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Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
July 09 2010 17:14 GMT
#821
quick description on the baby vs hydra games plz
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
nonduc
Profile Joined May 2009
Russian Federation405 Posts
July 09 2010 17:25 GMT
#822
On July 10 2010 02:10 Skillz_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 00:43 lone_hydra wrote:
OMFG EPIC! All 4 kings are in OSL. When the fuck was the last time this happened? Never? Most stacked Ro16 since god knows when. Damn you Hydra and Pure, wasting slots of an epic OSL. -_-


Batoo OSL I think,

Group A: bisu, yarnc and scrubs
Group B: hero, fanta
Group C: stork, flash, noobies
Group D: jaedong, GGplay, luxury

I just went off memory but that was an interesting OSL

Group A: Bisu, Stork, YellOw[ArnC], and July
Group B: FanTaSy, hero, Leta, Tester
Group C: Hwasin, BeSt, UpMaGiC, and Flash
Group D: Jaedong, Luxury, GGplay, and Kal
티라노사저그 렉스 화이팅~!
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
July 09 2010 17:27 GMT
#823
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
July 09 2010 18:42 GMT
#824
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 09 2010 19:41 GMT
#825
Phew. Thank god Jaedong. I was worried after his last PL series. Movie is a solid opponent too.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 09 2010 19:55 GMT
#826
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .
maneatingshoe
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada484 Posts
July 09 2010 20:17 GMT
#827
Baby D: (n)
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 09 2010 21:47 GMT
#828
So like, i hope you guys know that Hydra is actually REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLY good.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
July 09 2010 22:07 GMT
#829
WHOOO! Stork Byung GoOoOooo! DinoStomper of Terran! So happy Have not been interested in SC Pro Scene lately coz Stork not in PL and only in OSL :<. Glad to see him advance.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
July 09 2010 22:48 GMT
#830
On July 10 2010 02:14 Mortician wrote:
quick description on the baby vs hydra games plz

+ Show Spoiler +
Game 1: Ling runby into mutaling was stupidly effective
Game 2: Cheese. Make that failed cheese.


All their games were terrible. I wouldn't bother watching it if I were you.
Liquipedia
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-11 23:54:36
July 09 2010 23:46 GMT
#831
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8182 Posts
July 10 2010 00:13 GMT
#832
oh man jd vs movie was such hard rape. kal might as well just forfeit his MSL matches right now and save himself the effort of "practicing" for it.
Free Palestine
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8182 Posts
July 10 2010 00:14 GMT
#833
also there BETTER be a bisu/flash/stork/jaedong Ro16 group. everyone would flip so much shit if that happened lol
Free Palestine
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 00:39:37
July 10 2010 00:39 GMT
#834
On July 10 2010 08:46 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else. They might as call it the "Movie build".

Wait are you serious? I don't mean to be rude, but is it that whenever some great fantastic super awesome idea suddenly pops into your head and you just decide it's time to enlighten the world. I normally don't comment on things like this, but this literally makes my head hurt. Like, maybe it's just that I'm not able to fathom the infinite depths of your wisdom or something, but here's my interpretation of what you're saying:
There's some Protoss named Movie. He's a pretty chill guy. He has his own build. It's called the "Movie build." He made it up himself. That's why it's named after him. So this ballin dude goes and starts bashing Zergs left and right with his "Movie build." Even Jaedong gets his face smashed. But then, this Messiah of Zerg comes. His name is by.great, and he's a genius ZvPer. He goes and gathers all the face smashed Zergs and goes, "Yo, I just figured out how the beat the Movie build. You have to deny him the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defensive wall, and deny him an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Move likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment." The other Zergs suddenly have a new outlook on the matchup. "Thanks for teaching us how to sim city!" they say. "Now Movie's early game zealot and archon harassment will be nullified because I'll have a nice and tight wall to stop it!"
So Jaedong, ever the workaholic, steals all the by.great and hoejja reps he can find, and by doing so acquires the ability to counter the "Movie build." And Movie, being a huge dummy, keeps insisting on doing the "Movie build" even though all the other Zergs already know how to hard counter it thanks to the work of by.great. But that's not all! Protosses like Jangbi and Bisu have also been watching from afar! They saw how all the other Zergs were so busy changing up their play style to counter the awesome force that is the "Movie build" so they in turn made up a "counter-counter Movie build," and using it beat both Jaedong and the almighty hoejja. So now, you can pretty much sum up ZvP as follows: Movie uses the "Movie build" which consists of zealot archon harassment. Zergs use the "counter Movie build" which features a super awesome sim city introduced by by.great. Jangbi and Bisu use the "counter-counter Movie build" which somehow counters sim cities. And all the other Protoss just dodge PvZ or something.
Does that sound about right?
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 10 2010 00:49 GMT
#835
On July 10 2010 09:39 Saracen wrote:
Wait are you serious? I don't mean to be rude, but is it that whenever some great fantastic super awesome idea suddenly pops into your head and you just decide it's time to enlighten the world. I normally don't comment on things like this, but this literally makes my head hurt.


