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Ideas
United States8142 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:50 yes9111 wrote: YESSSSSSS Effort win! Was shaking so hard in game 2 as Effort got outplayed. Have to say that Effort's wins looked a bit like Kwanro's wins =/ BUT GJ EFFORT! if only kwanro played more like kwanro in the NATE MSL he coulda got back-to-back MSL silvers | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:25 OneOther wrote: What? Flash didn't fall for a 3 hatch fake lol. You kidding me? He scouted the Lair timing and the expo at 9, why in the world would he think Effort is going 3 hatch? Flash wanted to hit nine o'clock with the first group of marines/meds (with firebats following) right before mutas pop. If you look at the timing, his marines would have been at nine just on time before mutas morph. He simply made a mistake - a huge one - of not waiting for medics and moving out in a formation. I watched the game again from what I could tell flash didn't see the lair, then again I don't know korean and they didn't show if the scv went up the ramp a second time. | ||
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Ideas
United States8142 Posts
Unless the MSL finals get ruined again I think that MSL just had a much much better season this time around. | ||
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malathion
United States361 Posts
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Shatter
United States1401 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:20 Ideas wrote: honestly I find this to be the worst OSL in a while (well, worst than last season, but I think bacchus OSL 2009 was one of the worst of all time lol). the Ro16 wasn't too great and was lacking a lot of good players. Basically the only thing keeping me interested was Kal's run but that ended when effort decided to suddenly not suck. The finals were OK but not that great, especially for a Bo5 going to game 5 lol. It was just so lame with JD not getting into the Ro16 and then a lot of the usually good players started to suck a whole lot (stork, fantasy, calm, bisu) and the Ro16 onward just felt really lackluster outside of a few players. Unless the MSL finals get ruined again I think that MSL just had a much much better season this time around. Honestly, nothing can compare to the fanboy rage of EVER 09. At least this time the fanboys are acknowledging that their favorite player played poorly instead of raging and saying "EFFORTS PLAY SO GAY OMG" The backlash to Shine winning a Bo3 or Flash bunker rushing Jaedong hasn't been matched to this day. | ||
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kidcrash
United States623 Posts
Let's face is, being down 2 games to flash in a bo5 is a very grim situation to be in. I think we can all agree that most players confidence would be completely shattered in such a position. I give effort an insurmountable amount of credit for not folding under pressure. My hands would be shaking too hard to play in a situation like that. This shows that effort has the mental perseverance to shine through such a predicament. | ||
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bodysnatcher21
Australia147 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:24 malathion wrote: Two build order wins. Not a very convincing finish. Flash played better the whole series. Flash chose 2 stupid risky builds and lost because of it. Effort played smarter and better over the 5 games, that's why he won. | ||
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DJONES
United States218 Posts
I'm tired of hearing all the flash slurpers on here going on and on about how flash is "the best player ever" Flash is not even the most dominant player in his own era, let alone of all time. Can't wait to watch the VODs of this series, and even more excited for the JD vs Flash rematch. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
Til now most players have tried to macro up with flash to meet his devastating force mid-late-game, effort simply took a detour shortcut knowing flash would turn to his comfortable 14cc or greedy builds and made some lings, and it worked. these short games are flash's fault. And if you really understand the build order mind games of SC you know these wins are just as important and meaningful as long drawn-out battles with lots of spells and units. | ||
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:04 Fraidnot wrote: I watched the game again from what I could tell flash didn't see the lair, then again I don't know korean and they didn't show if the scv went up the ramp a second time. It doesn't matter if flash saw the lair, the important thing is that he assumed effort would take the natural (which is understandable) | ||
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malathion
United States361 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:38 bodysnatcher21 wrote: Flash chose 2 stupid risky builds and lost because of it. Effort played smarter and better over the 5 games, that's why he won. That might be but I still don't like it or think it's a convincing win. Effort didn't win, Flash lost. | ||
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:45 DJONES wrote: Flash has been one of my favorite players for a while, but I am glad to see Effort win. I'm tired of hearing all the flash slurpers on here going on and on about how flash is "the best player ever" Flash is not even the most dominant player in his own era, let alone of all time. Can't wait to watch the VODs of this series, and even more excited for the JD vs Flash rematch. This is Starcraft, not tennis or something. There is a limit to how dominant a single player can be. 80% winrate is as dominant as it gets. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:47 malathion wrote: That might be but I still don't like it or think it's a convincing win. Effort didn't win, Flash lost. if flash lost and effort didn't win means flash tries his risky greedy early game builds and effort simply makes units and plays aggressive to show him he can't do that every game. I completely agree. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:47 malathion wrote: That might be but I still don't like it or think it's a convincing win. Effort didn't win, Flash lost. lol what? so if flash lost, there is no winner? | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
Effort, you deserve that OSL for that ridiculous comeback. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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malathion
United States361 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:53 below66 wrote: if flash lost and effort didn't win means flash tries his risky greedy early game builds and effort simply makes units and plays aggressive to show him he can't do that every game. I completely agree. I'm not making excuses and I'm not a Flash fanboy. I just don't think this was convincing. I like to see OSLs where both players play in form. Disappointing. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
this will shut the b-word users up for a while | ||
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malathion
United States361 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:55 Doraemon wrote: lol what? so if flash lost, there is no winner? Let me break this down for you. Effort won because Flash played well below his ability. Get it? | ||
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