[SPL] Playoffs: SK Telecom T1 vs WeMade FOX, Day 2

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Antoine

United States7481 Posts

July 25 2010 07:08 GMT

#1901

please build an obs pure, i want to see a 3rd night of games

Vivi57

United States6599 Posts

July 25 2010 07:08 GMT

#1902

dts? really?

wow, I feel like I'm watching the same game again

Tyrio

United States3248 Posts

July 25 2010 07:08 GMT

#1903

Pure's gonna have to sac units blocking his ramp >_>

ZeaL.

United States5955 Posts

July 25 2010 07:08 GMT

#1904

Shiiiiiiiiiiit obs bay so late

Antoine

United States7481 Posts

July 25 2010 07:08 GMT

#1905

obs bay 1st!

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

July 25 2010 07:08 GMT

#1906

Wow... this is like a replay of that match AGAIN... with Pure gettings obs out just in time for DTs.

integral

United States3161 Posts

July 25 2010 07:09 GMT

#1907

KwarK and OneOther have gotten me thinking:

I wonder what the psychology of the players/coaches is when a player like bisu obviously has serious issues with a matchup. In bisu's case he's been acknowledged as the best protoss for a while, or at least he used to be, but seriously his PvT is glaringly off. Do you think his teammates/coach will tell him that he was playing retarded and needs to seriously rework his fundamental understanding of PvT? A player with his skillset, I really don't get it...

edit for spelling/clarity

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

July 25 2010 07:09 GMT

#1908

On July 25 2010 16:07 Severedevil wrote:

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On July 25 2010 16:04 KwarK wrote:

On July 25 2010 15:57 cascades wrote:

On July 25 2010 15:56 OneOther wrote:

On July 25 2010 15:53 KwarK wrote:

On July 25 2010 15:51 OneOther wrote:

On July 25 2010 15:48 KwarK wrote:

On June 16 2010 15:51 KwarK wrote:
If he'd shown any strategic diversity I'd have been the first in the "HE'S BACK" choir. He didn't though, just macro and arbiters which is simply not enough to beat a top level Terran. It was the same story in his other prelim games too. Maybe Bisu felt he didn't need to use his best builds to beat the prelims and would rather rely on his macro. But unless I see him dismantle a push with storms or transition into carrier, dragoon, high templar at the perfect time I'm not going to be impressed. While his macro was top level his style was outdated and one dimensional. Sorry guys.

not sure why bisu played like best in that game but he has shown his old flair in many of his games though, especially the pvz/pvp department. he plays a little hard-headed in pvt sometimes, instead of doing the more common shuttle/templar tactics and such. probably wanted to win with the "spirit" style

He's been doing this PvT shit for months now though. I honestly don't know if he can play modern PvT anymore. He simply doesn't do it and you can't attack move into 3-3 tanks anymore. I'm ready to write Bisu off as a sniper at this point.

no i definitely know what you mean, but he certainly is capable of playing the more modern style pvt. i have seen him do it. it's puzzling why he chooses to play like that sometimes though. although he can crush many terrans with that macro, it is not the safest way to seal a victory. i still think you are being a little harsh to say that bisu is not "back" though. his flair is back, and so is his confidence. i've been really impressed with him up to this point - carrying a huge weight for his team and delivering each time.

I'm pretty sure he is back, including his shaky vT vs good Terrans.

The thing is, his PvT isn't just shaky. It's just wrong. He can make it work by sheer force of macro vs bad opponents but he will need to completely overhaul it into a more modern style if he ever wants to beat a Terran who plays correctly. It'd be alright if he was doing the right things but making mistakes, he could work on that or get his head in the right place and pull it together. But T>P the way he plays it and he can't undo that by skill alone when he plays the top Terrans.

I though the mass zealot/goon/arbiter style was fine if you expanded more aggressively (five base vs. three, not four base vs. three). Is that no longer legitimate?

It's fine if Arbiters are actively doing things - recalling into various locations and using 2-3 stasis at least. It's just a bit harder now because Terrans have gotten good at EMPing them earlier on.

Severedevil

United States4839 Posts

July 25 2010 07:09 GMT

#1909

Pure playing the hardest counter to DTs.

aeroH

United States1034 Posts

July 25 2010 07:09 GMT

#1910

obs.

Lebesgue

4542 Posts

July 25 2010 07:09 GMT

#1911

oh, ok he adds observatory
But dt is on the way...

seRapH

United States9830 Posts

July 25 2010 07:09 GMT

#1912

observatory just planted for pure, bisu's dt on the way...

Zona

40426 Posts

July 25 2010 07:09 GMT

#1913

first dt out, long trek ahead of it as it moves towards Pure's base

Pure getting observatory now

Bisu takes his nat

PUre on 2 or 3 gates now?

Pure blocking his bridge with units

Bisu uses 2 goons to break through!