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[SPL] Playoffs - SK Telecom T1 vs CJ Entus, Day 1 - Page 6

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marder98k
Profile Joined April 2010
United States19 Posts
July 17 2010 03:42 GMT
#101
Predictions:

(T)Fantasy <Match Point> (P)Snow
(Z)Hyuk <Polaris Rhapsody> (P)Movie
(P)Bisu <New Heartbreak Ridge> (Z)EffOrt
(P)Best <Fighting Spirit> (T)Iris
(Z)s2 <Judgment Day> (Z)Hydra
(T)Canata <Fortress> (T)sKyHigh
(T)Fantasy <Grand Line SE> (Z)EffOrt
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
July 17 2010 03:44 GMT
#102
On July 17 2010 12:17 r33k wrote:

Fantasy's only chances of winning a game are against BByong, Hydra and Movie, his TvT has been as overrated as Hwasin's, SkyHigh ridiculized him at the beginning of the season by exploiting his "I only use scans vP" style and I think other CJ players will follow his example.



While I don't share your hope that Fantasy would be such an easy target, I wonder if CJ would indeed be gutsy enough to throw a (T)BByong curveball. He might be a better bet than Skyhigh for a non-vT match.

On the other hand, Skyhigh did very well last PL playoffs, and SKT1 could be fielding Canata instead of Soo anyway.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
July 17 2010 03:47 GMT
#103
On July 17 2010 12:37 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 12:17 r33k wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
To everyone automatically matching CJ players to maps, they quit the 1 player=1 map practice more than one year ago, on the other hand Movie was the player who extabilished how to play vs the zerg HBR 4scourge/6den/7muta build, so I wouldn't count him out, I'd blame part of his slump to the recent map pool which hasn't been favoring his style.

Fantasy's only chances of winning a game are against BByong, Hydra and Movie, his TvT has been as overrated as Hwasin's, SkyHigh ridiculized him at the beginning of the season by exploiting his "I only use scans vP" style and I think other CJ players will follow his example.

The SK zergs are big wildcards, Hyuk and Soo are both able to beat EffOrt whose ZvT lost a bit of brilliance recently.

Bisu has only shown style in his PvZs where he went for the modern 1star sair DT into goon/reaver bust, he is the guy with the most cards up his sleeve imo.

SK's terran legacy has pretty much crumbled to the absence of a second terran, Best has improved a lot and is now a medium-good player, the best thing for CJ would be to feed him Iris or have a fresh A-teamer outplay him before he gets his macro going.


Effort is good, Snow would pretty comfortably beat fantasy under any circumstance, especially since IdrA praised his intelligence along with his mechanics.

+ Show Spoiler +
From what I see it's going to be a big rock paper scissors game, at least we can expect interesting builds in most of the games except for possible ZvZs.

I'd favor Fantasy over Snow any day of the week. The rest of your analysis looks good though


I wouldn't favor any terran over Snow lol...
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
July 17 2010 03:48 GMT
#104
Ahh... MP is not a particularly good PvZ map at all. In fact, it's a remarkably balanced map where every race wins the matchup it's "supposed" to.

I must have confused it with something else.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 03:55:46
July 17 2010 03:51 GMT
#105
On July 17 2010 12:47 Spyfire242 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 12:37 Zato-1 wrote:
On July 17 2010 12:17 r33k wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
To everyone automatically matching CJ players to maps, they quit the 1 player=1 map practice more than one year ago, on the other hand Movie was the player who extabilished how to play vs the zerg HBR 4scourge/6den/7muta build, so I wouldn't count him out, I'd blame part of his slump to the recent map pool which hasn't been favoring his style.

Fantasy's only chances of winning a game are against BByong, Hydra and Movie, his TvT has been as overrated as Hwasin's, SkyHigh ridiculized him at the beginning of the season by exploiting his "I only use scans vP" style and I think other CJ players will follow his example.

The SK zergs are big wildcards, Hyuk and Soo are both able to beat EffOrt whose ZvT lost a bit of brilliance recently.

Bisu has only shown style in his PvZs where he went for the modern 1star sair DT into goon/reaver bust, he is the guy with the most cards up his sleeve imo.

SK's terran legacy has pretty much crumbled to the absence of a second terran, Best has improved a lot and is now a medium-good player, the best thing for CJ would be to feed him Iris or have a fresh A-teamer outplay him before he gets his macro going.


Effort is good, Snow would pretty comfortably beat fantasy under any circumstance, especially since IdrA praised his intelligence along with his mechanics.

