reason I could fathom him taking a single game off Stork. On the other hand, which I've said elsewhere, Stork just dismantled killer, princess, then JD. EDIT: On topic: I think the Fantasy/Clam series is going to be closer than people expect. I would like Calm to win, but either way I think the finals will be great ( IF it's ZvZ let's hope at least ONE of the games goes to hive..) I would argue that Modesty is better than any of them right now. JD been doing god awful and Killer and Princess are pretty weak.
JD doing god awfully? Apparently losing to Stork and Bisu makes you awful 
EDIT: Read your reply...yep, he's not bonjwa caliber atm, but he does have flashes of his former self (I thought the Baby vs. JD ace match was a good example of this)
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On January 14 2011 11:44 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:42 Lightwip wrote:On January 14 2011 10:39 slappy wrote:On January 14 2011 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm vs. Modesty is gonna be the finals, IDK what all the Stork fanboys are high on. negative good sir whatever you're smoking, I'd like some This is the wrong thread to talk about this, BUT Modesty looked great in his win over Kal, which is the only reason I could fathom him taking a single game off Stork. On the other hand, which I've said elsewhere, Stork just dismantled killer, princess, then JD. EDIT: On topic: I think the Fantasy/Clam series is going to be closer than people expect. I would like Calm to win, but either way I think the finals will be great ( IF it's ZvZ let's hope at least ONE of the games goes to hive..) I would argue that Modesty is better than any of them right now. JD been doing god awful and Killer and Princess are pretty weak. JD doing god awfully? Apparently losing to Stork and Bisu makes you awful EDIT: Read your reply...yep, he's not bonjwa caliber atm, but he does have flashes of his former self (I thought the Baby vs. JD ace match was a good example of this)
Jaedongs one of those people thats still good when he's bad JD's still able to tear it up. Personally I think Oz is just wearing him down right now.
He'll be back
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On January 14 2011 11:21 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 11:06 pvzvt wrote:On January 14 2011 10:42 Lightwip wrote:On January 14 2011 10:39 slappy wrote:On January 14 2011 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm vs. Modesty is gonna be the finals, IDK what all the Stork fanboys are high on. negative good sir whatever you're smoking, I'd like some This is the wrong thread to talk about this, BUT Modesty looked great in his win over Kal, which is the only reason I could fathom him taking a single game off Stork. On the other hand, which I've said elsewhere, Stork just dismantled killer, princess, then JD. EDIT: On topic: I think the Fantasy/Clam series is going to be closer than people expect. I would like Calm to win, but either way I think the finals will be great ( IF it's ZvZ let's hope at least ONE of the games goes to hive..) I would argue that Modesty is better than any of them right now. JD been doing god awful and Killer and Princess are pretty weak. excuse me but jaedong is not doing awful, ok his loss to stork was a bit uninspiring but stork always knew to push the right buttons vs him. actually his vs terrans has been improving and his zvz was, is and always will be top notch #1 just cause he lost to hogil doesn't mean modesty (who has a very good zvz ) is better than him its like saying flash is no longer good in tvt after his loss to ssak any way awful is a bit strong maybe not as scary as in 2009/10 but still as lethal as they come ps princees and killer in the same sentence with jaedong ..... thats so wrong i thought thats why we have moustach zerg and pirate zerg Stork I could forgive. Hogil I could forgive even though it's god awful with good results elsewhere, same with vs Hiya. But the fact that he lost to Bisu, Stork twice, Light twice, Hydra(1-1 in this case), and Zero this season is certainly reason for concern. I mean, he would've lost to a better terran in both games against Midas and his best win is a kinda sloppy game against Baby. Losing to Ssak, Classic, and Hyuk on 2 days is a fluke. Losing to all of the top players you play and continuously showing bad decision-making is not. That is called a problem with gameplay. I can't say whether or not Modesty is better, but you can't deny that JD hasn't been himself ever since Bigfile. He should have lost in his series against Stork, he got outplayed badly against Flash, hasn't been a reliable ace, and dropped out of a pretty easy OSL group(Hiya, Calm, Hogil is no group of death). Is it really not apparent that Jaedong hasn't been himself recently? If not, what would make you accept that he's doing far worse than he should be?
Give the guy a break, it's not like he's ever been in god mode like Flash and had a 85% winrate. Since the start of PL 2010-2011, Jaedong is at a 73.53% winrate (25/9) in all leagues vs. all of 2010's 69.68% (108-47).
We've just come to expect so much from Flash and Jaedong that when they drop 1 or 2 leagues or a few games against "lesser" players they suddenly "suck". They're still better than everybody else, except maybe Stork and Bisu. TaekBangLeessang is definitely alive again after the Leessang Rok of the last year.
Losing single games is kind of JD's thing, he just rapes people in BoX matches instead. Just take a look at his record, hardly any single match victories against good vZ'ers.
Anyway, offtopic much.
Go Calm, Go!
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I just woke up to a request to wright the fantasy hype. I went to sleep thinking someone else was doing it, but I am begining now.
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Fantasy is going to eat clam for breakfast.
Err.. dinner I guess. Not exactly sure when you eat clams.
