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cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
July 18 2010 17:10 GMT
#2141
You now realize that Protoss has won every PvZ in this series so far.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
July 18 2010 17:12 GMT
#2142
On July 18 2010 22:26 Bisu-Fan wrote:
i'm sooo glad no super ace :D


What exactly is the super ace format?
I can't find any information on it with the search function either (except that a lot of people complained about it).
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 17:15:23
July 18 2010 17:14 GMT
#2143
On July 19 2010 02:12 ggrrg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 22:26 Bisu-Fan wrote:
i'm sooo glad no super ace :D


What exactly is the super ace format?
I can't find any information on it with the search function either (except that a lot of people complained about it).

Instead of a third Bo7 you have an ace match as a tiebreaker.

Also, I just noticed, every protoss player won their match so far except Movie.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 17:51:14
July 18 2010 17:47 GMT
#2144
On July 18 2010 18:45 Caznode wrote:
That last game really restored my faith in Fantasy -- I was seriously in doubt when he was sent out instead of Bisu. I love the way he faked M&M and managed to kill an expansion with it anyways.

I also liked the way Effort sent out some scourge, seemingly in anticipation of vikings or wraiths, only to be completely denied. Fantasy was really on top of it with his build.

It wasn't fake mnm - Fantasy had stim researched (but not range). I think the handful of mnm was there to give a mech build early mobility and power - a handful of goliaths are very weak and vulnerable during the early moments of a mech build, but even a small group of mnm is still pretty strong when they have a choke/wall, and pretty mobile.

Ordinarily mech can't punish early expansions by zerg, - but this bunch 'o mnm (with stim)->goliath COULD. In this particular game Fantasy shut down quite a few of Effort's attempts at getting a third while he built up his goliath numbers.

To be honest, I expect to see this build much more often from the SKT terrans, and even other team's terrans (if they realize the implications of the build) on mech-friendly maps because by trading off a little buildup speed on the mech army, your early game is that much more powerful.

On July 19 2010 02:14 Lightwip wrote:
Also, I just noticed, every protoss player won their match so far except Movie.

Indeed. Well Bisu is as strong as ever, despite the doubters, and Best has been making the game flow to his preferences. And Snow's been looking super impressive rolling over his hapless, non-flanking zerg victims.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 17:53:39
July 18 2010 17:49 GMT
#2145
On July 19 2010 02:10 cokencheese wrote:
You now realize that Protoss has won every PvZ in this series so far.


Boo-ya.

Also, I haven't seen Roro vs. Hyun yet, but if it's anything like typical ZvZ's that don't involve Devourers or offensive Nydus Canals, all three ace matches so far in the playoffs have been <15 min letdowns. We better see an epic Effort vs. Bisu and a rainbow socks totin' Baby vs. Sea on Tuesday. (Though I won't say no to CJ taking it much quicker. :D )
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
July 18 2010 17:55 GMT
#2146
snows matchlist says he plays soO, not n.die_soO
Entusman #51
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 18 2010 18:08 GMT
#2147
. . . same person. n.die is just the clan name.
dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
July 18 2010 18:22 GMT
#2148
On July 18 2010 12:20 Assymptotic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 05:25 Sea.JustGod wrote:
My Predictions:

(Z)s2 < Fortress > (P)Movie

(T)Canata < Grand Line SE > (T)Iris

(T)Fantasy < Judgment Day > (T)sKyHigh

(P)BeSt < Polaris Rhapsody > (Z)Hydra

(Z)Hyuk < Match Point > (P)Snow

(P)Bisu < Fighting Spirit > (Z)EffOrt

ACE: (P)Bisu < New Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)EffOrt


GO SKT one more time Champions !!!!


I think Canata has won only 1 game this entire year. I think he's going to be on bench for most of the play-offs.



Poor Canata, before he faced Jaedong/Fantasy exactly a year ago,his winrate was above 56%.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 18 2010 19:05 GMT
#2149
On July 19 2010 02:10 cokencheese wrote:
You now realize that Protoss has won every PvZ in this series so far.

Snow, Movie, Best, and Bisu are better than Hyuk, Hydra, Soo, and s2. The only strong Zerg on either team is Effort, and he hasn't been paired with a Protoss so far.
My strategy is to fork people.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 18 2010 19:33 GMT
#2150
One more day of this!!! Let's go zerg!!!
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
July 18 2010 19:55 GMT
#2151
On July 19 2010 04:05 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 02:10 cokencheese wrote:
You now realize that Protoss has won every PvZ in this series so far.

