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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 20 2010 13:04 GMT
#741
Flash is fucking horrible and the only reason he ever wins a game is because his opponents are even more horrible. He just gets lucky every single game.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
InRaged
Profile Joined February 2007
1047 Posts
August 20 2010 13:06 GMT
#742
On August 20 2010 21:41 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 21:33 InRaged wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:18 setzer wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:15 InRaged wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:03 setzer wrote:
Good job Leta, you blew your chance at an OSL title. Flash's most undeserved victory ever. It's pretty amazing how much luck he has.

Luck? You mean it was Flash who pulled ahead in early game with ridiculous mines?
But yes, flash is so lucky that out of all terrans he's like the only one who knows how to play tvt. So lucky.


I guess you didn't watch the game because Leta was always up 15-25 supply and an extra base. And that was with bad macro.

I guess you didn't watch the game because Leta had THREE more geyser way before Flash was able to secure his corner double gas, not just an extra base. And whole this time his gas were below 600. He didn't have "bad macro". He had idiotic unit positioning and decisions, but never bad macro, except for the very end of the game when he didn't use minerals to build vultures.

The reason why he was able to get such insane lead to begin with was his extremely lucky mines which allowed him to destroy most of Flash's tanks and outmaneuver Flash.


Way to contradict your previous statement. Floating 1500 minerals and 600-700 gas is bad macro, anyway you look at it. And I know you are a Flash fanboy but you should just face reality and admit Flash didn't really deserve the win.

Minerals always float above 1k in TvT after early game, unless Terran is in the deep ass. Floating around 600 gas with 5 running geysers while pressuring opponent with constant aggression is a great macro

And you mean Leta deserved to win? The guy who instead of securing his immense lead tries to needlessly pressure his opponent and then horribly fails?
This game showed that Flash knows better how to play TvT and doesn't fall apart even after fucked up early-game, and therefore he definitely deserved to win over Leta.
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
August 20 2010 13:08 GMT
#743
yeah kid luckboxed his way into bacchus, ever, hana daetoo, winners league and 0910 pl grand.
it has to be the buddha beads.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
August 20 2010 13:09 GMT
#744
On August 20 2010 21:59 Masheyoon wrote:
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On August 20 2010 21:07 tomatriedes wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:06 icystorage wrote:
*smashes keyboard to wall*

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu its a BoX right?

then there is still hope


No, there is no hope.

??? Am I missing something? All of the matches seen today were Bo3s. The return matches will be played on the 27th.

Anyway, I still don't understand why Leta didn't produce vultures when he had over 1,000 minerals in the bank. You could argue Flash didn't deserve it, but then neither did Leta.


I think the lack of vults was because he wanted to save the mins so that he could produce gas units (since gas units >>>> vults) but the unfortunate thing was that he was at a huge mineral disadvantage the second Flash took the last good mineral field. He needed to produce as many units as he could to prevent Flash from taking that last expo.
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 13:18:21
August 20 2010 13:13 GMT
#745
On August 20 2010 22:01 kawatan wrote:
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On August 20 2010 21:55 p14c wrote:
Its funny how people say that Flash has bad TvT! lol Some people are clueless..
He made the same mistake he did versus Fantasy. His early push was stopped and was on the back foot for almost the entire game.


if flash is bad tvt then what does that make leta
nobody supernatural or otherwise pulled letas fingers and made his dships run into those turrets

Flash vT ELO rank is way higher than any other Terran. Not even Skyhigh is close to beat him. In this month is 12-2 vs top ranked Terrans. End of story!
In fact he is the only player with 2300+ ELO vT!..So yeah! This is how bad it is!
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 20 2010 13:18 GMT
#746
any interview please ? need to read this
One ring, to rule them all!
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 20 2010 13:23 GMT
#747
On August 20 2010 22:06 InRaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 21:41 setzer wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:33 InRaged wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:18 setzer wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:15 InRaged wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:03 setzer wrote:
Good job Leta, you blew your chance at an OSL title. Flash's most undeserved victory ever. It's pretty amazing how much luck he has.

Luck? You mean it was Flash who pulled ahead in early game with ridiculous mines?
But yes, flash is so lucky that out of all terrans he's like the only one who knows how to play tvt. So lucky.


