EPT[OSL] Korean Air OSL Grand Final - Page 306
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On May 23 2010 19:49 LorDo wrote: I do hope he does get a revenge on JD. The thing is Jaedong and Effort have two completely different playstyles. We'll see though if Jaedong tries to end the games quickly with some good ol fashion "Kwanrolling" | ||
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L0thar
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
Second, Effort's preparation for this series was excellent and I think the CJ coaching team should get a lot of the credit. In every game (even the two that he lost) his builds worked to give him an advantage and they seemed to predict what Flash would do on each map perfectly. This is Flash's burden for being a great player- there are a lot of replays for the other team to sift through. Third, don't make excuses for Flash, just don't; have a bit more intelligence. When Effort declared that he won due to luck in the post-game interview Flash corrected that himself and said no, it was because Effort's skill was better on the day. If Flash can man up and accept what happened then you can too. Also to make accusations of match-fixing is a huge insult to Flash's integrity and I don't see how any true fan would want to do that. Fourth, as a JD fan I'm actually bothered that Flash lost. Why? Because this is going to make him even more hungry for the MSL title. If Flash had won this, even with all his professionalism, it would be tempting to relax, just a little. Now, however Flash is going to be practising like a demon and fixing up all the flaws in his play that effort discovered. I would say JD's chances of a third MSL just got that much worse. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:41 darktreb wrote: Hindsight is 20/20 but I agree, at the time I wasn't feeling too good about his builds in the last 2 games. The more that I think about it though, it wasn't as bad as it seemed at the time. In his defense, he played game 3 completely standard and Effort simply seized a 1 second gotcha window that most Terrans leave exposed most games (every time I lose to something like that on Iccup I can't believe it, yet that hasn't prevented me from repeating the screwup because it's really easy to forget that can happen). Game 4 was questionable, but what REALLY got me was how Flash didn't block his ramp with SCVs even though he knew the exact timing since his own scouting SCV followed the Zerglings back. He lost like 4 Marines when he could have lost none. This is why Effort was able to scout Flash's main with a single Ling and see the Starport. That mistake was indefensible and from that moment on I was very, very worried. Game 5 he 14CC'd ... honestly 14CC is an underrated build on TL. The advantage it gives you for even mid game is ENORMOUS and for a player like Flash it's almost impossible to lose from that position. Maybe Flash felt like the only way you can get enough Marines to defend Match Point Muta harass is to take that chance. He probably assumed Effort was going to try to exploit the same timings that Hyun, Jaedong, and Zero did when they beat Flash on MP. Effort had a smart counter prepared and made Flash look silly. But the thing about "Flash should have played standard on MP" is ... Flash has not looked good on MP! He has lost playing standard more than he's won on that map! If he wins game 5 by deflecting Mutas with more than the average number of Marines thanks to the 14CC and then rolls a long game, he gets praise for having the balls to do what it takes on a map that he's had trouble with in the past. I'm confident Flash will learn a lot from his latest failure and come back better than ever. It'll be fun to see what that looks like - hopefully it starts as soon as next weekend. Wow, a Flash fan who is actually rational.  I agree with everything said here. | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On May 23 2010 21:18 tomatriedes wrote: When Effort declared that he won due to luck in the post-game interview Flash corrected that himself and said no, it was because Effort's skill was better on the day. Where Flash said like that? I'm just curious because I haven't heard that | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On May 23 2010 21:30 Tuke wrote: Where Flash said like that? I'm just curious because I haven't heard that This is what was said during the postmatch winners interviews: Effort: 제가 오늘 이긴 것은 운이 좋아서였습니다. ... Flash: 제가 오늘 진 것은 실력이 모자라서였습니다. | ||
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Sight
United States148 Posts
On May 23 2010 21:49 tomatriedes wrote: Uh any translation?This is what was said during the postmatch winners interviews: Effort: 제가 오늘 이긴 것은 운이 좋아서였습니다. ... Flash: 제가 오늘 진 것은 실력이 모자라서였습니다. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
What I said before- Effort said his won was because of luck, but Flash said it was because his (Flash's) skill was lacking. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 23 2010 22:41 TwoToneTerran wrote: Sounds like both were being typically generous to each other. yea, even when Flash wins he always says how he's lacking as a player in the post game interviews. | ||
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
On May 23 2010 19:55 InDaHouse wrote: Yes that says he got faked and punished for trying to cheese. Remember when Flash BBS cheesed Bisu on Monty Hall and BBS Stork in the the OSL Finals on Katrina? Yes I remember! And thank you EffOrt for this payback. You totally deserve this win with excellent play. +1 | ||
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Eggm
United States152 Posts
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Yggdrasil Leaf
221 Posts
It's obvious that effort deserves it; he won it and he ended up being the better player. But only having one perspective about the games cannot be good. And Effort's fans are really exaggerating on most posts. What was disappointing about this finals? Besides the technical problems, the fact that flash clearly started choking after losing game 3 leading to riskier decisions and slower reactions. (And he didn't have to play like that; wtf is that, he always plays risky to win? One calculates the risks in the appropriate situations with good decision-making: besides his ridiculous skill, that's why flash wins so much; he's not usually gambling) I doubt that the neutral viewer (and one that can actually figure out what's going on) could remain indifferent to that. I mean, it was so sad and upsetting. So much work for that to happen against a player that will unfrequently win a best-of-five against you in practice when you're winning 2-0 or 2-1. Like someone else said, flash really looked like a tragic figure out there in the end. And anyone with enough experience of life knows that what happenned can be quite the blow. If it was just effort outplaying him, the neutral viewers wouldn't have that many reasons to be disappointed or confused about that final and it would have been a comeback worthy of appreciation (comparing this to GGPlay's comeback is...). It was quite the downfall. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On May 23 2010 22:47 reincremate wrote: Effort deserved to win because Flash made unnecessarily risky decisions in games 3 4 and 5, but Effort's play wasn't too impressive nonetheless. A really anti-climactic finals. How can you seriously call a comeback from 0-2 to win the series as an underdog against a player who has never lost 3 in a row in KESPA-sanctioned matches be called anti-climactic? | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
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Husmusen
Sweden92 Posts
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