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That entire series was so disappointing. I didn't really enjoy any of the games, and the losers played badly in each game. What really makes this series gross to me is the conditions for the champion. Game 3 was legit but short, game 4 scout the cheese and defend, game 5 build zerglings. I just hated to see those games after games 1 and 2. I really REALLY feel like Flash is just a mountain to effort still, and I honestly don't know why flash played so risky in sets 4 and 5. If I were flash, I would look back at the stompings that were sets 1 and 2 and play a standard style 3 games in a row. I still don't think there is anyone who can beat Flash 3 times in a row when he's playing standard.
I feel really sorry for Flash, but he deserved what he got. He just seemed to get really pigheaded after set 2 and played out the bo5 like an idiot. Ugh, I just...feel violated that Effort won that. Yeah, he made some good moves in the sets 3 and 4, but it just seemed so easy for him to win, and I hated it. I really hated it.
I'm just rambling. Congrats Effort, it really does take a lot to beat flash 3 times in a row, regardless of the circumstances, when you're down 2-0. Also to maintain focus in light of the whole scandal, it really show how good his CJ face is.
Flash, learn from this. You are so much better than you were in this series.
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game 1 was decent. game 2 was pretty good. games 3 was kinda cool. game 4 was sorta lame (would of sucked a whole lot if I wasnt going "WTF WHY IS HIS HATCH RIGHT THERE?" the whole time). game 5 was really lame.
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YAY EFFORT WON, OMFG IM SMILING SOOO MUCH,Cody says IT Doesnt matter who you are if your the underdog, its your very 1st osl, AGAINST FLASH, AND U COME BACK AGAINST HIM IN A 2-0 LOST STREAK, AND U END UP WINNING, U DERSERVE PROPS!! and u cant say "if flash would have did this..." because he didnt! i love you still flash, but i love you more EFFORT aka HAWKEYEs
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Incredible upset no doubt. Coming back from 2-0 down against Flash (arguably the greatest player of all time) in his absolute prime in an OSL final is stuff of legend.
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wow, great comeback from almost getting totally destroyed
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Question:
Was there something that Flash could have done in Game 5 to wall off the choke? Or was it impossible to wall off the choke in time with 14 cc because the ling rush came too fast for him to wall off?
I noticed Flash had 2 barracks further down in his base. Could he have built those barracks up front to steal the choke off? (I assume the weakness with putting barracks up front is that your units can be picked off 1 by 1 as they are produced)
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I *facepalmed* during the last couple minutes of Game 5. Seeing every single marine picked off by speedlings gave me nightmares of Kwanro.
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On May 23 2010 11:32 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
Question:
Was there something that Flash could have done in Game 5 to wall off the choke? Or was it impossible to wall off the choke in time with 14 cc because the ling rush came too fast for him to wall off?
I noticed Flash had 2 barracks further down in his base. Could he have built those barracks up front to steal the choke off? (I assume the weakness with putting barracks up front is that your units can be picked off 1 by 1 as they are produced)
i think he put his bunker not in line with the mineral that and built a supply depot as well
in my opinion he knew he didnt have time so he built the bunker close to the base so harass wont be able but i guess he didnt count on a lot of zerlings or maybe just was too sure to defend it
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On May 23 2010 10:47 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 09:58 malathion wrote:On May 23 2010 09:55 Doraemon wrote:On May 23 2010 09:47 malathion wrote:On May 23 2010 09:38 bodysnatcher21 wrote:On May 23 2010 09:24 malathion wrote:
Two build order wins. Not a very convincing finish. Flash played better the whole series. Flash chose 2 stupid risky builds and lost because of it. Effort played smarter and better over the 5 games, that's why he won. That might be but I still don't like it or think it's a convincing win. Effort didn't win, Flash lost. lol what? so if flash lost, there is no winner? Let me break this down for you. Effort won because Flash played well below his ability. Get it? so effort did win?
Oh malathion... you're like the epitome of delusional flash fanboys
"flash lost, but he played better"
"opponent didn't win, flash lost"
"opponent won because flash didn't play well"
"balbhablhbalhb flash *sucks cock*"
make up your mind, please.
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On May 23 2010 11:46 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 10:47 Doraemon wrote:On May 23 2010 09:58 malathion wrote:On May 23 2010 09:55 Doraemon wrote:On May 23 2010 09:47 malathion wrote:On May 23 2010 09:38 bodysnatcher21 wrote:On May 23 2010 09:24 malathion wrote:
Two build order wins. Not a very convincing finish. Flash played better the whole series. Flash chose 2 stupid risky builds and lost because of it. Effort played smarter and better over the 5 games, that's why he won. That might be but I still don't like it or think it's a convincing win. Effort didn't win, Flash lost. lol what? so if flash lost, there is no winner? Let me break this down for you. Effort won because Flash played well below his ability. Get it? so effort did win? Oh malathion... you're like the epitome of delusional flash fanboys "flash lost, but he played better" "opponent didn't win, flash lost" "opponent won because flash didn't play well" "balbhablhbalhb flash *sucks cock*" make up your mind, please.
lol who cares? Effort obviously won, Flash just didn't play up to the standards of his fans
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On May 23 2010 11:46 pvzvt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 11:32 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
Question:
Was there something that Flash could have done in Game 5 to wall off the choke? Or was it impossible to wall off the choke in time with 14 cc because the ling rush came too fast for him to wall off?
