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[MSL] Grand Final - Page 139
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JaimeR
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:13 JaimeR wrote: You know what the saddest thing is? This live report thread has only 138 pages... I'm pretty sure the OSL didn't even start the first game until page 138. What a big let-down. True... A lot of SCBW fans lost interest after Flash lost the OSL so horribly. It disgusted a lot of people... so the MSL didn't get that much interest. If Flash had won the OSL... I can tell you, this thread would have been 2x as long. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
He adapted his build flawlessly after seeing how jaedong opened. 1. vs 2hatch -> fast ebay + early vessels into 2port dropships. 2. vs 3hatch -> fast valk and no turrets. 3. vs no gas 3hatch -> 2fact into bunkerdefense. This was really flawless executiong from flash. What made it even more amazing is that this new style of scouting early and making walls is also pretty safe from early preassure. | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:16 StylishVODs wrote: I like this style from flash. Early scout into adaption. He adapted his build flawlessly after seeing how jaedong opened. 1. vs 2hatch -> fast ebay + early vessels into 2port dropships. 2. vs 3hatch -> fast valk and no turrets. 3. vs no gas 3hatch -> 2fact into bunkerdefense. This was really flawless executiong from flash. What made it even more amazing is that this new style of scouting early and making walls is also pretty safe from early preassure. word, game 2 was mind-blowing for me. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:00 Archer_ wrote: It's funny how with the OSL finals, it's all like Flash played soooooo bad, Effort is super lucky, but here it's all about how Flash played soooooo good, Jaedong was at 100% right? err... yes effort was indeed lucky. u gotta be pretty retarded to say effort is a better player than JD or Flash. i can't say JD was playing 100%, but Flash was definitely not relying on luck. g1: JD did manage to trick Flash wasting money on turrets and managed to get defilers out in time. JD was ahead but Flash came back. g2: JD's muta opening wasn't wrong. muta harass into 3rd base is normally safe play, but flash got the better of him. g3: mass hyra IS the counter gols. good mind game from JD. but i think the commentator critically noted that "JD was still pumping drones so it wasnt all in". it would still have worked for JD, had it not been for the good scouting from flash. overall, i wouldn't say JD was playing terrible because we did see 2 of his builds putting him ahead. i just felt flash was able to balance out his greedy macro build with good scouting. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:15 Wings wrote: True... A lot of SCBW fans lost interest after Flash lost the OSL so horribly. It disgusted a lot of people... so the MSL didn't get that much interest. If Flash had won the OSL... I can tell you, this thread would have been 2x as long. I think it has to do with timezones aswell. This was played at a different time, it didn't go to 5 games and there was no MSL failiure. I'm actually thankful this thread didn't get 300 pages of shitty posts. (not all but many) | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:59 Hot_Bid wrote: Only one question remains... + Show Spoiler + In his post game interview does Flash thank the reigning OSL champion for his helpful practice?? According to live translation he didn't. I was surprised by this. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:16 StylishVODs wrote: I like this style from flash. Early scout into adaption. He adapted his build flawlessly after seeing how jaedong opened. 1. vs 2hatch -> fast ebay + early vessels into 2port dropships. 2. vs 3hatch -> fast valk and no turrets. 3. vs no gas 3hatch -> 2fact into bunkerdefense. This was really flawless executiong from flash. What made it even more amazing is that this new style of scouting early and making walls is also pretty safe from early preassure. actually Flash was in a bad position in game 2, JD just mismicroed horribly and attacked at the wrong time. day9 said JD would have been in a good position. | ||
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Lebesgue
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:13 JaimeR wrote: You know what the saddest thing is? This live report thread has only 138 pages... I'm pretty sure the OSL didn't even start the first game until page 138. What a big let-down. Think of it this way. A one-sided Bo5 that barely lasted an hour got 138pages! Holy sh*t, who are these people commentating? | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:05 Hot_Bid wrote: JD went 2 defiler mounds and an earlier 4th in game 1, yes thats kind of new. he went standard in game 2, 3H before pool is not innovative vs flash anymore. in game 3 hydra break is hardly creative. JD made a calculated choice not to play aggressively, probably partly due to the fact that Flash was practicing for that style the entire week (with