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On January 14 2011 11:21 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 11:06 pvzvt wrote:On January 14 2011 10:42 Lightwip wrote:On January 14 2011 10:39 slappy wrote:On January 14 2011 10:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm vs. Modesty is gonna be the finals, IDK what all the Stork fanboys are high on. negative good sir whatever you're smoking, I'd like some This is the wrong thread to talk about this, BUT Modesty looked great in his win over Kal, which is the only reason I could fathom him taking a single game off Stork. On the other hand, which I've said elsewhere, Stork just dismantled killer, princess, then JD. EDIT: On topic: I think the Fantasy/Clam series is going to be closer than people expect. I would like Calm to win, but either way I think the finals will be great ( IF it's ZvZ let's hope at least ONE of the games goes to hive..) I would argue that Modesty is better than any of them right now. JD been doing god awful and Killer and Princess are pretty weak. excuse me but jaedong is not doing awful, ok his loss to stork was a bit uninspiring but stork always knew to push the right buttons vs him. actually his vs terrans has been improving and his zvz was, is and always will be top notch #1 just cause he lost to hogil doesn't mean modesty (who has a very good zvz ) is better than him its like saying flash is no longer good in tvt after his loss to ssak any way awful is a bit strong maybe not as scary as in 2009/10 but still as lethal as they come ps princees and killer in the same sentence with jaedong ..... thats so wrong i thought thats why we have moustach zerg and pirate zerg Stork I could forgive. Hogil I could forgive even though it's god awful with good results elsewhere, same with vs Hiya. But the fact that he lost to Bisu, Stork twice, Light twice, Hydra(1-1 in this case), and Zero this season is certainly reason for concern. I mean, he would've lost to a better terran in both games against Midas and his best win is a kinda sloppy game against Baby. Losing to Ssak, Classic, and Hyuk on 2 days is a fluke. Losing to all of the top players you play and continuously showing bad decision-making is not. That is called a problem with gameplay. I can't say whether or not Modesty is better, but you can't deny that JD hasn't been himself ever since Bigfile. He should have lost in his series against Stork, he got outplayed badly against Flash, hasn't been a reliable ace, and dropped out of a pretty easy OSL group(Hiya, Calm, Hogil is no group of death). Is it really not apparent that Jaedong hasn't been himself recently? If not, what would make you accept that he's doing far worse than he should be?
I think you just have such high expectations for him.
in 2011 his only loss is to Stork . Dropping a couple games here and there is human, taking JD in a bo5 or 7 is something rarely accomplished
anyhow, let's stay on topic here-
hoping for some brutal games in the calm vs fanta series, and hoping they lose in the finals to whomever they face
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Jaedong hasn't changed that much really. He still crushes everyone at ZvZ, he smashes basically every terran than isn't Flash in ZvT, and he smashes every protoss except Stork at PvZ. None of these things have ever changed, he's losing more often against Stork (and Bisu but that's literally a single game) simply because times are changing and protoss players are adjusting better to what worked for zergs for a loooong time.
People need to stop overreacting to things. Jaedong worse than Modesty? How the fuck do you end up at that conclusion.
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People need to stop overreacting to things. Jaedong worse than Modesty? How the fuck do you end up at that conclusion.
People are trolling to get things fired up here.
If Fantasy wins the OSL, I declare Fantasy > Flash. What now?
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On January 14 2011 12:49 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +People need to stop overreacting to things. Jaedong worse than Modesty? How the fuck do you end up at that conclusion. People are trolling to get things fired up here. If Fantasy wins the OSL, I declare Fantasy > Flash. What now?
Fantasy>Flash?
EL OH EL!!!!Fantasy might win the most underwhelming OSL ever.
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On January 14 2011 13:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 12:49 dukethegold wrote:People need to stop overreacting to things. Jaedong worse than Modesty? How the fuck do you end up at that conclusion. People are trolling to get things fired up here. If Fantasy wins the OSL, I declare Fantasy > Flash. What now? Fantasy>Flash? EL OH EL!!!!Fantasy might win the most underwhelming OSL ever.
Nate OSL anyone???
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On January 14 2011 13:07 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 13:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 14 2011 12:49 dukethegold wrote:People need to stop overreacting to things. Jaedong worse than Modesty? How the fuck do you end up at that conclusion. People are trolling to get things fired up here. If Fantasy wins the OSL, I declare Fantasy > Flash. What now? Fantasy>Flash? EL OH EL!!!!Fantasy might win the most underwhelming OSL ever. Nate OSL anyone???
Ah, the great forgettable OSL. NATE really has some bad sponsor luck, don't they? First the World Cup making a massively forgettable OSL, then the power outage of MSL 7 years later.
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On January 14 2011 13:10 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 13:07 jaiBing wrote:On January 14 2011 13:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 14 2011 12:49 dukethegold wrote:People need to stop overreacting to things. Jaedong worse than Modesty? How the fuck do you end up at that conclusion. People are trolling to get things fired up here. If Fantasy wins the OSL, I declare Fantasy > Flash. What now? Fantasy>Flash? EL OH EL!!!!Fantasy might win the most underwhelming OSL ever. Nate OSL anyone??? Ah, the great forgettable OSL. NATE really has some bad sponsor luck, don't they? First the World Cup making a massively forgettable OSL, then the power outage of MSL 7 years later.
lol i agree,but still I doubt the power outage could be blamed on the sponsor.
also I really want either Incurit or Ever to sponsor the next OSL,Korean Air would do.
But god forbid there be a Gomtv OSL.
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Bleh... anyone else wish this would start already...
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I wish I could watch this, but staying up late while having a cold is not the best of ideas(I wish Bisu would've warned me earlier not to catch a cold, ffs), so I suppose I'll just have to see the results.
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I really think Fantasy should be able to take this one. Either way, the winner of this set is gonna hit a brick wall then he runs into Stork in the finals.
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