I guess you didn't watch the game because Leta was always up 15-25 supply and an extra base. And that was with bad macro.

I guess you didn't watch the game because Leta had THREE more geyser way before Flash was able to secure his corner double gas, not just an extra base. And whole this time his gas were below 600. He didn't have "bad macro". He had idiotic unit positioning and decisions, but never bad macro, except for the very end of the game when he didn't use minerals to build vultures.

The reason why he was able to get such insane lead to begin with was his extremely lucky mines which allowed him to destroy most of Flash's tanks and outmaneuver Flash.


Way to contradict your previous statement. Floating 1500 minerals and 600-700 gas is bad macro, anyway you look at it. And I know you are a Flash fanboy but you should just face reality and admit Flash didn't really deserve the win.

Minerals always float above 1k in TvT after early game, unless Terran is in the deep ass. Floating around 600 gas with 5 running geysers while pressuring opponent with constant aggression is a great macro

And you mean Leta deserved to win? The guy who instead of securing his immense lead tries to needlessly pressure his opponent and then horribly fails?
This game showed that Flash knows better how to play TvT and doesn't fall apart even after fucked up early-game, and therefore he definitely deserved to win over Leta.


I don't know what you mean by "needlessly pressure." It was that exact same pressure that kept Flash from ever securing a third gas. It was that exact same pressure that forced him to move units to defend his factories. This allowed Leta to fully secure his double gas expo and work on the 3 o clock expo. It was only when he decided to not scan and fly into into a ton of turrets (that Flash built because Leta had dropped there twice before) did Flash actually have a chance at playing. Flash did nothing up until that point that showed he was winning.

Flash does what he does best, and that is to get the W. I'm sure that is what only matters to him, but it was a pretty unsatisfactory way to get it. If you actually think Flash did more to get it instead of Leta losing it, then you are fooling yourself.
Yggdrasil Leaf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
221 Posts
August 20 2010 13:27 GMT
#748
On August 20 2010 22:23 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 22:06 InRaged wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:41 setzer wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:33 InRaged wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:18 setzer wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:15 InRaged wrote:
On August 20 2010 21:03 setzer wrote:
Good job Leta, you blew your chance at an OSL title. Flash's most undeserved victory ever. It's pretty amazing how much luck he has.

Luck? You mean it was Flash who pulled ahead in early game with ridiculous mines?
But yes, flash is so lucky that out of all terrans he's like the only one who knows how to play tvt. So lucky.


I guess you didn't watch the game because Leta was always up 15-25 supply and an extra base. And that was with bad macro.

I guess you didn't watch the game because Leta had THREE more geyser way before Flash was able to secure his corner double gas, not just an extra base. And whole this time his gas were below 600. He didn't have "bad macro". He had idiotic unit positioning and decisions, but never bad macro, except for the very end of the game when he didn't use minerals to build vultures.

The reason why he was able to get such insane lead to begin with was his extremely lucky mines which allowed him to destroy most of Flash's tanks and outmaneuver Flash.


Way to contradict your previous statement. Floating 1500 minerals and 600-700 gas is bad macro, anyway you look at it. And I know you are a Flash fanboy but you should just face reality and admit Flash didn't really deserve the win.

Minerals always float above 1k in TvT after early game, unless Terran is in the deep ass. Floating around 600 gas with 5 running geysers while pressuring opponent with constant aggression is a great macro

And you mean Leta deserved to win? The guy who instead of securing his immense lead tries to needlessly pressure his opponent and then horribly fails?
This game showed that Flash knows better how to play TvT and doesn't fall apart even after fucked up early-game, and therefore he definitely deserved to win over Leta.


If you actually think Flash did more to get it instead of Leta losing it, then you are fooling yourself.


In the end he did.
"A person hears only what they understand" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 13:41:00
August 20 2010 13:38 GMT
#749
Man, these comments are seriously funny. "Leta is absolutely terrible", "Flash got lucky to play some1 this bad". LOL he's 64.52% in TvT morons, thats one of the best TvTs out there. Not once does any1 consider the fact that the opponent is Flash. Ever wonder why your D+ buddy on iCCup curb stomps you, but you see him making fail after fail when he plays some1 at C level? Its because the quality of the opponents matters a lot. Yes leta made quite a few mistakes but those mistakes are easier to make when your opponent is flash. Flash just outplayed him heavily in the endgame, showing better awareness and decision making. Saying he sucks and flash is lucky all the time is just absurb. Btw did any1 notice that Flash was ahead in supply for almost the entire endgame?