Snow, Movie, Best, and Bisu are better than Hyuk, Hydra, Soo, and s2. The only strong Zerg on either team is Effort, and he hasn't been paired with a Protoss so far.


You are just stating the obvious.

What's even more obvious is that the the current trend of PvZ metagame favors the Zerg and what has transpired the past two days is a small feat all by itself.
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
July 18 2010 21:29 GMT
#2152
On July 18 2010 20:05 De4ngus wrote:
You don't need a drone in your opponents base to offensive nydus. Effort built it at his nat and placed the exit in Hyuk's main as soon as he got vision with his mutas.

Well there u go. Interesting ive nvr seen it done before. Thats pretty cheesy lol.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 18 2010 21:44 GMT
#2153
Could someone please translate the interview?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
July 18 2010 22:06 GMT
#2154
On July 19 2010 02:47 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 18:45 Caznode wrote:
That last game really restored my faith in Fantasy -- I was seriously in doubt when he was sent out instead of Bisu. I love the way he faked M&M and managed to kill an expansion with it anyways.

I also liked the way Effort sent out some scourge, seemingly in anticipation of vikings or wraiths, only to be completely denied. Fantasy was really on top of it with his build.

It wasn't fake mnm - Fantasy had stim researched (but not range). I think the handful of mnm was there to give a mech build early mobility and power - a handful of goliaths are very weak and vulnerable during the early moments of a mech build, but even a small group of mnm is still pretty strong when they have a choke/wall, and pretty mobile.

Ordinarily mech can't punish early expansions by zerg, - but this bunch 'o mnm (with stim)->goliath COULD. In this particular game Fantasy shut down quite a few of Effort's attempts at getting a third while he built up his goliath numbers.

To be honest, I expect to see this build much more often from the SKT terrans, and even other team's terrans (if they realize the implications of the build) on mech-friendly maps because by trading off a little buildup speed on the mech army, your early game is that much more powerful.

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 02:14 Lightwip wrote:
Also, I just noticed, every protoss player won their match so far except Movie.

Indeed. Well Bisu is as strong as ever, despite the doubters, and Best has been making the game flow to his preferences. And Snow's been looking super impressive rolling over his hapless, non-flanking zerg victims.

didn't Mong try this against JD in some league to get ripped apart by 2 hatch muta?
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
July 18 2010 22:21 GMT
#2155
Good job, SK Telecom T1! This grants us our epic third day. It really is a shame though that these two teams have to meet up so early.
And so, we find the Sublime.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 18 2010 22:23 GMT
#2156
On July 19 2010 07:06 Count9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 02:47 Zona wrote:
On July 18 2010 18:45 Caznode wrote:
That last game really restored my faith in Fantasy -- I was seriously in doubt when he was sent out instead of Bisu. I love the way he faked M&M and managed to kill an expansion with it anyways.

I also liked the way Effort sent out some scourge, seemingly in anticipation of vikings or wraiths, only to be completely denied. Fantasy was really on top of it with his build.

It wasn't fake mnm - Fantasy had stim researched (but not range). I think the handful of mnm was there to give a mech build early mobility and power - a handful of goliaths are very weak and vulnerable during the early moments of a mech build, but even a small group of mnm is still pretty strong when they have a choke/wall, and pretty mobile.

Ordinarily mech can't punish early expansions by zerg, - but this bunch 'o mnm (with stim)->goliath COULD. In this particular game Fantasy shut down quite a few of Effort's attempts at getting a third while he built up his goliath numbers.

To be honest, I expect to see this build much more often from the SKT terrans, and even other team's terrans (if they realize the implications of the build) on mech-friendly maps because by trading off a little buildup speed on the mech army, your early game is that much more powerful.

On July 19 2010 02:14 Lightwip wrote:
Also, I just noticed, every protoss player won their match so far except Movie.

Indeed. Well Bisu is as strong as ever, despite the doubters, and Best has been making the game flow to his preferences. And Snow's been looking super impressive rolling over his hapless, non-flanking zerg victims.

didn't Mong try this against JD in some league to get ripped apart by 2 hatch muta?

