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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 10 2010 01:16 GMT
#841
The blueprint that is implied to be simcity.

But sim city is the best way to counter, Movie.


That's just the worst of the offenses anyway. The entirety of both of your posts are entirely nonsensical.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 10 2010 01:20 GMT
#842
On July 10 2010 10:03 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 09:39 Saracen wrote:
On July 10 2010 08:46 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else. They might as call it the "Movie build".

Wait are you serious? I don't mean to be rude, but is it that whenever some great fantastic super awesome idea suddenly pops into your head and you just decide it's time to enlighten the world. I normally don't comment on things like this, but this literally makes my head hurt. Like, maybe it's just that I'm not able to fathom the infinite depths of your wisdom or something, but here's my interpretation of what you're saying:
There's some Protoss named Movie. He's a pretty chill guy. He has his own build. It's called the "Movie build." He made it up himself. That's why it's named after him. So this ballin dude goes and starts bashing Zergs left and right with his "Movie build." Even Jaedong gets his face smashed. But then, this Messiah of Zerg comes. His name is by.great, and he's a genius ZvPer. He goes and gathers all the face smashed Zergs and goes, "Yo, I just figured out how the beat the Movie build. You have to deny him the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defensive wall, and deny him an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Move likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment." The other Zergs suddenly have a new outlook on the matchup. "Thanks for teaching us how to sim city!" they say. "Now Movie's early game zealot and archon harassment will be nullified because I'll have a nice and tight wall to stop it!"
So Jaedong, ever the workaholic, steals all the by.great and hoejja reps he can find, and by doing so acquires the ability to counter the "Movie build." And Movie, being a huge dummy, keeps insisting on doing the "Movie build" even though all the other Zergs already know how to hard counter it thanks to the work of by.great. But that's not all! Protosses like Jangbi and Bisu have also been watching from afar! They saw how all the other Zergs were so busy changing up their play style to counter the awesome force that is the "Movie build" so they in turn made up a "counter-counter Movie build," and using it beat both Jaedong and the almighty hoejja. So now, you can pretty much sum up ZvP as follows: Movie uses the "Movie build" which consists of zealot archon harassment. Zergs use the "counter Movie build" which features a super awesome sim city introduced by by.great. Jangbi and Bisu use the "counter-counter Movie build" which somehow counters sim cities. And all the other Protoss just dodge PvZ or something.
Does that sound about right?


Obviously you are being rude, so quit with the sarcasm.

Never implied I was enlightening everyone, actually I never knew a defensive wall was called sim city. But sim city is the best way to counter, Movie. Jaedong obviously studied Movie's defeats to Hoejja and Great, and Movie did a similar built when he defeated Zero in the EVER 2009 OSL. I don't know what games Jaedong watched, but he obviously studied something. He notices Movie likes to use archons for anti-air, and he used his muta-micro to his fullest in game 1. And where is your reading comprehension, I never said Movie had his own build, I said zergs have their own build to particularly counter movie. I'm pretty sure most zergs recognized movie as a dangerous pvz sniper, of course zergs don't see him that much of a threat since losing to great (an average zerg).

Jangbi and Bisu know how to counter sim-city, while Movie doesn't. And Movie obviously did other bone headed mistakes.


Uh, movie did the exact same thing against Jaedong on Byzantium 3 during the Avalon MSL, and Jaedong countered with the exact same thing (game 1 in this series). This happened before EVER 2009, so I have no idea what rock you are smoking when you say things like "great and hoejja (two really amazing zergs, btw, revolutionary) laid the blueprint to beating movie." I think almost everyone here knows what a zerg wall is, so try not to sound like some omniscient force revealing the light for us simpletons.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
July 10 2010 01:23 GMT
#843
I request that FireguyX have his name changed to FireGuy><.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:25:02
July 10 2010 01:23 GMT
#844
great and hoejja: the light that illuminates the Zerg race.

screw Jaedong, Effort, and Zero that everyone else thinks and has evidence for leading ZvP trends!
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 06:14:45
July 10 2010 01:25 GMT
#845
On July 10 2010 10:20 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 10:03 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 09:39 Saracen wrote:
On July 10 2010 08:46 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else. They might as call it the "Movie build".

