• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:33
CEST 05:33
KST 12:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced62
StarCraft 2
General
Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025) The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Global Tourney for College Students in September Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion StarCon Philadelphia Where is technical support? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
[CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 557 users

[OSL] Ro16 Day 4 - Page 38

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 36 37 38 All
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
December 18 2010 00:40 GMT
#741
On December 18 2010 07:16 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 05:53 O-ops wrote:
On December 18 2010 04:53 Lightwip wrote:
On December 18 2010 04:26 Milkis wrote:
On December 18 2010 03:42 Lightwip wrote:
On December 18 2010 03:20 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
You know you're an arrogant bitter hater (Bisu/Stork lover) when you root for fucking (T)Mind instead of Shine. I'd rather watch paint dry than any of Mind's games.

Normally I don't hate Shine, even though he eliminated Bisu/Stork. But I can't watch as someone who really doesn't have too much skill get a higher winstreak than the best players of our time.
You can say that you can't argue with results, but in this case you really can. I can't really say that his games are a show of skill, only that he keeps being successful with hyper-aggressive play which, after it is noted by the opponent, is relatively easy to counter.


So you admit Bisu's run in Proleague is a fluke

Bisu has 3 titles and a long history of dominance to back up that he's actually good. This is the only thing Shine has accomplished other than knocking out Bisu/Stork then losing like a total noob.
Fluke or not, you can't deny that Bisu is actually good. Shine, not so much.


Lol, total noob.

I love how after knocking bisu and stork out people just choose to forget what shine did after.

Beat Effort twice
Beat Fantasy, Iris, and Violet
Beat Stork twice and took a game off Movie (who was a beast pvz player at the time)
Beat Kal
Beat Bisu, again
Beat Hyuk
Beat Effort, again
Beat go.go twitce
Beat Hydra, Calm, Soulkey, Much, Canata, and Chavi in succession (6 game winstreak)
Beat Kal again
Beat Leta
Beat Kal, Stats, and Leta in succession
Went on an 11 game winstreak that involved beating Bisu twice.

How does that make him a noob?

It's all about HOW he did it. Aside from ZvZ, nearly all of his wins are from all-ins of one form or another.


So people are flaming him for doing what works? And it's not like he went "trolololol i4poolu lololol" cheese. The players he beat aren't stupid, they are quite capable of reading mid game aggression or allin and play accordingly, and Shine sure as hell weren't the first to cheese them in progames. Hyuk allined. Kwanro allined (a lot), and so did many other zergs. But none of them can pull it off as crisp, as often, and as convincing as Shine. Shine can play mindgames. Shine knows how to mask his builds. Shine has the mechanics to do what needs to be done.

If your *insert favorite player here* can't adapt against him and lose in some horribly fashion, then go flame them instead. You people sounds like fucking Idra (see Rek's rant on him here). If he's a skilless noobie, what does it make the people he beat?
Fan of the Jangbanger
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
December 18 2010 02:23 GMT
#742
Shine is a great example of someone with nice, refined aggression. It's not like he's abusing the game (...gives a certain other game the death stare), he just makes really good decisions that often times result in shorter games rather than massing one unit and rolling to victory.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
December 18 2010 04:53 GMT
#743
too many shine haters, not enough fantasy haters.

shine is aggressive BO player, fantasy is exactly the same, a player who relies 100% on his build orders that got him to 2 OSL finals in which he completely crumbled against players who exhibit strategies he can't adapt to or can't follow up after he got his BO's countered.

and people who cry bisu is good, bisu WAS good, his last title won was over 2 years ago. he was good last year around august, WCG where he dominated flash 2-1. bisu hasn't been any good for over a year now, his 11 pvz win streak was a complete fluke, 6 of the games he played were unconvincing as hell.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 05:33:08
December 18 2010 05:28 GMT
#744
On December 18 2010 01:42 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 01:25 Womwomwom wrote:
On December 18 2010 00:29 zenMaster wrote:
Hyuk > Flash via 4 pool vs 14cc
Kal > Paralyze via experience

Bye Flash

Actually possible scenario


Impossible. People saying Flash is going to 14CC Hyuk, a guy who has generally been abysmal at TvZ, don't understand Flash's relationship with 14CC beyond the fact he likes the opener. In TvZ, at the very least, Flash basically only 14CCs tough opponents like GGPlay, Savior, and Jaedong. Beyond the best ZvTers, he doesn't really bother with it because they're all scrubs compared to him and he doesn't need it since 1 Rax CC and its variants are all so powerful already. No, Flash is going to open 1 Rax CC against Hyuk.

An actual possible scenario would be Hyuk doing some crazy barely two base lurker all in like Calm attempted to do on Moon Glave, only here Flash fails to "feel" it in time. That or bad spawn positions for terran occur and we get another Modesty vs Fantasy where mutalisks basically end up controlling the mineral lines. I doubt it'll be a long game anyway seeing the longer the game is, the less chance Hyuk has of winning.


He was obviously half joking....


A lot of people seem to seriously suggesting it, not to mention the whole Flash 14CC joke was run into the ground like two whole years ago so its barely a joke anyway.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
December 18 2010 19:35 GMT
#745
On December 18 2010 03:20 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
You know you're an arrogant bitter hater (Bisu/Stork lover) when you root for fucking (T)Mind instead of Shine. I'd rather watch paint dry than any of Mind's games.


Keep the fucking for yourself nextime, ok?

On December 18 2010 08:55 Apex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 08:18 Hazard wrote:
That's right - nobody cares about Mind but some care about underdogs and some are anti-Shine fans which is okey (we have anti-fans for every good player here). Seeing how Shine/Bisu fans brought up this rematch, makes it look bigger than it should be

Throwing away games is simply unsportsmanlike btw and not only that - it's stupid and could lead to elimination of yourself.


But...but....I do D: I guess I'm the minority in this. I just want to see Mind return to that form he had when he went on his MSL run knocking off Savior/Bisu. :[


My thoughts (wish) exactly. Don't worry Apex, minority maybe, but alone not!
dark0dave
Profile Joined November 2010
179 Posts
December 20 2010 00:23 GMT
#746
Also if you miss any games they are available to watch at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/nukethestars?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/3/awOTsuW2Sds
Ah nuke, your comforting voice keeps me sane.
What is dead may never die. BW forever.
Prev 1 36 37 38 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
DaveTesta Events
00:00
Kirktown Co-op 1v1 Bash
davetesta43
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 179
Livibee 111
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 250
HiyA 149
ggaemo 122
NaDa 79
Bale 19
Icarus 6
Stormgate
WinterStarcraft763
PiGStarcraft457
Dota 2
monkeys_forever942
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 707
Stewie2K667
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King231
Other Games
summit1g10488
shahzam982
JimRising 528
ViBE198
C9.Mang0185
Maynarde117
NeuroSwarm29
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1545
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 34
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt294
Other Games
• Scarra964
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 27m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
7h 27m
Replay Cast
20h 27m
LiuLi Cup
1d 7h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 11h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
RSL Revival
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
RotterdaM Event
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.