Is it bad that I knew who wrote what you were responding to just by reading this? Like I should take some time off TL or something.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 00:57:32
July 10 2010 00:49 GMT
#836
Well it would've been plausible if Jaedong or Movie used the same builds in both games, or if Jaedong always uses the same build in ZvP, or he actually described this counter-counter Movie build, or if he cited evidence of these great new builds beyond four games before establishing them as a counter.

Who is he trying to be, I'm confused now Idra?
You know Harem and Evo, you guys are going to make me stop posting out of embarrassment x2
Jaedong
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:07:31
July 10 2010 01:03 GMT
#837
On July 10 2010 09:39 Saracen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 08:46 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else. They might as call it the "Movie build".

Wait are you serious? I don't mean to be rude, but is it that whenever some great fantastic super awesome idea suddenly pops into your head and you just decide it's time to enlighten the world. I normally don't comment on things like this, but this literally makes my head hurt. Like, maybe it's just that I'm not able to fathom the infinite depths of your wisdom or something, but here's my interpretation of what you're saying:
There's some Protoss named Movie. He's a pretty chill guy. He has his own build. It's called the "Movie build." He made it up himself. That's why it's named after him. So this ballin dude goes and starts bashing Zergs left and right with his "Movie build." Even Jaedong gets his face smashed. But then, this Messiah of Zerg comes. His name is by.great, and he's a genius ZvPer. He goes and gathers all the face smashed Zergs and goes, "Yo, I just figured out how the beat the Movie build. You have to deny him the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defensive wall, and deny him an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Move likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment." The other Zergs suddenly have a new outlook on the matchup. "Thanks for teaching us how to sim city!" they say. "Now Movie's early game zealot and archon harassment will be nullified because I'll have a nice and tight wall to stop it!"
So Jaedong, ever the workaholic, steals all the by.great and hoejja reps he can find, and by doing so acquires the ability to counter the "Movie build." And Movie, being a huge dummy, keeps insisting on doing the "Movie build" even though all the other Zergs already know how to hard counter it thanks to the work of by.great. But that's not all! Protosses like Jangbi and Bisu have also been watching from afar! They saw how all the other Zergs were so busy changing up their play style to counter the awesome force that is the "Movie build" so they in turn made up a "counter-counter Movie build," and using it beat both Jaedong and the almighty hoejja. So now, you can pretty much sum up ZvP as follows: Movie uses the "Movie build" which consists of zealot archon harassment. Zergs use the "counter Movie build" which features a super awesome sim city introduced by by.great. Jangbi and Bisu use the "counter-counter Movie build" which somehow counters sim cities. And all the other Protoss just dodge PvZ or something.
Does that sound about right?


Obviously you are being rude, so quit with the sarcasm.