Wait are you serious? I don't mean to be rude, but is it that whenever some great fantastic super awesome idea suddenly pops into your head and you just decide it's time to enlighten the world. I normally don't comment on things like this, but this literally makes my head hurt. Like, maybe it's just that I'm not able to fathom the infinite depths of your wisdom or something, but here's my interpretation of what you're saying:
There's some Protoss named Movie. He's a pretty chill guy. He has his own build. It's called the "Movie build." He made it up himself. That's why it's named after him. So this ballin dude goes and starts bashing Zergs left and right with his "Movie build." Even Jaedong gets his face smashed. But then, this Messiah of Zerg comes. His name is by.great, and he's a genius ZvPer. He goes and gathers all the face smashed Zergs and goes, "Yo, I just figured out how the beat the Movie build. You have to deny him the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defensive wall, and deny him an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Move likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment." The other Zergs suddenly have a new outlook on the matchup. "Thanks for teaching us how to sim city!" they say. "Now Movie's early game zealot and archon harassment will be nullified because I'll have a nice and tight wall to stop it!"
So Jaedong, ever the workaholic, steals all the by.great and hoejja reps he can find, and by doing so acquires the ability to counter the "Movie build." And Movie, being a huge dummy, keeps insisting on doing the "Movie build" even though all the other Zergs already know how to hard counter it thanks to the work of by.great. But that's not all! Protosses like Jangbi and Bisu have also been watching from afar! They saw how all the other Zergs were so busy changing up their play style to counter the awesome force that is the "Movie build" so they in turn made up a "counter-counter Movie build," and using it beat both Jaedong and the almighty hoejja. So now, you can pretty much sum up ZvP as follows: Movie uses the "Movie build" which consists of zealot archon harassment. Zergs use the "counter Movie build" which features a super awesome sim city introduced by by.great. Jangbi and Bisu use the "counter-counter Movie build" which somehow counters sim cities. And all the other Protoss just dodge PvZ or something.
Does that sound about right?


Obviously you are being rude, so quit with the sarcasm.

Never implied I was enlightening everyone, actually I never knew a defensive wall was called sim city. But sim city is the best way to counter, Movie. Jaedong obviously studied Movie's defeats to Hoejja and Great, and Movie did a similar built when he defeated Zero in the EVER 2009 OSL. I don't know what games Jaedong watched, but he obviously studied something. He notices Movie likes to use archons for anti-air, and he used his muta-micro to his fullest in game 1. And where is your reading comprehension, I never said Movie had his own build, I said zergs have their own build to particularly counter movie. I'm pretty sure most zergs recognized movie as a dangerous pvz sniper, of course zergs don't see him that much of a threat since losing to great (an average zerg).

Jangbi and Bisu know how to counter sim-city, while Movie doesn't. And Movie obviously did other bone headed mistakes.


Uh, movie did the exact same thing against Jaedong on Byzantium 3 during the Avalon MSL, and Jaedong countered with the exact same thing (game 1 in this series). This happened before EVER 2009, so I have no idea what rock you are smoking when you say things like "great and hoejja (two really amazing zergs, btw, revolutionary) laid the blueprint to beating movie." I think almost everyone here knows what a zerg wall is, so try not to sound like some omniscient force revealing the light for us simpletons.


lol almost everyone in TL knows I know less of the mechanics and everything of SC then everyone here. Also almost everyone knows I'm bias towards Movie, so I try to discredit Jaedong's win.

And I remember the games from the Avalon MSL, the builds and how Jaedong played against Movie were different.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 10 2010 01:26 GMT
#846
lol damage control
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:34:34
July 10 2010 01:30 GMT
#847
So yes I admit, I'm basically dumb when it comes to SC, but I analyze and post anyway.

I dunno, that's pretty damaging.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
July 10 2010 01:33 GMT
#848
On July 10 2010 10:26 koreasilver wrote:
lol damage control


I don't give a fuck if I know less of SC then everyone here. Knowing the basics of pro sc is not my priority.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:36:19
July 10 2010 01:35 GMT
#849
And yet you try to make yourself seem like you understood the game. That's quite an uninteresting cop-out. There's a difference between having an interest in a certain subject and trying to make it look like you know an objective truth about a subject when you have no idea what in the world you are talking about.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
July 10 2010 01:38 GMT
#850
On July 10 2010 10:35 koreasilver wrote:
And yet you try to make yourself seem like you understood the game. That's quite an uninteresting cop-out.

On February 19 2010 19:13 FireGuyX wrote:
I question Guemchi's game sense against zergs, why did he choose sair/reaver on a short distance to the opponent? He should have massed up high templars.


On February 01 2010 22:55 FireGuyX wrote:
I don't even know what a 9-pool is other then the fact that's its' a zergling rush.

These two posts combined together.

Hm.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:41:27
July 10 2010 01:40 GMT
#851
On July 10 2010 10:35 koreasilver wrote:
And yet you try to make yourself seem like you understood the game. That's quite an uninteresting cop-out. There's a difference between having an interest in a certain subject and trying to make it look like you know an objective truth about a subject when you have no idea what in the world you are talking about.


