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Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
August 21 2010 03:12 GMT
#781
On August 20 2010 20:43 Djin)ftw( wrote:
OMG LETA

flying 4 or 5 dropships into turrets at the main OMG


I want to see this drop, is there a vod up for it?
Unprotected sex is like fast expanding in close positions. Its risky, but feels great when it works out
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
August 21 2010 05:53 GMT
#782
Song Byung goo all the way!
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
August 21 2010 07:01 GMT
#783
Stork vs Sea, my least favorite players playing each other. Damn why does one have to win?
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 21 2010 07:11 GMT
#784
On August 21 2010 16:01 TriniMasta wrote:
Stork vs Sea, my least favorite players playing each other. Damn why does one have to win?

Because Stork is awesome.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 07:32:53
August 21 2010 07:24 GMT
#785
We might have a bang-lee-ssang finals with free taking bisu's spot lol.

On August 21 2010 00:52 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Action and Leta are two of the weakest players out of the eight. It makes sense that they get set up against the two strongest players.

I hope Jaedong, Stork, Zero and Flash make it out of their groups. Those semi-finals are going to be absolutely epic. They sound even more exciting than Flash vs. Fantasy and JD vs. Light.

Cause it is more epic.

On August 20 2010 21:03 setzer wrote:
Good job Leta, you blew your chance at an OSL title. Flash's most undeserved victory ever. It's pretty amazing how much luck he has.

Hey~ I thought the same thing when Flash threw away his golden mouse in the last osl. Effort is the luckiest player I know, Flash literally threw away game 3, 4, and 5.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
August 21 2010 22:09 GMT
#786
There is no such thing like a constant luck. It is measure of skills.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 21 2010 22:13 GMT
#787
VODs are up on wfbrood/youku.

Anyway, I cringed so hard when Leta threw away his HUGE lead by flying all of his DSs into the turrets. How could you not scan before you drop, seriously??

He lost control the second he lost his fleet, and Flash almost instantly caught up and took the lead. You really can't make a mistake like that against any progamer, let alone Flash. However, it seems that top terran players have figured out a way to beat Flash by exploiting his weakness in early-/mid-games, exemplified by the series against Fantasy (esp. game 1, 3 and 4) and the most recent game against Leta.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 21 2010 22:14 GMT
#788
On August 22 2010 07:09 Yodo wrote:
There is no such thing like a constant luck. It is measure of skills.


Game 1 against Fantasy was skill and determination, this game was purely luck.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 22:18:28
August 21 2010 22:17 GMT
#789
edit: oops double post
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 21 2010 22:18 GMT
#790
On August 20 2010 21:43 Fenrax wrote:
Let's collect some facts:

- Leta played a risky early game that ended with him having a nice advantage
- In the early midgame Leta extended that early game advantage with nice Micro and good decisions and put Flash into a position of no return in the midgame
- Not even a B Teamer should lose a game vs. Flash with such an advantage
- Leta threw that big advantage in 2 minutes with a WTF-drop and by not defending vs Vulture harass
- even after that failed drop and the Vulture Harass Leta was still ahead
- after the failed drop it seemed like Leta was AFK. He didnt do much for the rest of the game and especially nothing good.
- Flash showed once again great fighting spirit
- Flash's macro, his lategame and especially the drop in Leta's main were a class of his own

Game was over when Leta lost his DS. He was mentally broken and never recovered despite dragging the game for 20 more minutes. There wasn't much Leta could do despite a minute advantage because the map was split, and he knew Flash had better late-game control and management.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
August 21 2010 22:45 GMT
#791
On August 22 2010 07:13 Cambium wrote:
VODs are up on wfbrood/youku.

Anyway, I cringed so hard when Leta threw away his HUGE lead by flying all of his DSs into the turrets. How could you not scan before you drop, seriously??

He lost control the second he lost his fleet, and Flash almost instantly caught up and took the lead. You really can't make a mistake like that against any progamer, let alone Flash. However, it seems that top terran players have figured out a way to beat Flash by exploiting his weakness in early-/mid-games, exemplified by the series against Fantasy (esp. game 1, 3 and 4) and the most recent game against Leta.


for me it seems like "top terran players have figured out a way to ALMOST beat Flash" ;-)
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
August 21 2010 23:36 GMT
#792
this game was purely luck.

Nope. Each mistake made by Leta was provoked by Flash's actions. And the number of mistakes directly correlate with the player skill level. So what we have, is Leta mistakes and overall bad late-game from him (mostly due to absence of stamina it seems).
Word "luck" can have deterministic meaning (i.e. Leta makes big mistakes on very very rare occasion which is obviously far from truth) or descriptive meaning (i.e. you dont expect Leta to lost). I think we have the second one.
Then how we can speak of win/loss if any mistake which we dont expect from the player will be considered as pure luck?
From your point of view even presence of Leta in R8 is luck, coz he has Bisu and Effort at group.
So, from haters speech to common you sentence will be like:
"I'm surprised with Leta's lost."
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 00:17:03
August 22 2010 00:16 GMT
#793
On August 22 2010 08:36 Yodo wrote:
Show nested quote +
this game was purely luck.