Never implied I was enlightening everyone, actually I never knew a defensive wall was called sim city. But sim city is the best way to counter, Movie. Jaedong obviously studied Movie's defeats to Hoejja and Great, and Movie did a similar built when he defeated Zero in the EVER 2009 OSL. I don't know what games Jaedong watched, but he obviously studied something. He notices Movie likes to use archons for anti-air, and he used his muta-micro to his fullest in game 1. And where is your reading comprehension, I never said Movie had his own build, I said zergs have their own build to particularly counter movie. I'm pretty sure most zergs recognized movie as a dangerous pvz sniper, of course zergs don't see him that much of a threat since losing to great (an average zerg).

Jangbi and Bisu know how to counter sim-city, while Movie doesn't. And Movie obviously did other bone headed mistakes.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 10 2010 01:04 GMT
#838
On July 10 2010 08:46 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else. They might as call it the "Movie build".

What in the fucking world are you on about. The Zerg ZvP simcity was originated by Shark on a game in Destination and has been around since. I have no idea where in the world you got any of this from. It makes no sense. It's so nonsensical that it actually makes my head hurt.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 10 2010 01:09 GMT
#839
On July 10 2010 10:03 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 09:39 Saracen wrote:
On July 10 2010 08:46 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else. They might as call it the "Movie build".

Wait are you serious? I don't mean to be rude, but is it that whenever some great fantastic super awesome idea suddenly pops into your head and you just decide it's time to enlighten the world. I normally don't comment on things like this, but this literally makes my head hurt. Like, maybe it's just that I'm not able to fathom the infinite depths of your wisdom or something, but here's my interpretation of what you're saying:
There's some Protoss named Movie. He's a pretty chill guy. He has his own build. It's called the "Movie build." He made it up himself. That's why it's named after him. So this ballin dude goes and starts bashing Zergs left and right with his "Movie build." Even Jaedong gets his face smashed. But then, this Messiah of Zerg comes. His name is by.great, and he's a genius ZvPer. He goes and gathers all the face smashed Zergs and goes, "Yo, I just figured out how the beat the Movie build. You have to deny him the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defensive wall, and deny him an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Move likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment." The other Zergs suddenly have a new outlook on the matchup. "Thanks for teaching us how to sim city!" they say. "Now Movie's early game zealot and archon harassment will be nullified because I'll have a nice and tight wall to stop it!"
So Jaedong, ever the workaholic, steals all the by.great and hoejja reps he can find, and by doing so acquires the ability to counter the "Movie build." And Movie, being a huge dummy, keeps insisting on doing the "Movie build" even though all the other Zergs already know how to hard counter it thanks to the work of by.great. But that's not all! Protosses like Jangbi and Bisu have also been watching from afar! They saw how all the other Zergs were so busy changing up their play style to counter the awesome force that is the "Movie build" so they in turn made up a "counter-counter Movie build," and using it beat both Jaedong and the almighty hoejja. So now, you can pretty much sum up ZvP as follows: Movie uses the "Movie build" which consists of zealot archon harassment. Zergs use the "counter Movie build" which features a super awesome sim city introduced by by.great. Jangbi and Bisu use the "counter-counter Movie build" which somehow counters sim cities. And all the other Protoss just dodge PvZ or something.
Does that sound about right?


Obviously you are being rude, so quit with the sarcasm.

Never implied I was enlightening everyone, actually I never knew a defensive wall was called sim city. But sim city is the best way to counter, Movie. Jaedong obviously studied Movie's defeats to Hoejja and Great, and Movie did a similar built when he defeated Zero in the EVER 2009 OSL. I don't know what games Jaedong watched, but he obviously studied something. He notices Movie likes to use archons for anti-air, and he used his muta-micro to his fullest in game 1. And where is your reading comprehension, I never said Movie had his own build, I said zergs have their own build to particularly counter movie. I'm pretty sure most zergs recognized movie as a dangerous pvz sniper, of course zergs don't see him that much of a threat since losing to great (an average zerg).

Jangbi and Bisu know how to counter sim-city, while Movie doesn't. And Movie obvioulsly did some other mistakes to why he lost to Jaedong.

