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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
June 28 2010 10:24 GMT
#241
flash lost TvT ace after TvT ace after TvT ace. i think it is arguably a real slump.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-28 10:26:22
June 28 2010 10:25 GMT
#242
On June 28 2010 19:20 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 19:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 28 2010 19:16 OneOther wrote:
On June 28 2010 19:13 Sadistx wrote:
On June 28 2010 19:11 OneOther wrote:
i guess im just more lenient players when they lose. especially for guys like flash who have so pressure being the leader of his team and preparing for both msl/osl. in my opinion, he doesn't deserve to be called "slumping" yet. but if u want to consider anything less than winning 90% "slumping," feel free. however, he needs to lose over an extended period of time to be considered "slumping." give him some time until individual leagues / proleague playoffs.


If he goes <50% in individual leagues as well, then I believe we can call slump. Until then, only proleague performance isn't a total indicator of a slump. I guess i'm agreeing with you

yeah, that's what im saying. don't make the word "slumping" lose its meaning by calling a guy going 50-50 in past 9 games "slumping." jesus. and that was only a week after wining the osl title.


What? He's 4-6 in his last 10.

5-5 until tonight's game, which i forgot to count. so 5-6. does this matter? no lol. saying a guy going roughly 50% in a sample size of 10 games is slumping..hahahah. what has this world come to


5-6 would be last 11 games? He's 4-6, period, and has lost every ace match. He's also playing worse -- even if his opponents are playing better, he's been playing worse, too. 40% winrate for this month is bad. Going from FLASH to Killer in terms of winrate and ace match performance is pretty abysmal.

edit -- call it a minislump since it's only one month if you want but the drop in quality of most of his games and winrate is slump proportion.
Remember Violet.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 28 2010 10:25 GMT
#243
well if you define slump to mean "really poor player" flash definitely hasn't fallen to that level

if you define slump as "playing far below his peak abilities" then I would argue that flash can fit this description.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
June 28 2010 10:25 GMT
#244
Flash slumping or not... who cares? This is a game there always must be a looser and a winner. The most important thing is to win when you have to. Flash holds his chances for all the leagues - MSL + OSL + SPL! GL
Flash returns...
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
June 28 2010 10:26 GMT
#245
On June 28 2010 19:24 o[twist] wrote:
flash lost TvT ace after TvT ace after TvT ace. i think it is arguably a real slump.

Is the games bad? Does he play bad? Is he an underdog against anyone?
No. No. NO.

Dont call it yet, I'd gladly admit that he is not living up to expectations. But hell, thats what we have Stats for, finally starting to revive the term "KT Toss".
Even though Violet isnt pairing up with Stats to be come what Ra and Reach was, what I wrote on liquipedia's article on Stats is becoming true.
In the woods, there lurks..
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 28 2010 10:26 GMT
#246
Wth happened?
Flash fans and sympathizers calling it a slump and a few even argue about it? o.o

So this happens when I am banned for a week. >_>
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 28 2010 10:27 GMT
#247
replay showing how all those hydra being decimated by storms...
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
June 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#248
Whatever this is, it's gonna make it hard to figure out the true rankings for Power Rank.
KT Roflster - the lulziest team of Proleague.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
June 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#249
I can't believe the audacity of people even daring to mention the s-word in a situation like this. Are you kidding? Once Flash drops out of both leagues while only winning half his proleague games, then you can bring it up.

Oh, and: it probably won't happen.
Oh, my eSports
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-28 10:29:24
June 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#250
On June 28 2010 19:26 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 19:24 o[twist] wrote:
flash lost TvT ace after TvT ace after TvT ace. i think it is arguably a real slump.

Is the games bad? Does he play bad? Is he an underdog against anyone?
No. No. NO.


Extending this discussion with another reply probably won't change any opinions, but in my eyes Flash is definitely no longer the automatic favorite against ANY other player, the way he once was.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#251
On June 28 2010 19:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 19:20 OneOther wrote:
On June 28 2010 19:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 28 2010 19:16 OneOther wrote:
On June 28 2010 19:13 Sadistx wrote:
On June 28 2010 19:11 OneOther wrote:
i guess im just more lenient players when they lose. especially for guys like flash who have so pressure being the leader of his team and preparing for both msl/osl. in my opinion, he doesn't deserve to be called "slumping" yet. but if u want to consider anything less than winning 90% "slumping," feel free. however, he needs to lose over an extended period of time to be considered "slumping." give him some time until individual leagues / proleague playoffs.


If he goes <50% in individual leagues as well, then I believe we can call slump. Until then, only proleague performance isn't a total indicator of a slump. I guess i'm agreeing with you

yeah, that's what im saying. don't make the word "slumping" lose its meaning by calling a guy going 50-50 in past 9 games "slumping." jesus. and that was only a week after wining the osl title.


What? He's 4-6 in his last 10.

5-5 until tonight's game, which i forgot to count. so 5-6. does this matter? no lol. saying a guy going roughly 50% in a sample size of 10 games is slumping..hahahah. what has this world come to


5-6 would be last 11 games? He's 4-6, period, and has lost every ace match. He's also playing worse -- even if his opponents are playing better, he's been playing worse, too. 40% winrate for this month is bad. Going from FLASH to Killer in terms of winrate and ace match performance is pretty abysmal.

edit -- call it a minislump since it's only one month if you want but the drop in quality of most of his games and winrate is slump proportion.

Statistics don't reveal the entire story, exactly how those games played out and how Flash lost is more important.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#252
oh, that zealot drop on the replay was a nice play
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#253
Holy cow that spawning pool snipe was clutch.
Revolutionist fan
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Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1218 Posts
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#254
oh wow crackling upgrade was almost done but stats managed to snipe it
I love the sense of camaraderie when an entire line of cars teams up to prevent a dick from cutting in at the front. Stay strong, brothers!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#255
IT WAS ONE SECOND FROM FINISHING
In the woods, there lurks..
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#256
G-chizzle! fuck yeah!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#257
On June 28 2010 19:24 o[twist] wrote:
flash lost TvT ace after TvT ace after TvT ace. i think it is arguably a real slump.


Its a small bad streak, happens to everyone lol if he got eliminated from the individual leagues very early then I would call slump.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#258
WL bonjwa!
BW is back
Subwoofermate
Profile Joined May 2010
293 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-28 10:31:42
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#259
On June 28 2010 19:24 o[twist] wrote:
flash lost TvT ace after TvT ace after TvT ace. i think it is arguably a real slump.


No it isn't. Flash wasn't playing badly in those TvTs, he was playing pretty damn well but his lack of preparation showed. Proleague, MSL, and OSL keep releasing new maps and I assume with Flash being the only ace KT has, already deep into both individual leagues, and having a matchup that requires the most map understanding out of all matchups, he needs to prepare heavily for each map for each race and I reckon its getting to him.

It wasn't like Fantasy's slump of pathetic build orders or wall ins or Bisu's awful slump from hell where his decision making and army control was sluggish. Flash is still playing well, just not as well as previously where maps were simply reused or very similar to previous maps.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-28 10:31:21
June 28 2010 10:30 GMT
#260
Replay shows the spawning pool dying within 2-3 seconds of finishing Adrenal.

It was probably over by then regardless, but it still hurts.
Oh, my eSports
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