I understand the game, and I know what's going on, I just don't know the terms of pro-sc.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
July 10 2010 01:41 GMT
#852
On July 10 2010 10:38 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 10:35 koreasilver wrote:
And yet you try to make yourself seem like you understood the game. That's quite an uninteresting cop-out.

Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 19:13 FireGuyX wrote:
I question Guemchi's game sense against zergs, why did he choose sair/reaver on a short distance to the opponent? He should have massed up high templars.


Show nested quote +
On February 01 2010 22:55 FireGuyX wrote:
I don't even know what a 9-pool is other then the fact that's its' a zergling rush.

These two posts combined together.

Hm.


9-pool is a creating a pool at the 9th drone right?
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:42:28
July 10 2010 01:42 GMT
#853
There are plenty of TL users who don't know much about the basics of Broodwar, but few of them advertise their ignorance on such a consistent basis. If you can't contribute to the forum in a positive way, at least offer it the gift of your absence.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:46:25
July 10 2010 01:42 GMT
#854
On July 10 2010 10:40 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 10:35 koreasilver wrote:
And yet you try to make yourself seem like you understood the game. That's quite an uninteresting cop-out. There's a difference between having an interest in a certain subject and trying to make it look like you know an objective truth about a subject when you have no idea what in the world you are talking about.


I understand the game, and I know what's going on, I just don't know the terms of pro-sc.

No, no you don't understand the game. The issue with your two earlier posts wasn't about an ignorance of terminology. If you think that our criticism was with your terminology then I'm just going to have to turn around the accusation of a lack of reading comprehension that you gave to another poster earlier upon your own head.

Basically, just don't claim objectivity in shit that you don't understand. Talk about it, ask about it, question, inquire, watch, study, etc., w/e the fuck you want to do but don't go around talking about shit like you know about it when you don't. It is absolutely irritating and it misleads newcomers.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 04:54:19
July 10 2010 01:46 GMT
#855
On July 10 2010 10:42 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 10:40 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 10:35 koreasilver wrote:
And yet you try to make yourself seem like you understood the game. That's quite an uninteresting cop-out. There's a difference between having an interest in a certain subject and trying to make it look like you know an objective truth about a subject when you have no idea what in the world you are talking about.


I understand the game, and I know what's going on, I just don't know the terms of pro-sc.

No, no you don't understand the game. The issue with your two earlier posts wasn't about an ignorance of terminology. If you think that our criticism was with your terminology then I'm just going to have to turn around the accusation of a lack of reading comprehension that you gave to another poster earlier upon your own head.


lol don't over-analyze my arguments. I understand the game, not as fully as most TL users, but I understand the game.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 10 2010 01:47 GMT
#856
No, you do not understand the game.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
July 10 2010 01:47 GMT
#857
On July 10 2010 10:47 koreasilver wrote:
No, you do not understand the game.


That's your opinion.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 10 2010 01:48 GMT
#858
On July 10 2010 10:25 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 10:20 setzer wrote:
On July 10 2010 10:03 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 09:39 Saracen wrote:
On July 10 2010 08:46 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
On July 10 2010 03:42 luckybeni2 wrote:
On July 10 2010 02:27 Garaman wrote:
On July 09 2010 20:15 IdrA wrote:
On July 09 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote:
movie can't pvz to save his life =/. I'm going to watch though, but I don't have high hopes haha

you dont actually watch starcraft do you


i concur.
i cant believe this is our power rank writer.
lol

Movie clearly supported his statement today. He had a few weaks were he was a strong player but he is far past his peak.


Still there are far worse PvZers then movie . Besides Jaedong will make most protoss look like B-teamers . Remember that people were thinking that Tyson had good PvZ and he was raped bader then Movie was .



(Z)great layed out the blueprint on how to beat Movie, which is deny Movie the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defense wall, and deny Movie an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Movie likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment.

Jaedong obviously studied what Great and Hoejja did, and it amazes me how Movie failed to adapt to his weakness in PvZ. Jangbi and Bisu saw Movie's weakness and they were able to counter what zergs are able to do against Movie. Jangbi recently beat Hoejja, and Bisu recently beat Jaedong.

Zergs nowadays usually do a built similar to what Jaedong did against Movie or play mind games with him and do something else. They might as call it the "Movie build".

