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[SPL] Grand Final: KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 - Page 262

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
August 07 2010 13:36 GMT
#5221
On August 07 2010 22:35 ShAsTa wrote:
Only 1 day?


yeah.

KT wins.

The End
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
August 07 2010 13:36 GMT
#5222
On August 07 2010 22:33 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 22:28 ArvickHero wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:19 roronoe wrote:
I think the biggest blame goes on bisu/coaching staff for letting bisu use that build.

Honestly, I don't think they expected the KT players to take such risky but high reward decisions. Every KT player had something non-standard prepared in order to snipe SKT's players, and had Bisu played on the fifth set instead of the second.. I'm sure Bisu would've used a different build, after it became apparent that KT players were using builds tailored to SKT's players.

KT prepared amazingly, but they had some luck with having such a crucial player coming out so early

Well it is an advantage of being able to watch your opponent's entire playoff run while showing off nothing of your own. Wonder how exhausted the SKT T1 players are after the nonstop weeks of intense practice for the continual playoff rounds?


Nah it's the other way around according to nearly every single coach.

There are three reasons emphasized by people who are predicting SKT's victory. The first reason is that KT is at a disadvantage because they haven't played in a match for some time now. Manager Ha comments that "Unlike SK Telecom who has been constantly playing and has kept their game sense alive, I'm certain that KT will have lost a lot of their game sense". Indeed, he believes that KT is innately disadvantaged simply because it's been a long time since they played in a match, while SKT has been sharpening their blades, gaining valuable experience on playing under heavy pressure.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
August 07 2010 13:36 GMT
#5223
On August 07 2010 22:33 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 22:28 ArvickHero wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:19 roronoe wrote:
I think the biggest blame goes on bisu/coaching staff for letting bisu use that build.

Honestly, I don't think they expected the KT players to take such risky but high reward decisions. Every KT player had something non-standard prepared in order to snipe SKT's players, and had Bisu played on the fifth set instead of the second.. I'm sure Bisu would've used a different build, after it became apparent that KT players were using builds tailored to SKT's players.

KT prepared amazingly, but they had some luck with having such a crucial player coming out so early

Well it is an advantage of being able to watch your opponent's entire playoff run while showing off nothing of your own. Wonder how exhausted the SKT T1 players are after the nonstop weeks of intense practice for the continual playoff rounds?


It's definitely an advantage, and I'm sure it was tough for our guys practising so intensely for so long. But it's also their own fault for not qualifying higher - KT earned the right to prepare longer and not reveal their hands.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 13:40:22
August 07 2010 13:36 GMT
#5224
Didn't watch the games. Disappointed obviously, but it sounded like quite an epic final and that's what counts the most in order to see more of this in the coming months/years.

KT was really really good this time and deserved it overall. I'm happy to be a T1 fan though: despite their so-so season, they still were able to go that far. But our Zerg line apparently failed them once again.

Better fix that for next season!
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 07 2010 13:37 GMT
#5225
Well Bisu still has a lot to work on. Time to look towards next year.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
August 07 2010 13:37 GMT
#5226
Lol flash and his ruler
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 07 2010 13:37 GMT
#5227
On August 07 2010 22:33 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 22:28 ArvickHero wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:19 roronoe wrote:
I think the biggest blame goes on bisu/coaching staff for letting bisu use that build.

Honestly, I don't think they expected the KT players to take such risky but high reward decisions. Every KT player had something non-standard prepared in order to snipe SKT's players, and had Bisu played on the fifth set instead of the second.. I'm sure Bisu would've used a different build, after it became apparent that KT players were using builds tailored to SKT's players.

KT prepared amazingly, but they had some luck with having such a crucial player coming out so early

Well it is an advantage of being able to watch your opponent's entire playoff run while showing off nothing of your own. Wonder how exhausted the SKT T1 players are after the nonstop weeks of intense practice for the continual playoff rounds?

I don't think they were that exhausted tbh.. its just Coach Park was completely outguessed. Like Bisu vs Stats, even though Stats heavily outnumbered Bisu, the battle still ended w/ Stats losing a disproportionate amount of troops, but the economic advantage was just too much. Had Stats not taken such risks, I think he would've lost the game. The players seemed to be in top shape, but they played too "standard"
Writerptrk
CROrens
Profile Joined May 2007
Croatia1005 Posts
August 07 2010 13:38 GMT
#5228
On August 07 2010 22:18 Faranth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 22:16 CROrens wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:14 Ikonn wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:09 CROrens wrote:
gg? that shit was so lame, build 100 turrets and 10 tanks - insta win against zerg

BOOORIIIING


what was he supposed to do against an all-in?




just that... does it make any less boring if he HAD to do it?


... that game was easily one of the most tense games I have ever watched in my year and a half of keeping up with the proleagues.

Hyuk nearly won that game, but Flash held him off with unbelievable defense.

If you found that game boring, it's hard to imagine you enjoy Starcraft at all.



dude its not the game, its the same playstyle over and over again
There is no problem that cannot be solved by the use of high explosives. - Anonymous ......||......Hyuk fan! \o/
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 13:39:30
August 07 2010 13:38 GMT
#5229
On August 07 2010 22:31 Slardarxt wrote:
Grats KT LOBSTER! What was this fail build of Bisu's?!


Well, Bisu's had to play a ton of PvPs in the playoffs. 3 vs CJ, 2 vs Wemade, 2 vs STX. So that's 7 games for KT to study. And Bisu did win all the games that he used the dt-first build on, so he probably thought he'd win again if he stuck with it.

