• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:49
CET 08:49
KST 16:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!42$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1030 users

[SPL] Playoffs - SK Telecom T1 vs CJ Entus, Day 1 - Page 6

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 90 Next
marder98k
Profile Joined April 2010
United States19 Posts
July 17 2010 03:42 GMT
#101
Predictions:

(T)Fantasy <Match Point> (P)Snow
(Z)Hyuk <Polaris Rhapsody> (P)Movie
(P)Bisu <New Heartbreak Ridge> (Z)EffOrt
(P)Best <Fighting Spirit> (T)Iris
(Z)s2 <Judgment Day> (Z)Hydra
(T)Canata <Fortress> (T)sKyHigh
(T)Fantasy <Grand Line SE> (Z)EffOrt
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
July 17 2010 03:44 GMT
#102
On July 17 2010 12:17 r33k wrote:

Fantasy's only chances of winning a game are against BByong, Hydra and Movie, his TvT has been as overrated as Hwasin's, SkyHigh ridiculized him at the beginning of the season by exploiting his "I only use scans vP" style and I think other CJ players will follow his example.



While I don't share your hope that Fantasy would be such an easy target, I wonder if CJ would indeed be gutsy enough to throw a (T)BByong curveball. He might be a better bet than Skyhigh for a non-vT match.

On the other hand, Skyhigh did very well last PL playoffs, and SKT1 could be fielding Canata instead of Soo anyway.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
July 17 2010 03:47 GMT
#103
On July 17 2010 12:37 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 12:17 r33k wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
To everyone automatically matching CJ players to maps, they quit the 1 player=1 map practice more than one year ago, on the other hand Movie was the player who extabilished how to play vs the zerg HBR 4scourge/6den/7muta build, so I wouldn't count him out, I'd blame part of his slump to the recent map pool which hasn't been favoring his style.

Fantasy's only chances of winning a game are against BByong, Hydra and Movie, his TvT has been as overrated as Hwasin's, SkyHigh ridiculized him at the beginning of the season by exploiting his "I only use scans vP" style and I think other CJ players will follow his example.

The SK zergs are big wildcards, Hyuk and Soo are both able to beat EffOrt whose ZvT lost a bit of brilliance recently.

Bisu has only shown style in his PvZs where he went for the modern 1star sair DT into goon/reaver bust, he is the guy with the most cards up his sleeve imo.

SK's terran legacy has pretty much crumbled to the absence of a second terran, Best has improved a lot and is now a medium-good player, the best thing for CJ would be to feed him Iris or have a fresh A-teamer outplay him before he gets his macro going.


Effort is good, Snow would pretty comfortably beat fantasy under any circumstance, especially since IdrA praised his intelligence along with his mechanics.

+ Show Spoiler +
From what I see it's going to be a big rock paper scissors game, at least we can expect interesting builds in most of the games except for possible ZvZs.

I'd favor Fantasy over Snow any day of the week. The rest of your analysis looks good though


I wouldn't favor any terran over Snow lol...
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
July 17 2010 03:48 GMT
#104
Ahh... MP is not a particularly good PvZ map at all. In fact, it's a remarkably balanced map where every race wins the matchup it's "supposed" to.

I must have confused it with something else.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 03:55:46
July 17 2010 03:51 GMT
#105
On July 17 2010 12:47 Spyfire242 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 12:37 Zato-1 wrote:
On July 17 2010 12:17 r33k wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
To everyone automatically matching CJ players to maps, they quit the 1 player=1 map practice more than one year ago, on the other hand Movie was the player who extabilished how to play vs the zerg HBR 4scourge/6den/7muta build, so I wouldn't count him out, I'd blame part of his slump to the recent map pool which hasn't been favoring his style.

Fantasy's only chances of winning a game are against BByong, Hydra and Movie, his TvT has been as overrated as Hwasin's, SkyHigh ridiculized him at the beginning of the season by exploiting his "I only use scans vP" style and I think other CJ players will follow his example.

The SK zergs are big wildcards, Hyuk and Soo are both able to beat EffOrt whose ZvT lost a bit of brilliance recently.

Bisu has only shown style in his PvZs where he went for the modern 1star sair DT into goon/reaver bust, he is the guy with the most cards up his sleeve imo.

SK's terran legacy has pretty much crumbled to the absence of a second terran, Best has improved a lot and is now a medium-good player, the best thing for CJ would be to feed him Iris or have a fresh A-teamer outplay him before he gets his macro going.


Effort is good, Snow would pretty comfortably beat fantasy under any circumstance, especially since IdrA praised his intelligence along with his mechanics.

+ Show Spoiler +
From what I see it's going to be a big rock paper scissors game, at least we can expect interesting builds in most of the games except for possible ZvZs.

I'd favor Fantasy over Snow any day of the week. The rest of your analysis looks good though


I wouldn't favor any terran over Snow lol...