Word "luck" can have deterministic meaning (i.e. Leta makes big mistakes on very very rare occasion which is obviously far from truth) or descriptive meaning (i.e. you dont expect Leta to lost). I think we have the second one.

Ironically, the bolded part is "far from truth".

I very much meant it in the first sense. It was not a mistake you see very often. In fact, I cannot recall another recent incident involving a progamer making such a big blunder. Keeping in mind that Flash's Turrets were static, Leta committed the entire action by himself.

On August 22 2010 07:45 Heimatloser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 07:13 Cambium wrote:
VODs are up on wfbrood/youku.

Anyway, I cringed so hard when Leta threw away his HUGE lead by flying all of his DSs into the turrets. How could you not scan before you drop, seriously??

He lost control the second he lost his fleet, and Flash almost instantly caught up and took the lead. You really can't make a mistake like that against any progamer, let alone Flash. However, it seems that top terran players have figured out a way to beat Flash by exploiting his weakness in early-/mid-games, exemplified by the series against Fantasy (esp. game 1, 3 and 4) and the most recent game against Leta.


for me it seems like "top terran players have figured out a way to ALMOST beat Flash" ;-)


Beat him in the early-/mid-game
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 24 2010 01:35 GMT
#794
On August 21 2010 00:52 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Action and Leta are two of the weakest players out of the eight. It makes sense that they get set up against the two strongest players.

I hope Jaedong, Stork, Zero and Flash make it out of their groups. Those semi-finals are going to be absolutely epic. They sound even more exciting than Flash vs. Fantasy and JD vs. Light.

Meh, Action has top knotch ZvT. He definitely has one of the best ZvT skills around in the scene right now. It's a pity that he has to play his worst matchup against the person that is the best in said matchup.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 24 2010 02:44 GMT
#795
Leta losing that wasn't a matter of luck, it was a matter of complacency. Flash let him drop there twice and Leta didn't do much damage (Flash probably has the single best crisis management in situations like that), but it was keeping the pressure on. You do something like that two times (and possibly scanned those times), and as the game has gone on you're fairly sure of your economic position. How likely is it for Flash to spend a ton of money on turrets when he hadn't before and the drops weren't doing that much damage?

Apparently likely enough. Maybe he just thought after the second time that Flash was relying solely on his crisis control there, and a bigger drops would be possibly enough to cripple flash and win the game. Turns out it wasn't.
Remember Violet.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 24 2010 02:55 GMT
#796
You can't discount Flash's comeback against Leta at all. Just like how you can't discount JD beating Kal in game 1 of the MSL. Yes both Kal and Leta made a mistake, but its a testament to Flash and JD's play to exploit that mistake. Flash won against Leta because he completely exploited Leta's lategame mistakes. When you're playing Flash you can't EVER get complacent when Flash's lategame is so godly. Fantasy got complacent in game 1 of the MSL semis and Flash turned it around from the same deficit he had against Leta.
Jaedong and Baby
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 03:25:35
August 24 2010 03:22 GMT
#797
On August 22 2010 07:14 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 07:09 Yodo wrote:
There is no such thing like a constant luck. It is measure of skills.


Game 1 against Fantasy was skill and determination, this game was purely luck.



Zero luck.


Flash was just playing against a Terran of clearly inferior mental fortitude.


LoLeta lost his nerves. Didn't scan Flash's base before dropships advanced. Decided on going ahead with drop then backing out at the last minute. The mark of a mentally shaky player.

Last 30 minutes was LoLeta not really doing anything and Flash clawing his way back and forth to victory. Players like Flash and Jaedong and Stork aren't mentally shaken by set backs in the game.

This is why I never had any faith in LoLeta for the longest time.


We decide our own destiny
saltydeeds
Profile Joined April 2010
United States15 Posts
August 24 2010 03:40 GMT
#798
Is there any way to tell who will be potentially playing who in the semi-finals?? Is it possible that JD and Flash would play each other then instead of in separate semis and thus not in the final?
dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
August 24 2010 04:13 GMT
#799
On August 24 2010 12:40 saltydeeds wrote:
Is there any way to tell who will be potentially playing who in the semi-finals?? Is it possible that JD and Flash would play each other then instead of in separate semis and thus not in the final?


Jaedong vs. Sea/Stork

Flash vs. Free/Zero
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 24 2010 04:33 GMT
#800
On August 24 2010 12:40 saltydeeds wrote:
Is there any way to tell who will be potentially playing who in the semi-finals?? Is it possible that JD and Flash would play each other then instead of in separate semis and thus not in the final?


isnt it obvious yet? jd vs flash now and forever
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