+ Show Spoiler +
From what I see it's going to be a big rock paper scissors game, at least we can expect interesting builds in most of the games except for possible ZvZs.

I'd favor Fantasy over Snow any day of the week. The rest of your analysis looks good though


I wouldn't favor any terran over Snow lol...

I would've thought the same thing until he lost to Really in some macro games and a pretty bad loss to a timing attack against MVP.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
July 17 2010 03:58 GMT
#106
STARTING SOON, CJ GOGO!
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
July 17 2010 03:58 GMT
#107
GIVE ME GOOD GAMES PLEASE!
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
July 17 2010 03:59 GMT
#108
GO SKT! GO BISU! YEAAAAAA
Bisu is the man
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#109
http://tv.zeroboy.net/kentor with live updating scoreboard. might lag :\
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#110
This might be the last time I watch the proleague playoffs. In 1 year this could be sc2.
Please T1 win this for me!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 04:00:51
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#111
On July 17 2010 13:00 kNyTTyM wrote:
This might be the last time I watch the proleague playoffs. In 1 year this could be sc2.
Please T1 win this for me!

Hopefully not. Oh please no.

***

Alright, so a sober analysis of today's match-up while I wait.

I think there's a perception that the winner of this series will take on KT in the finals. I think that's somewhat accurate, MBC and STX both look weak, and I'm not convinced that BaBy is the ice-blooded finisher that Wemade has lacked for so long. So I think that the team that comes out of this match-up will have the right mix of experience and strength to make it to the finals. And I think KT fans should be worried about either of these two teams. CJ and SKT play with their heads, moreso than any other team, and while I think KT is hard to overmatch in terms of overall quality, CJ brings a mind game that has baffled KT so far this season, and SKT brings experience and the 'it' factor. So I think this is the crucial series in the playoffs, because I think a likely finalist, and possibly a champion will come out of it.

As a CJ fan, SKT worries me a great deal. SKT's play against CJ all season has been superlative, sort of the opposite of how CJ has dominated KT. Coach Park has matched Coach Cho with line-up selections, and so CJ is going to have to gut this victory out, and players are going to have to take unfamiliar match-ups. That said, they can certainly perform. I do think CJ has the most depth of any team in proleague, as evidenced by their Dream League victory, and their young line-up. But they've yet to produce a player who is as balanced in all their match-ups as EffOrt is, and that's worrysome. SH and Movie have done extremely well in their off match-ups on many occasions, but they're just as often terrible. Sometimes it's downright strange, and you've just got to cross your fingers.

Who they want to face:
(Z)EffOrt: Bisu, BeSt
(T)sKyHigh: fantasy, Canata,
(P)Movie: Bisu, Hyuk, s2
(P)Snow: fantasy, Bisu
(Z)Hydra: Hyuk, s2, Soo, Canata

(T)Fantasy: EffOrt, Movie
(P)Bisu: sKyHigh, Hydra
(P)BeSt: Movie, Snow, sKyHigh
(Z)Hyuk: EffOrt, Snow, sKyHigh
(Z)s2: sKyHigh, Snow

I think, which ever team we see getting their desired match-ups is the team that we can assume to win. But who ever knows? Last year, CJ was totally unpredictable, everyone was winning the ones you expected them to lose, and losing the ones you expected to win. And last year SKT beat Jaedong, and then coughed it up to get to an ace match.

So happy watching! Go CJ!
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#112
Aaaaaaand we're off!
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#113
I see empty seats
=/
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 17 2010 04:02 GMT
#114
hey I'm here tree.hugger, what do you want to bet?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 04:04:05
July 17 2010 04:03 GMT
#115
On July 17 2010 13:02 Zona wrote:
hey I'm here tree.hugger, what do you want to bet?

Yeah, on the series. CJ always loses day 1. Terms?

And it's GO time! (Anyone get it?)
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 17 2010 04:04 GMT
#116
On July 17 2010 13:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 13:02 Zona wrote:
hey I'm here tree.hugger, what do you want to bet?

Yeah, on the series. CJ always loses day 1. Terms?

And it's GO time! (Anyone get it?)


Everyone gets it.
Remember Violet.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66160 Posts
July 17 2010 04:04 GMT
#117
so this is on MBCgame, yay
POGGERS
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
July 17 2010 04:06 GMT
#118
Those faded orange shirts. Egads.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
July 17 2010 04:07 GMT
#119
go CJ!
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
July 17 2010 04:07 GMT
#120
Enough talk! Let the games begin!

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