I would've thought the same thing until he lost to Really in some macro games and a pretty bad loss to a timing attack against MVP.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
July 17 2010 03:58 GMT
#106
STARTING SOON, CJ GOGO!
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
July 17 2010 03:58 GMT
#107
GIVE ME GOOD GAMES PLEASE!
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
July 17 2010 03:59 GMT
#108
GO SKT! GO BISU! YEAAAAAA
Bisu is the man
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#109
http://tv.zeroboy.net/kentor with live updating scoreboard. might lag :\
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#110
This might be the last time I watch the proleague playoffs. In 1 year this could be sc2.
Please T1 win this for me!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 04:00:51
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#111
On July 17 2010 13:00 kNyTTyM wrote:
This might be the last time I watch the proleague playoffs. In 1 year this could be sc2.
Please T1 win this for me!

Hopefully not. Oh please no.

***

Alright, so a sober analysis of today's match-up while I wait.

I think there's a perception that the winner of this series will take on KT in the finals. I think that's somewhat accurate, MBC and STX both look weak, and I'm not convinced that BaBy is the ice-blooded finisher that Wemade has lacked for so long. So I think that the team that comes out of this match-up will have the right mix of experience and strength to make it to the finals. And I think KT fans should be worried about either of these two teams. CJ and SKT play with their heads, moreso than any other team, and while I think KT is hard to overmatch in terms of overall quality, CJ brings a mind game that has baffled KT so far this season, and SKT brings experience and the 'it' factor. So I think this is the crucial series in the playoffs, because I think a likely finalist, and possibly a champion will come out of it.

As a CJ fan, SKT worries me a great deal. SKT's play against CJ all season has been superlative, sort of the opposite of how CJ has dominated KT. Coach Park has matched Coach Cho with line-up selections, and so CJ is going to have to gut this victory out, and players are going to have to take unfamiliar match-ups. That said, they can certainly perform. I do think CJ has the most depth of any team in proleague, as evidenced by their Dream League victory, and their young line-up. But they've yet to produce a player who is as balanced in all their match-ups as EffOrt is, and that's worrysome. SH and Movie have done extremely well in their off match-ups on many occasions, but they're just as often terrible. Sometimes it's downright strange, and you've just got to cross your fingers.

Who they want to face:
(Z)EffOrt: Bisu, BeSt
(T)sKyHigh: fantasy, Canata,
(P)Movie: Bisu, Hyuk, s2
(P)Snow: fantasy, Bisu
(Z)Hydra: Hyuk, s2, Soo, Canata

(T)Fantasy: EffOrt, Movie
(P)Bisu: sKyHigh, Hydra
(P)BeSt: Movie, Snow, sKyHigh
(Z)Hyuk: EffOrt, Snow, sKyHigh
(Z)s2: sKyHigh, Snow

I think, which ever team we see getting their desired match-ups is the team that we can assume to win. But who ever knows? Last year, CJ was totally unpredictable, everyone was winning the ones you expected them to lose, and losing the ones you expected to win. And last year SKT beat Jaedong, and then coughed it up to get to an ace match.

So happy watching! Go CJ!
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#112
Aaaaaaand we're off!
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#113
I see empty seats
=/
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 17 2010 04:02 GMT
#114
hey I'm here tree.hugger, what do you want to bet?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 04:04:05
July 17 2010 04:03 GMT
#115
On July 17 2010 13:02 Zona wrote:
hey I'm here tree.hugger, what do you want to bet?

Yeah, on the series. CJ always loses day 1. Terms?

And it's GO time! (Anyone get it?)
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 17 2010 04:04 GMT
#116
On July 17 2010 13:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 13:02 Zona wrote:
hey I'm here tree.hugger, what do you want to bet?

Yeah, on the series. CJ always loses day 1. Terms?

And it's GO time! (Anyone get it?)


Everyone gets it.
Remember Violet.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
July 17 2010 04:04 GMT
#117
so this is on MBCgame, yay
POGGERS
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
July 17 2010 04:06 GMT
#118
Those faded orange shirts. Egads.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
July 17 2010 04:07 GMT
#119
go CJ!
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
July 17 2010 04:07 GMT
#120
Enough talk! Let the games begin!

... Knowmsayin'?
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 90 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 630
actioN 274
Sharp 42
NotJumperer 16
Dota 2
Gorgc1493
NeuroSwarm103
League of Legends
JimRising 1178
Counter-Strike
fl0m1005
Stewie2K689
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor128
Other Games
summit1g13006
WinterStarcraft416
ViBE119
goatrope52
Happy0
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL97
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH121
• Adnapsc2 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo2943
• Jankos2578
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2h 11m
WardiTV Korean Royale
4h 11m
LAN Event
7h 11m
ByuN vs Zoun
TBD vs TriGGeR
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
10h 11m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
12h 11m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Wardi Open
1d 4h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.