Effort, no less). It's not some "manly commendable decision," JD clearly did the builds he thought gave him the best chance to win. It is commendable because it shows that Jaedong hasn't submitted to this mentality of "I can't beat Flash in a long macro game so I'm going to try and gain a big advantage in the early game and take it from there". How many players do you think would be truly willing to win 3 straight up games against Flash in a Bo5 finals where both players have had plenty of time to prepare? Most players are going to do some kind of cheese in at least one or two of those games because the thought of overcoming Flash through sheer macro three times in one day is an incredibly daunting task. Why shouldn't someone be commended for stepping up to that task? Yes, Effort played well, but his games hardly inspired any confidence in his ability to be a worthy rival to Flash. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:24 purgerinho wrote: does jaedong becoming savior after bisu? Jaedong will be fine. He suffered a 3:0 loss before in a final and he only became a better player. I'm sure it will only make him stronger and we will still see some great games from him. | ||
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:00 DarkMatter_ wrote: Pretty much. It's commendable that Jaedong tried to beat Flash at his own game (late game macro-oriented games) rather than relying on cheese (well except for game 3 but that was more of a reaction to Flash's 14CC) but he was predictable and his adaptability was really poor compared to Effort who reacted perfectly to what Flash was doing. It's disappointing that there was no early aggression from Jaedong. One of Jaedong's distinguishing quality is that even when going for a macro-oriented build, he still finds a way to get in his opponent's face with some kind of early harass or pressure, even if it's just with his initial set of lings. But today, his play seemed completely passive and it looked like he was on the back foot the whole time. It's very uncharacteristic of him and I found it hugely disappointing. I truly feel bad for Jaedong because he probably would've fared a lot better if he just played like he always does in any random proleague match. Instead he put so much hard work and effort trying to come up with more original and elaborate builds only to be punished for it. Jaedong is known for coming up with sick builds in Bo5. You can't play like you do in a random proleague match to win a starleague title especially against a player like Flash. People said the same thing about Flash in last week's OSL but don't seem to understand Bo5 starleague matches are nothing like proleague. Game 1 Flash's timing was just a little bit better; if JD hadn't thrown down two defiler dens he would have lost earlier without the quick defiler upgrades. Game 2 I think came down to micro during the battle for the middle. If JD had taken out all of Flash's valks his muta would have been more effective against Flash's m/m group. Effective enough to buy another 5-10 seconds so that JD could coordinate a defense of his third with his lurkers. I'm still amazed Flash came out on top with his valks against the scourge/muta. Game 3 JD just over-committed with that last hydra attack. If he had not lost so many hydra he would have been better able to delay Flash to try and secure his 3rd and 4th though I think even then he was slightly worse off. Overall I thought JD's hydra bust was genius given that Flash was expecting muta and didn't initially have any tanks. I was holding my breath when the bunker's hp was down to like 60. Extremely intense. That would have been game if that bunker had fallen. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:18 SuperArc wrote: actually Flash was in a bad position in game 2, JD just mismicroed horribly and attacked at the wrong time. day9 said JD would have been in a good position. Well I'm saying that Flash was in equally good position. That game had a good start with both players going for equally greedy builds and the winner was determined through decisions/micro/macro in the midgame. JD was in a good position. Flash was in a good position. But if I had to choose, I'd say Flash had a small advantage because generally marines+valk will beat muta+lings after equal openings. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 29 2010 20:25 Lebesgue wrote: Jaedong will be fine. He suffered a 3:0 loss before in a final and he only became a better player. I'm sure it will only make him stronger and we will still see some great games from him. Also Jaedong already promised us in the post game interview that he wont slump | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
This would have just made him look stupid because it wouldn't have worked vs lingtight walls. Early preassure hydra almost worked, it was so close. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Their mechanics are simply too good for them to get into a serious slump. sry for doublepost. | ||
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KristianJS
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