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[SPL] Grand Final: KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 - Page 264

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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
August 07 2010 14:11 GMT
#5261
On August 07 2010 23:00 ArvickHero wrote:
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On August 07 2010 22:42 PoP wrote:
Funny how every time a team won the coach apparently "outguessed" the opponent's. Bisu getting a PvP, Fantasy a TvZ (say whatever you want, he's been really good at it lately), S2 a ZvP and Canata a TvP (statistically his best matchup over the last few months) looked like excellent matchups for T1 overall.

Excellent matchups for T1.. on paper. KT was able to abuse SKT's predictability and came prepared w/ special builds for the occasion. 1 gate core expo w/ a fast third, would've only worked against Bisu's DT Forge FE. When Fantasy goes bionic, it's either 1-1-1 or 4 rax.. and Hoejja nearly damn won that w/ his smart mass muta/ling mid-game army to crush the 4 rax army. Why s2 went Mutas on a map where Sair/Reaver is a very big possibility, I don't know at all.. but a big early game econ advantage plus a BO win was too much for s2. Hell, even ForGG had something special prepared. His strong FD would've killed Best if he had expanded after 3 Dragoons.. unfortunately I think Best saw the mass of marines before he was attacked so unlucky for ForGG.

I don't know why you say Canata drawing a TvP was good though, he's always terrible at that match up even if he wins. That inbase proxy showed how confident he was to play TvP.


I don't think s2 made a single Muta in his game?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 14:16:51
August 07 2010 14:16 GMT
#5262
On August 07 2010 23:11 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 23:00 ArvickHero wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:42 PoP wrote:
Funny how every time a team won the coach apparently "outguessed" the opponent's. Bisu getting a PvP, Fantasy a TvZ (say whatever you want, he's been really good at it lately), S2 a ZvP and Canata a TvP (statistically his best matchup over the last few months) looked like excellent matchups for T1 overall.

Excellent matchups for T1.. on paper. KT was able to abuse SKT's predictability and came prepared w/ special builds for the occasion. 1 gate core expo w/ a fast third, would've only worked against Bisu's DT Forge FE. When Fantasy goes bionic, it's either 1-1-1 or 4 rax.. and Hoejja nearly damn won that w/ his smart mass muta/ling mid-game army to crush the 4 rax army. Why s2 went Mutas on a map where Sair/Reaver is a very big possibility, I don't know at all.. but a big early game econ advantage plus a BO win was too much for s2. Hell, even ForGG had something special prepared. His strong FD would've killed Best if he had expanded after 3 Dragoons.. unfortunately I think Best saw the mass of marines before he was attacked so unlucky for ForGG.

I don't know why you say Canata drawing a TvP was good though, he's always terrible at that match up even if he wins. That inbase proxy showed how confident he was to play TvP.


I don't think s2 made a single Muta in his game?

no, but you could tell with the really delayed den and additional hatcheries that he meant to.. until he saw the double stargate. Bad wording on my part.
Writerptrk
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
August 07 2010 14:16 GMT
#5263
ffs skt zerg.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
August 07 2010 14:18 GMT
#5264
I feel so relieved now
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 07 2010 14:20 GMT
#5265
nice one KT Rolster!
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
August 07 2010 14:21 GMT
#5266
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 07 2010 14:22 GMT
#5267
On August 07 2010 22:27 KumquatExpress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 22:23 SubtleArt wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:19 Catalyst wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:11 Metalwing wrote:
Terran mech is gay.
On August 07 2010 22:10 Metalwing wrote:
Terran mech is gay. That's it.
On August 07 2010 22:08 Metalwing wrote:
Stupid gay terran mech.
On August 07 2010 22:12 Metalwing wrote:
It's not KT deserved it or not. It's just about terran mech being the gayest thing in Starcraft Brood War and i hate that.

We get it, now stop spamming and whining like a 10 year old.

KT deserved the win, and Flash was just part of the team this round. Nothing too epic, but the rivalry lives on...


Seriously...one of the most inconsistent and mediocre zergs in the proleague lost to the best terran to ever play the game. Obviously it means mech is gay


Didn't you start the thread about mech transitions and how powerful they were? I think you said something along the lines of "most importantly, how can zergs counter this?"

Seems a weird thing to say after making an OP about it.


I did, but:
a) That was a fairly specific strategy I was talking about. Saying mech in general is gay is stupid because mech openings are actually pretty outdated now.
b) Starcraft is a complex game and new strats come out all the time. Just because a strat is powerful doesn't mean its gay or unbeatable. Complaining isn't gonna do anything
c) Its Hyuk....vs Flash...it proves nothing
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
August 07 2010 14:35 GMT
#5268
KTF FUCK YES
CHAMPS
Forever Young
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
August 07 2010 14:42 GMT
#5269
Is KT Proloeague Champ now, or do they have to win a second series?
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
August 07 2010 14:45 GMT
#5270
On August 07 2010 23:42 CruelZeratul wrote:
Is KT Proloeague Champ now, or do they have to win a second series?


This was it, the Proleague season is over now
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
August 07 2010 14:55 GMT
#5271
On August 07 2010 23:22 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 22:27 KumquatExpress wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:23 SubtleArt wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:19 Catalyst wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:11 Metalwing wrote:
Terran mech is gay.
On August 07 2010 22:10 Metalwing wrote:
Terran mech is gay. That's it.
On August 07 2010 22:08 Metalwing wrote:
Stupid gay terran mech.
On August 07 2010 22:12 Metalwing wrote:
It's not KT deserved it or not. It's just about terran mech being the gayest thing in Starcraft Brood War and i hate that.

We get it, now stop spamming and whining like a 10 year old.