What the FUCKKKKKK are you on about. Simcity is STANDARD. It is used by every Zerg against every goddamned Protoss in every goddamned game in every goddamned map. The FUCK are you on about. Every protoss has used archons as a countermeasure to mutalisks to some extent in their careers and this is normal. Obviously citing older games is useless to you as you think that Zerg simcity was originated from great (ROFL).

and rofl at "Movie doesn't know how to counter simcity" when Movie's game against Jaedong on HBR using 4gate goons is one of Movie's most famous games.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:14:40
July 10 2010 01:14 GMT
#840
On July 10 2010 10:09 koreasilver wrote:
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On July 10 2010 10:03 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 09:39 Saracen wrote:
On July 10 2010 08:46 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else. They might as call it the "Movie build".

Wait are you serious? I don't mean to be rude, but is it that whenever some great fantastic super awesome idea suddenly pops into your head and you just decide it's time to enlighten the world. I normally don't comment on things like this, but this literally makes my head hurt. Like, maybe it's just that I'm not able to fathom the infinite depths of your wisdom or something, but here's my interpretation of what you're saying:
There's some Protoss named Movie. He's a pretty chill guy. He has his own build. It's called the "Movie build." He made it up himself. That's why it's named after him. So this ballin dude goes and starts bashing Zergs left and right with his "Movie build." Even Jaedong gets his face smashed. But then, this Messiah of Zerg comes. His name is by.great, and he's a genius ZvPer. He goes and gathers all the face smashed Zergs and goes, "Yo, I just figured out how the beat the Movie build. You have to deny him the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defensive wall, and deny him an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Move likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment." The other Zergs suddenly have a new outlook on the matchup. "Thanks for teaching us how to sim city!" they say. "Now Movie's early game zealot and archon harassment will be nullified because I'll have a nice and tight wall to stop it!"
So Jaedong, ever the workaholic, steals all the by.great and hoejja reps he can find, and by doing so acquires the ability to counter the "Movie build." And Movie, being a huge dummy, keeps insisting on doing the "Movie build" even though all the other Zergs already know how to hard counter it thanks to the work of by.great. But that's not all! Protosses like Jangbi and Bisu have also been watching from afar! They saw how all the other Zergs were so busy changing up their play style to counter the awesome force that is the "Movie build" so they in turn made up a "counter-counter Movie build," and using it beat both Jaedong and the almighty hoejja. So now, you can pretty much sum up ZvP as follows: Movie uses the "Movie build" which consists of zealot archon harassment. Zergs use the "counter Movie build" which features a super awesome sim city introduced by by.great. Jangbi and Bisu use the "counter-counter Movie build" which somehow counters sim cities. And all the other Protoss just dodge PvZ or something.
Does that sound about right?


Obviously you are being rude, so quit with the sarcasm.

Never implied I was enlightening everyone, actually I never knew a defensive wall was called sim city. But sim city is the best way to counter, Movie. Jaedong obviously studied Movie's defeats to Hoejja and Great, and Movie did a similar built when he defeated Zero in the EVER 2009 OSL. I don't know what games Jaedong watched, but he obviously studied something. He notices Movie likes to use archons for anti-air, and he used his muta-micro to his fullest in game 1. And where is your reading comprehension, I never said Movie had his own build, I said zergs have their own build to particularly counter movie. I'm pretty sure most zergs recognized movie as a dangerous pvz sniper, of course zergs don't see him that much of a threat since losing to great (an average zerg).

Jangbi and Bisu know how to counter sim-city, while Movie doesn't. And Movie obvioulsly did some other mistakes to why he lost to Jaedong.

What the FUCKKKKKK are you on about. Simcity is STANDARD. It is used by every Zerg against every goddamned Protoss in every goddamned game in every goddamned map. The FUCK are you on about. Every protoss has used archons as a countermeasure to mutalisks to some extent in their careers and this is normal. Obviously citing older games is useless to you as you think that Zerg simcity was originated from great (ROFL).

and rofl at "Movie doesn't know how to counter simcity" when Movie's game against Jaedong on HBR using 4gate goons is one of Movie's most famous games.


I never said simicity originated from Great or I never meant to say that. I just said that Great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
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