On August 20 2010 21:03 setzer wrote:
Good job Leta, you blew your chance at an OSL title. Flash's most undeserved victory ever. It's pretty amazing how much luck he has.


Gotta be good to be lucky dude. Beating Leta (64.52 % TvT) 3 times in a row, ForGG (48.96% TvT but mainly cause of how bad it was before) 3 times in a row, and Fantasy (59.52%) 5-2, all within 2 weeks, is a little more than luck i'd say, yes?? Or you can keep being deluded
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
August 20 2010 13:47 GMT
#750
Hey so Stork beat Sea with Carriers......isent that just great :-)
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
August 20 2010 13:48 GMT
#751
what do you do when your boy loses you get into that keyboard warrior mode and rationalize why he wasnt beaten by skill but by some mysterious force as if some deity denied what was deservedly won.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 13:51:51
August 20 2010 13:51 GMT
#752
oh my god, i came back just to find out flash won. how many lives does this guy have?
Brood War loyalist
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
August 20 2010 14:02 GMT
#753
On August 20 2010 22:04 Holgerius wrote:
Flash is fucking horrible and the only reason he ever wins a game is because his opponents are even more horrible. He just gets lucky every single game.

dude i totally agree. everyone thinks Flash is so good but I've never actually seen a game where he's won decisively, always some mistake and the other guy rolls over dead. i'm also a strong proponent of Terran imba, which is why Flash has been winning all the time, especially in games like today... there's a freaking 100% win rate for Terran. like wtf

The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 20 2010 14:09 GMT
#754
Ideal results considering I pretty much gave up on Leta and his ability to beat Flash.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 14:20:59
August 20 2010 14:16 GMT
#755
Flash's early game TvT has always been one of the weakest one the major TvT players (Skyhigh, Fantasy, old FBH, Leta, etc). That's nothing new, you can probably take dozen games from this year alone showcasing him getting smashed in the early game.

What separates him from the other terrans is his mental strength. He's already completely unmatched in turtling and defense in general, its even worse since he doesn't really panic even under extreme pressure. His opponents always seem to buckle under the pressure and simply want to finish him off as quickly as possible to prevent him from consolidating his position. And its not like he's bad at attacking; he has some of the best unit positioning and late game large army movement of all Brood War players.

Leta's play reeked of impatience and his face showed his frustration ingame and after the game very clearly. He seemed to want to keep Flash from consolidating and pretty much kill him off as fast as possible, considering letting him turtle means you can pretty much lose even if you own every single resource site on the map since his late game play is levels above everyone that isn't Skyhigh (debatable, but I do think Skyhigh is a better TvT player if you need TvT snipes but series matches? he never gets far enough since he's godawful at TvZ and TvP).

If Leta watched the MSL last night + Show Spoiler +
it's probably why he didn't want to delay the game. Fantasy lost game one even with the whole map and nearly lost it again in game three
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
August 20 2010 14:23 GMT
#756
I must see this game
Sounds to me like people are upset that Leta made a mistake from a heavy lead.
Give flash some credit though, when the positions were reversed he didn't fuck up, he almost never does.

What whould have happened to Leta had flash had letas position in the early midgame? He would have been totally crushed, better player won.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
August 20 2010 15:10 GMT
#757
As a true Woongjin fan, theres only one player I can cheer for

+ Show Spoiler +
Go Leta~
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
August 20 2010 15:13 GMT
#758
I gotta see this game.

On August 20 2010 20:43 GTR wrote:
loleta.

Petition to have this nickname listed in his TLPD!
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
August 20 2010 15:19 GMT
#759
Do they do interviews for day 1 winners or do they only do the interviews after day 2?
AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
August 20 2010 15:33 GMT
#760
I feel bad for Action, I really do.

Here he is pretty damn far in the OSL and he has to face Jaedong ):
Action <3
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