I think he was just getting valkyries to survive the mutalisks lol....which didn't really work out since they just got scourged.
GANDHISAUCE
serenidite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)505 Posts
July 18 2010 23:45 GMT
#2157
imo bisu's control was amazing. top notch and if anything an indication that he's backk.

and fantasy's back to his mech - weilding CJ - killing TvZ killing streak .
That win vs Effort was FLAWLESS. and had me on the brink of my seat all night
kudos
" Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway."
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 00:11:22
July 19 2010 00:10 GMT
#2158
On July 19 2010 07:23 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 07:06 Count9 wrote:
On July 19 2010 02:47 Zona wrote:
On July 18 2010 18:45 Caznode wrote:
That last game really restored my faith in Fantasy -- I was seriously in doubt when he was sent out instead of Bisu. I love the way he faked M&M and managed to kill an expansion with it anyways.

I also liked the way Effort sent out some scourge, seemingly in anticipation of vikings or wraiths, only to be completely denied. Fantasy was really on top of it with his build.

It wasn't fake mnm - Fantasy had stim researched (but not range). I think the handful of mnm was there to give a mech build early mobility and power - a handful of goliaths are very weak and vulnerable during the early moments of a mech build, but even a small group of mnm is still pretty strong when they have a choke/wall, and pretty mobile.

Ordinarily mech can't punish early expansions by zerg, - but this bunch 'o mnm (with stim)->goliath COULD. In this particular game Fantasy shut down quite a few of Effort's attempts at getting a third while he built up his goliath numbers.

To be honest, I expect to see this build much more often from the SKT terrans, and even other team's terrans (if they realize the implications of the build) on mech-friendly maps because by trading off a little buildup speed on the mech army, your early game is that much more powerful.

On July 19 2010 02:14 Lightwip wrote:
Also, I just noticed, every protoss player won their match so far except Movie.

Indeed. Well Bisu is as strong as ever, despite the doubters, and Best has been making the game flow to his preferences. And Snow's been looking super impressive rolling over his hapless, non-flanking zerg victims.

didn't Mong try this against JD in some league to get ripped apart by 2 hatch muta?

I think he was just getting valkyries to survive the mutalisks lol....which didn't really work out since they just got scourged.


Actually, that 2nd match between Mong and Jaedong was closer than it seemed. If Mong kept those two valks alive (as in actually microing them considering there was a full control group of MnM supporting those two valks) when he was pushing toward Jaedong's 9 o'clock, the game would have been very different indeed. Jaedong did not have enough group force to fight against MnM.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
July 19 2010 00:28 GMT
#2159
On July 19 2010 09:10 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 07:23 De4ngus wrote:
On July 19 2010 07:06 Count9 wrote:
On July 19 2010 02:47 Zona wrote:
On July 18 2010 18:45 Caznode wrote:
That last game really restored my faith in Fantasy -- I was seriously in doubt when he was sent out instead of Bisu. I love the way he faked M&M and managed to kill an expansion with it anyways.

I also liked the way Effort sent out some scourge, seemingly in anticipation of vikings or wraiths, only to be completely denied. Fantasy was really on top of it with his build.

It wasn't fake mnm - Fantasy had stim researched (but not range). I think the handful of mnm was there to give a mech build early mobility and power - a handful of goliaths are very weak and vulnerable during the early moments of a mech build, but even a small group of mnm is still pretty strong when they have a choke/wall, and pretty mobile.

Ordinarily mech can't punish early expansions by zerg, - but this bunch 'o mnm (with stim)->goliath COULD. In this particular game Fantasy shut down quite a few of Effort's attempts at getting a third while he built up his goliath numbers.

To be honest, I expect to see this build much more often from the SKT terrans, and even other team's terrans (if they realize the implications of the build) on mech-friendly maps because by trading off a little buildup speed on the mech army, your early game is that much more powerful.

On July 19 2010 02:14 Lightwip wrote:
Also, I just noticed, every protoss player won their match so far except Movie.

Indeed. Well Bisu is as strong as ever, despite the doubters, and Best has been making the game flow to his preferences. And Snow's been looking super impressive rolling over his hapless, non-flanking zerg victims.

didn't Mong try this against JD in some league to get ripped apart by 2 hatch muta?

I think he was just getting valkyries to survive the mutalisks lol....which didn't really work out since they just got scourged.


Actually, that 2nd match between Mong and Jaedong was closer than it seemed. If Mong kept those two valks alive (as in actually microing them considering there was a full control group of MnM supporting those two valks) when he was pushing toward Jaedong's 9 o'clock, the game would have been very different indeed. Jaedong did not have enough group force to fight against MnM.


Yea even jaedong admitted that much. He said he made a ton of control errors and was very pissed at himself lol
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 19 2010 01:50 GMT
#2160
actually i disagree, i think hyuk would beat snow/movie
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