KT deserved the win, and Flash was just part of the team this round. Nothing too epic, but the rivalry lives on...


Seriously...one of the most inconsistent and mediocre zergs in the proleague lost to the best terran to ever play the game. Obviously it means mech is gay


Didn't you start the thread about mech transitions and how powerful they were? I think you said something along the lines of "most importantly, how can zergs counter this?"

Seems a weird thing to say after making an OP about it.


I did, but:
a) That was a fairly specific strategy I was talking about. Saying mech in general is gay is stupid because mech openings are actually pretty outdated now.
b) Starcraft is a complex game and new strats come out all the time. Just because a strat is powerful doesn't mean its gay or unbeatable. Complaining isn't gonna do anything
c) Its Hyuk....vs Flash...it proves nothing


Oh, I know, the OP was well written, don't get me wrong. I was just messing around, like "don't go back on your word now!" That type of thing, ya know? Yeah..
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
SaikOuLighT
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada742 Posts
August 07 2010 14:56 GMT
#5272
Yeaaaa ma boy Flash providing the decisive victory, though i would have hated to be hyuk in that situation; playing the best terran in the world in a decisive match.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 15:08:48
August 07 2010 15:08 GMT
#5273
Holy crap. 264 pages and there wasn't even an ace match? WOW.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 15:09:50
August 07 2010 15:08 GMT
#5274
I really like Hyuk too, so it's a little bittersweet.

The guy beats himself up after every little loss, so he must be pretty low at the moment.

That all-in would've worked against almost every other terran, I think.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 07 2010 15:13 GMT
#5275
Ah, well, better luck next year.

I have to say in their current sate, KT looks...

...Chinvincible.
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 07 2010 15:25 GMT
#5276
On August 07 2010 23:55 KumquatExpress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 23:22 SubtleArt wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:27 KumquatExpress wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:23 SubtleArt wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:19 Catalyst wrote:
On August 07 2010 22:11 Metalwing wrote:
Terran mech is gay.
On August 07 2010 22:10 Metalwing wrote:
Terran mech is gay. That's it.
On August 07 2010 22:08 Metalwing wrote:
Stupid gay terran mech.
On August 07 2010 22:12 Metalwing wrote:
It's not KT deserved it or not. It's just about terran mech being the gayest thing in Starcraft Brood War and i hate that.

We get it, now stop spamming and whining like a 10 year old.

KT deserved the win, and Flash was just part of the team this round. Nothing too epic, but the rivalry lives on...


Seriously...one of the most inconsistent and mediocre zergs in the proleague lost to the best terran to ever play the game. Obviously it means mech is gay


Didn't you start the thread about mech transitions and how powerful they were? I think you said something along the lines of "most importantly, how can zergs counter this?"

Seems a weird thing to say after making an OP about it.


I did, but:
a) That was a fairly specific strategy I was talking about. Saying mech in general is gay is stupid because mech openings are actually pretty outdated now.
b) Starcraft is a complex game and new strats come out all the time. Just because a strat is powerful doesn't mean its gay or unbeatable. Complaining isn't gonna do anything
c) Its Hyuk....vs Flash...it proves nothing


Oh, I know, the OP was well written, don't get me wrong. I was just messing around, like "don't go back on your word now!" That type of thing, ya know? Yeah..


Woops, looks like I need to buy a sense of humor
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
August 07 2010 15:37 GMT
#5277
woot, grats KT!
go KHAN! TBLS <3
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
August 07 2010 16:14 GMT
#5278
i lol'd at best going hulkamania lol
Forever Young
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
August 07 2010 16:15 GMT
#5279
Yeah, great job KT. You deserved this win. Violet crushing the useless Canata, Stats picking apart Badsu, Tempest dominating s2, and, of course, Flash being Flash.

Nice work!
connoisseur
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
August 07 2010 16:27 GMT
#5280
Just saw the VODs as I couldnt watch it live. God Im SO HAPPY now!!!

Finally after 8 years we did it! The jinx has been broken!

Game1: I had the FFFFFFUUUUU guys "fuck yeah" expression when Violet scouted Canatas cheese, but was like "WTF are you doing Violet! Dont let Kong jinx us!". That Kong was being awkward and not wanting to dance made me even more worried.

Game2: Stats you sneaky bastard You've done your homework. Epic counter BO with PERFECT TIMING, and perfect followup. Flawless play.

Game3: Well, expected result, but I really thought ForGG would have a better plan for that game. Those positions were great for dropship harass but he refused. The way Best walked him over was sad, but at the same time I felt "well that's what you get, you know how he plays". That his recall defense wasnt as tight as it first seemed made it even worse, as he was focusing so much on it.

Game 4: Well knew it would happen, Tempest being thrown into the fire. While I had low expectations of him I knew hes capable of playing well if he has his nerves under control. I cringed when I saw his corsair control on FPView, but his reaverharass early on did JUST enough damage for the timing attack to kick in before adrenal. Probably the most exciting game. And wtf was S2 thinking when he built two hatcheries at his main while losing it and not even cancling them when they were about to be broken. I think this game was probably what decided the series too. SKT really needed to win this.

Game5: Damn Hoejja you were playing so well. Really heartbreaking game, but impressive by Fantasy nonetheless. Anyway I knew Flash had two games to do it on, and still had a 90 % feeling they'd win.

Game 6: The icing of the cake, and what made the finals perfect, Flash sealing the deal. While it would have been incredible impressive by KT to win without using Flash, not having him play a game wouldnt have felt right, he just had to clutch the win. I wasnt even worried when Hyuk killed his mineral only. Lee Young Ho you're the god.

Now Im gonna get drunk and celebrate KT! FUCK YEAH!!

Thanks to Baezzi and Marcoso you guys are awesome!
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
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