I noticed Flash had 2 barracks further down in his base. Could he have built those barracks up front to steal the choke off? (I assume the weakness with putting barracks up front is that your units can be picked off 1 by 1 as they are produced) i think he put his bunker not in line with the mineral that and built a supply depot as well in my opinion he knew he didnt have time so he built the bunker close to the base so harass wont be able but i guess he didnt count on a lot of zerlings or maybe just was too sure to defend it
No, there were 2 paths Effort could have taken to run by the bunker. If you put the bunker to seal off the mineral path (the middle path), the lings can run by on the left side (the path left of the CC)or the right side (the path to the right of the mineral line).
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Going into game 5 I really felt like Effort was going to win despite my best hopes otherwise.
Flash about to play on a map he seems to lose on often with a ton of pressure not to get reverse 3-0'ed vs Effort and lose his shot at the golden mouse, vs Effort who in reality has almost nothing to lose and by most accounts would still get "well he went 2-3 against Flash in the OSL finals that's pretty good!" if he lost.
You could see the calmness on Effort's face.. :/.
Overall I thought the game quality of these matches was pretty awful, even set 2... but what can you do?
Hopefully this just makes the MSL finals and PL playoffs this much better now that we have a dramatic story line.
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Right, a slightly more thought out reply after calming down for a few hours.
As I stated earlier: GGs, Efforts starsense in game 4 was just unreal, as was his ling surround the game before. Last game, though Effort was very quick and competent to exploit the gaping hole left from Flash's 14CC, I still feel that it was mostly Flash making a bad decision and getting hurt for it that decided the outcome.
Still, Effort played like a champion, and deservedly got his OSL trophy. FIGHTING!
Also, Coach Cho is awesome 
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Just saw the games. I couldn't believe it as I was watching Game 5... Effort just did CJ its greatest favor in its darkest hour. He truly played like a champion those last few games. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the much anticipated Flash/Jaedong MSL final. After seeing Effort beat Flash, the pressure must really be on JD right now to step his game up a notch.
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What happened in when GGPlay won the finals, is it something I should see or why is it being talked about?
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Why aren't losers ever interviewed??
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You guys are all ridiculous. All this Flash lost not Effort won stuff is just plain stupid. Effort won, just deal with it. Flash made bad choices and that's what made him lose. THAT'S STARCRAFT. PEOPLE LOSE GAMES THAT WAY. You guys don't think Effort made bad choices to lose game 1 and 2? There's also those people who keep talking about how they're not flash fans and it's just because both people didn't play to the fullest of their abilities (obviously talking about Flash), but I bet if Flash won 3-0 you guys wouldn't be saying anything. If you truly believed that, all the games should've been played out like the SPL game between them two recently. But you guys are obviously just dissappointed about the last 3 games. Anyways, GOOOO EFFORTT!
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On May 23 2010 11:32 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
Question:
Was there something that Flash could have done in Game 5 to wall off the choke? Or was it impossible to wall off the choke in time with 14 cc because the ling rush came too fast for him to wall off?
I noticed Flash had 2 barracks further down in his base. Could he have built those barracks up front to steal the choke off? (I assume the weakness with putting barracks up front is that your units can be picked off 1 by 1 as they are produced)
Im my opinion looking over it, I really felt like Flash didnt block with the SCVs well at all, I do feel like his marine micro was very poor there actually, maybe it was gosu ling micro but I think it was pressure on Flash's part. If he brought SCV's to wall of choke he would of been in a much better position since with his first lings Effort killed pretty much every single marine except the few stray ones that weren't even protected by SCV's, I do also think that right after Flash saw he was loosing this he should have dropped a bunker at his main, lift nat and play off that, all his scv's would be there so great defence for marines.
It all comes from the fact that when you are under that much pressure you don't always make the best decisions.
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Some Flash fanboys are so disrespectful toward effort. They don't realize how good it needs to be to win these game especially game 4. To me, it was with game 2 the best games of this final. And it was not flash loosing it, it was clearly effort winning it. So many zerg player would had died to this bunker rush or this vulture drop. But the most amazing part in that game was when effort decided in the dark to come back in his base with his hydra to defend against that double marine drop. Effort could have lost right here if those hydra were 5 sec late. This game truly showed effort star sense.
And instead of reading how good effort played, I read flash did mistakes, flash was the better player, blablabla..... disgusting.
Effort also made big mistakes in game 1 and 2. In game 1 effort attacking these tank in bad position with only 70% of his army was a big mistake. He could had cut the reinforcement line and attacked from all side or just waited for broodling, leaving his base and saving drones with overlord. But I don't deny how good was flash timing, pushing right before queen get 150 energy was great, and if effort did those mistakes it was because of the pressure flash put on him.
In game 2 effort had an incredible advantage and lost it, seriously how can you loose when a terran lost all his marines to your sunken and you have such an economic lead? Why effort ? (I won't mention flash played godly because I'm an effort blind fanboy) this game sucked so much unless you like to see how to fail as a zerg.
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Will Flash play tonight? Is it normal to play right after a Bo5?
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