It's not like the build itself was something stupid; it was just too studied at that time.

Edit: 7.
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
August 07 2010 13:40 GMT
#5230
On August 07 2010 22:37 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 22:33 Zona wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:28 ArvickHero wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:19 roronoe wrote:
I think the biggest blame goes on bisu/coaching staff for letting bisu use that build.

Honestly, I don't think they expected the KT players to take such risky but high reward decisions. Every KT player had something non-standard prepared in order to snipe SKT's players, and had Bisu played on the fifth set instead of the second.. I'm sure Bisu would've used a different build, after it became apparent that KT players were using builds tailored to SKT's players.

KT prepared amazingly, but they had some luck with having such a crucial player coming out so early

Well it is an advantage of being able to watch your opponent's entire playoff run while showing off nothing of your own. Wonder how exhausted the SKT T1 players are after the nonstop weeks of intense practice for the continual playoff rounds?

I don't think they were that exhausted tbh.. its just Coach Park was completely outguessed. Like Bisu vs Stats, even though Stats heavily outnumbered Bisu, the battle still ended w/ Stats losing a disproportionate amount of troops, but the economic advantage was just too much. Had Stats not taken such risks, I think he would've lost the game. The players seemed to be in top shape, but they played too "standard"
Bisu is not in a good shape, he did won last few PvPs, but he was at disadvantage in majority of them and won due to better battle micro/opponents mistakes. Haven't seen decisive PvP from him recently
biohazard[fox]
Profile Joined August 2010
Peru2 Posts
August 07 2010 13:42 GMT
#5231
really did not want to discuss.
use google translator (is faster)
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
August 07 2010 13:42 GMT
#5232
Funny how every time a team won the coach apparently "outguessed" the opponent's. Bisu getting a PvP, Fantasy a TvZ (say whatever you want, he's been really good at it lately), S2 a ZvP and Canata a TvP (statistically his best matchup over the last few months) looked like excellent matchups for T1 overall.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
August 07 2010 13:43 GMT
#5233
How big was the crowd btw?
Administrator
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 07 2010 13:44 GMT
#5234
On August 07 2010 22:43 PoP wrote:
How big was the crowd btw?


huge enough to remind me of that epic picture of a previous proleague finals lit up in the night
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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
August 07 2010 13:44 GMT
#5235
So are there any more big events to look for now that this is finished?
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 07 2010 13:44 GMT
#5236
On August 07 2010 22:42 PoP wrote:
Funny how every time a team won the coach apparently "outguessed" the opponent's. Bisu getting a PvP, Fantasy a TvZ (say whatever you want, he's been really good at it lately), S2 a ZvP and Canata a TvP (statistically his best matchup over the last few months) looked like excellent matchups for T1 overall.


Stats PvP, Violet PvT, Flash TvZ are pretty ideal. Hoejja vs Fantasy is an excellent draw for KT because we don't rely on Hoejja's win, as is tempest vs and SKT zerg apparently.
Remember Violet.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
August 07 2010 13:44 GMT
#5237
Out of these 262 pages and around 5200 posts I wonder how many are of SKT1 fans making excuses? Assuming only 1000 are from end of set 6 I'm going to assume about 400 are complaints and whinging.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
August 07 2010 13:45 GMT
#5238
On August 07 2010 22:43 PoP wrote:
How big was the crowd btw?


30K
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 07 2010 13:45 GMT
#5239
On August 07 2010 22:43 PoP wrote:
How big was the crowd btw?

Milkis said 30k
but afterwards he wasn't so sure.

23:30] <@WaxAngel> which they will have
[23:30] <KT_FreyasSpirit> unless blizzard goes out of their way to kill bw
[23:30] <Milkis> there was 30,000 people
[23:30] <Milkis> at the finals
[23:30] <Milkis> fun


Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
August 07 2010 13:46 GMT
#5240
On August 07 2010 22:40 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 22:37 ArvickHero wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:33 Zona wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:28 ArvickHero wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:19 roronoe wrote:
I think the biggest blame goes on bisu/coaching staff for letting bisu use that build.

Honestly, I don't think they expected the KT players to take such risky but high reward decisions. Every KT player had something non-standard prepared in order to snipe SKT's players, and had Bisu played on the fifth set instead of the second.. I'm sure Bisu would've used a different build, after it became apparent that KT players were using builds tailored to SKT's players.

KT prepared amazingly, but they had some luck with having such a crucial player coming out so early

Well it is an advantage of being able to watch your opponent's entire playoff run while showing off nothing of your own. Wonder how exhausted the SKT T1 players are after the nonstop weeks of intense practice for the continual playoff rounds?

I don't think they were that exhausted tbh.. its just Coach Park was completely outguessed. Like Bisu vs Stats, even though Stats heavily outnumbered Bisu, the battle still ended w/ Stats losing a disproportionate amount of troops, but the economic advantage was just too much. Had Stats not taken such risks, I think he would've lost the game. The players seemed to be in top shape, but they played too "standard"
Bisu is not in a good shape, he did won last few PvPs, but he was at disadvantage in majority of them and won due to better battle micro/opponents mistakes. Haven't seen decisive PvP from him recently


Sorry, how were you planning to win a mirror matchup without battle micro? You either harass your opponent, giving you the economic edge, you have better army positioning in fights, which translates somewhat to battle micro, or you can just sit back and macro. Just because a pvp goes into a 3-base macro game does not mean both of the players suck.

You want a decisive PvP, go watch 4 gate goon vs one gate expand.
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
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