Wait are you serious? I don't mean to be rude, but is it that whenever some great fantastic super awesome idea suddenly pops into your head and you just decide it's time to enlighten the world. I normally don't comment on things like this, but this literally makes my head hurt. Like, maybe it's just that I'm not able to fathom the infinite depths of your wisdom or something, but here's my interpretation of what you're saying:
There's some Protoss named Movie. He's a pretty chill guy. He has his own build. It's called the "Movie build." He made it up himself. That's why it's named after him. So this ballin dude goes and starts bashing Zergs left and right with his "Movie build." Even Jaedong gets his face smashed. But then, this Messiah of Zerg comes. His name is by.great, and he's a genius ZvPer. He goes and gathers all the face smashed Zergs and goes, "Yo, I just figured out how the beat the Movie build. You have to deny him the opportunity for early harassment by setting up a defensive wall, and deny him an opportunity for early expansion by burrowing lings in other expansions. Move likes a unit composition of archons and zealots and a defensive wall usually puts Movie in his tracks. A defensive wall usually consist of a hatchery, an evolution chamber, hydralisk den, a sunken, and then have some lings and hydralisks to prevent any harassment." The other Zergs suddenly have a new outlook on the matchup. "Thanks for teaching us how to sim city!" they say. "Now Movie's early game zealot and archon harassment will be nullified because I'll have a nice and tight wall to stop it!"
So Jaedong, ever the workaholic, steals all the by.great and hoejja reps he can find, and by doing so acquires the ability to counter the "Movie build." And Movie, being a huge dummy, keeps insisting on doing the "Movie build" even though all the other Zergs already know how to hard counter it thanks to the work of by.great. But that's not all! Protosses like Jangbi and Bisu have also been watching from afar! They saw how all the other Zergs were so busy changing up their play style to counter the awesome force that is the "Movie build" so they in turn made up a "counter-counter Movie build," and using it beat both Jaedong and the almighty hoejja. So now, you can pretty much sum up ZvP as follows: Movie uses the "Movie build" which consists of zealot archon harassment. Zergs use the "counter Movie build" which features a super awesome sim city introduced by by.great. Jangbi and Bisu use the "counter-counter Movie build" which somehow counters sim cities. And all the other Protoss just dodge PvZ or something.
Does that sound about right?


Obviously you are being rude, so quit with the sarcasm.

Never implied I was enlightening everyone, actually I never knew a defensive wall was called sim city. But sim city is the best way to counter, Movie. Jaedong obviously studied Movie's defeats to Hoejja and Great, and Movie did a similar built when he defeated Zero in the EVER 2009 OSL. I don't know what games Jaedong watched, but he obviously studied something. He notices Movie likes to use archons for anti-air, and he used his muta-micro to his fullest in game 1. And where is your reading comprehension, I never said Movie had his own build, I said zergs have their own build to particularly counter movie. I'm pretty sure most zergs recognized movie as a dangerous pvz sniper, of course zergs don't see him that much of a threat since losing to great (an average zerg).

Jangbi and Bisu know how to counter sim-city, while Movie doesn't. And Movie obviously did other bone headed mistakes.


Uh, movie did the exact same thing against Jaedong on Byzantium 3 during the Avalon MSL, and Jaedong countered with the exact same thing (game 1 in this series). This happened before EVER 2009, so I have no idea what rock you are smoking when you say things like "great and hoejja (two really amazing zergs, btw, revolutionary) laid the blueprint to beating movie." I think almost everyone here knows what a zerg wall is, so try not to sound like some omniscient force revealing the light for us simpletons.


lol almost everyone in TL knows I know less of the mechanics and everything of SC then everyone here. So yes I admit, I'm basically dumb when it comes to SC, but I analyze and post anyway. Also almost everyone knows I'm bias towards Movie, so I try to discredit Jaedong's win in every way.

And I remember the games from the Avalon MSL, the builds and how Jaedong played against Movie were different.


Just because the games turn out different do not mean Jaedong played differently. Movie did almost the exact same timing attack with +1 zealots with Jaedong (barely) holding it off, then got archons, then tried to do another timing attack before any sizable lurker army came out. The build in both games focused on upgrades zealots and archons with minimal numbers of corsairs. Movie was able to take a third base in Byzantium because the third the protoss wants to take is closer than on EoTS and his second timing attack did more damage in that game.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
July 10 2010 01:49 GMT
#859
On July 10 2010 10:47 FireGuyX wrote:
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On July 10 2010 10:47 koreasilver wrote:
No, you do not understand the game.


That's your opinion.


But it's also the truth.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 01:54:27
July 10 2010 01:53 GMT
#860
On July 10 2010 10:49 EvoChamber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2010 10:47 FireGuyX wrote:
On July 10 2010 10:47 koreasilver wrote:
No, you do not understand the game.


That's your opinion.


But it's also the truth.



Yup it's the undeniable truth I must accept in TL. *sarcasm*.

I understand the game, I know what's going on, I know who's winning, and I do recognize some builts when I read the other TL users comments.

It's not like I can't tell who's low on econ, and how much resources X player lost, etc. Again I'll admit I don't fully understand it, but I know when X player is in trouble, etc, etc.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
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