EPTStar player chokes and the underdog wins.
Perfect starcraft.
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
Star player chokes and the underdog wins. Perfect starcraft. | ||
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Getz
United States559 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:58 malathion wrote: Let me break this down for you. Effort won because Flash played well below his ability. Get it? I agree with this. Flash could have won if he chose not to use risky builds in game 4&5. | ||
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kidcrash
United States623 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:47 malathion wrote: That might be but I still don't like it or think it's a convincing win. Effort didn't win, Flash lost. Fail logic, if Flash doesn't feel like bringing his A-game then he doesn't deserve to win, it's as simple as that. Therefore effort is the more deserving player. Just because he won games before they could get into late game macro mode doesn't mean he is any less deserving. If anything, more credit should be given to effort for knowing what timings would exploit flashes weaknesses (early game attacks). | ||
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Hopkingreenfrog
Australia144 Posts
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malathion
United States362 Posts
On May 23 2010 10:02 kidcrash wrote: Fail logic, if Flash doesn't feel like bringing his A-game then he doesn't deserve to win, it's as simple as that. Therefore effort is the more deserving player. Just because he won games before they could get into late game macro mode doesn't mean he is any less deserving. If anything, more credit should be given to effort for knowing what timings would exploit flashes weaknesses (early game attacks). Read my posts. I'm not making excuses for Flash and I'm not a fanboy. I'm just dissatisfied with the outcome. I want to see decisive wins where it's clear that both players played well and one emerged the winner. Flash played well below his ability so he lost. That's not good starcraft. | ||
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kidcrash
United States623 Posts
On May 23 2010 10:11 malathion wrote: Read my posts. I'm not making excuses for Flash and I'm not a fanboy. I'm just dissatisfied with the outcome. I want to see decisive wins where it's clear that both players played well and one emerged the winner. Flash played well below his ability so he lost. That's not good starcraft. Wins aren't always pretty but that's how any competitive sports/gaming goes. What you are doing is taking credit away from the winner by placing the blame solely on the loser. Your statement "effort didn't win, flash lost" is very misleading. It should read, effort played better than flash therefore he won. Maybe not "fail logic" like I originally posted, but it's definitely misconstruing the truth to soften up the reality. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On May 23 2010 10:02 kidcrash wrote: Fail logic, if Flash doesn't feel like bringing his A-game then he doesn't deserve to win, it's as simple as that. Therefore effort is the more deserving player. Just because he won games before they could get into late game macro mode doesn't mean he is any less deserving. If anything, more credit should be given to effort for knowing what timings would exploit flashes weaknesses (early game attacks). Flash wanted to just end it quickly and crush effort. I think Flash is the best player right now, but I will never take anything away from someone who played amazingly well. Props to effort. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
Using this shit reasoning, Effort LOST games 1 and 2, Flash didn't win. Because Effort was most certainly leading both these games from the start until some poor play from him (but the reality is Flash played extremely well). Edit: in StarCraft, YOU are in control of EVERYTHING that happens from your side. If you lost, it was your fault, because it was 100% in your control to do something differently (except for maybe scarabs? lol). If someone wins, they did more than the other player and therefore WON. | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
On May 23 2010 01:04 disciple wrote: disgusting results... the worst OSL winner since GGplay  Kill yourself? | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
calm down? Not saying I agree, but people complain about flash fanboys when the anti flash crowd is damn harsh. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:58 SanguineToss wrote: Not surprised. Star player chokes and the underdog wins. Perfect starcraft. It would have been perfect starcraft if the games were actually entertaining rather than decided by one stupid mistake per game. I'm not a flash or effort fan. I just wanted to see some see-sawing matches. These games were garbage | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
On May 23 2010 10:33 Serpico wrote: calm down? Not saying I agree, but people complain about flash fanboys when the anti flash crowd is damn harsh. Not really. There's just all these people making up excuses and trying to take away from Effort's win, which is completely unfair. No one in their right mind would claim Effort to be the overall better player than Flash, but he won on the night, and he played well to do so. Flash could very well end up being the greatest player ever. But this finals, he lost, and Effort outplayed. It's simple as that. (I fucking hate ALL fanboys, they never see the game for how it really is. Always blinded by rays of fanboyism.) Edit: anti Flash crowd harsh? haven't really seen it in this thread. Anti fanboy crowd? quite possibly =P | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
On May 23 2010 10:33 Serpico wrote: calm down? Not saying I agree, but people complain about flash fanboys when the anti flash crowd is damn harsh. No, I said kill yourself because he said something bad about GGPlay. Unforgivable | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:58 malathion wrote: Let me break this down for you. Effort won because Flash played well below his ability. Get it? so effort did win? | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Wonder how much of it is Flash fanboy/anti-fanboy flaming. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On May 23 2010 10:39 foxmeep wrote: Not really. There's just all these people making up excuses and trying to take away from Effort's win, which is completely unfair. No one in their right mind would claim Effort to be the overall better player than Flash, but he won on the night, and he played well to do so. Flash could very well end up being the greatest player ever. But this finals, he lost, and Effort outplayed. It's simple as that. (I fucking hate ALL fanboys, they never see the game for how it really is. Always blinded by rays of fanboyism.) I completely agree effort straight up beat Flash, but also that on most nights Flash is the best player. I think thats the logical conclusion. Could effort beat flash if he was playing at his absolute peak? No, but how many times does ANYONE ever play as good as they can ever play? It's rare, plus effort just played masterfully when Flash made even one mistake. | ||
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
Flash made some little mistakes, and Effort capitalized on them. That means Effort played really good too, Flash didnt kill himself. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On May 23 2010 10:40 InTheFade wrote: No, I said kill yourself because he said something bad about GGPlay. Unforgivable I'm with you man, I love GGPlay, and the Iris vs GGPlay series was AMAZING. To call that finals a bad one can only be classified as trolling considering how EPIC it was. ^_^ | ||
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cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
On May 23 2010 11:04 ghrur wrote: I'm with you man, I love GGPlay, and the Iris vs GGPlay series was AMAZING. To call that finals a bad one can only be classified as trolling considering how EPIC it was. ^_^ yeah those games were pretty amazing, as for this Flash vs Effort set, all of the games were pretty disappointing and anticlimatic. | ||
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
On May 23 2010 11:04 ghrur wrote: I'm with you man, I love GGPlay, and the Iris vs GGPlay series was AMAZING. To call that finals a bad one can only be classified as trolling considering how EPIC it was. ^_^ I must have watched that Game 5 over 10 times. Such an amazing game and serie. | ||
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