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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
May 13 2010 10:56 GMT
#761
It feels so good to have always been a Flash fan right now.

If you had told me in July of 2009 that this would happen ... I mean in March 2008 I was ready to say this was going to happen for sure, but then it took 20 months for him to make another final. 20 long and dark months of underachieving.

And now this.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 13 2010 10:56 GMT
#762
On May 13 2010 19:54 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2010 19:52 Lann555 wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:51 flamewheel91 wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:50 Wings wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:39 GTR wrote:
[image loading]

Those are 161 very delusional people. Very.

Fixed.

On May 13 2010 19:45 Vasoline73 wrote:
Pretty sure Jaedong is going to get rolled in the finals. Never felt that way before.. not even last season...

From the prefinals hype last year, most people (TLers and progamers alike) were predicting Flash to curbstomp. Of course, let's not go into the details of what happened that day, but just sayin'...



Yeah, last time they met it was actually after Flash had basically destroyed 5 zergs in a row in brutal fashion (kinda like he did vs Protoss this time). The only downside for Jaedong this time is that he has less study-material this time and Flash hasn't shown his vZ in a while. Who knows what he has come up with in the meantime



He didn't destroy Calm, it was competitive. He still have some holes in his TvZ during that time like his weakness in match point, not expanding after a failed 2-base all-in. This time though Flash has cleaned up his TvZ mistakes.

And by that we mean he builds turrets!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 13 2010 10:57 GMT
#763
Man, Flash is in both finals again. I just can't wrap my head around how ridiculous this is. Savior freaking wishes he pulled this shit off.
Remember Violet.
Catalyst
Profile Joined September 2008
Japan77 Posts
May 13 2010 10:57 GMT
#764
Well, if Flash takes both leagues and gets crowned "Winner of Broodwar" it could signal an opportune time to transition to StarCraft 2...maybe?

Anyway, good on Flash for the victories today, I hate Free so them being one-sided matches is fine by me. Looking forward to the finals, should be much more interesting (certainly compared to today's series).
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 13 2010 10:58 GMT
#765
I really want Jaedong > Flash...hope calm doesnt do anything smart =/
Jaedong :3
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 10:59:19
May 13 2010 10:58 GMT
#766
Yeah I think if Flash dual leagues, a LOT of progamers are switching to SC2 where they can actually win something lol...

...until Flash switches over. Then they'll go back haha
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
May 13 2010 10:59 GMT
#767
On May 13 2010 19:58 ReketSomething wrote:
I really want Jaedong > Flash...hope calm doesnt do anything smart =/


Yeah, Calm better not fuck it up for us. Definitly a real possibility though
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7928 Posts
May 13 2010 11:00 GMT
#768
On May 13 2010 19:55 radadaundandan wrote:
In fact Pure played way better than Free imo.

Free showed some sexy stuff in the first game, but otherwise, you are right, Pure game were not such an imba rape. Free's second and last game were a complete disaster.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 13 2010 11:00 GMT
#769
Hmm I just realized, this LR thread most likely has more pages/comments about things not related to LRing (i.e. talking about how dominant Flash is)... Mlah.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
May 13 2010 11:01 GMT
#770
ugh, what is it with people talking about sc2 in thi thread
go away
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 13 2010 11:01 GMT
#771
I see more chances for Jaedong to lose vs Calm, than vs Flash. Remember, he never lost a BO5 to Flash. Jaedong is just immune in BO5's
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 13 2010 11:01 GMT
#772
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Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
May 13 2010 11:03 GMT
#773
when i read these kind of stories (this thread) i really wish bisu were back in shape

where is the chosen one to bring balance to the force?
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
May 13 2010 11:03 GMT
#774
That was pathetic. Free just doesn't have the confidence and mental fortitude required to beat Flash, let alone the skill. It's obvious from his body language that he already gave up any hopes of winning after game 2, game 3 was just a formality. That's really not the mentality of a winner.

I think this is one of the biggest factors that makes Jaedong such a strong contender for beating Flash. He seems to be just about the only player who isn't intimidated at the prospect of playing Flash in a Bo5 (in fact, he prefers it).
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
May 13 2010 11:03 GMT
#775
On May 13 2010 19:49 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2010 19:47 Severedevil wrote:
Bloody hell, another arbiter rush. And free got an early robo for obs after spotting a rax FE? What exactly does he need to detect?

Rax FE Ebay sounds like an invitation for either a 1-base all-in rush, or a 1 gate double expand, to me.


I also so thought that, if you see an obvious rax FE why not just double expand. 2base arbs instead? wtf?

I'm personally baffled. If Terran can't attack, you expand. That's the Protoss way.

...or you can tech to some gimmicky shit and have way less units than the Terran, I guess. That's also an option.

When watching this game, I became very frustrated, because it looked like vultures were hideously overpowered (able to rape groups of dragoons with just a tank or two as backup) and that Protoss had no maneuverability advantage over Terran at all because they would die if they split their forces. Then I realized that Free just had a tiny-ass army, and allowed Flash to claim map control via mines before Flash had tanks to back them up, so he got rolled.
My strategy is to fork people.
whathappened
Profile Joined December 2009
United States213 Posts
May 13 2010 11:04 GMT
#776
On May 13 2010 20:01 arbiter_md wrote:
I see more chances for Jaedong to lose vs Calm, than vs Flash. Remember, he never lost a BO5 to Flash. Jaedong is just immune in BO5's

Except against fOrGG :D

Like everyone else, I'd rather see a rematch of last year's MSL than watching Calm slowly lose, again, to Flash. Atleast we know it's going to be a TvZ.. which is my kind of game.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 13 2010 11:04 GMT
#777
On May 13 2010 20:01 arbiter_md wrote:
I see more chances for Jaedong to lose vs Calm, than vs Flash. Remember, he never lost a BO5 to Flash. Jaedong is just immune in BO5's

Um this statement doesn't really make sense?
First off, if he's immune how can he lose, regardless? He's also not 100% vulnerable--he's dropped Bo5s to three people, TheRock, Calm, and fOrGG (in an 0-3 fashion).
Secondly... dang it's Flash. Look at how Flash is playing. Then look at how Calm is playing. Do you really think Jaedong is going to lose to Calm over Flash now?
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7928 Posts
May 13 2010 11:04 GMT
#778
On May 13 2010 19:42 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2010 19:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:28 minus_human wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:24 OneOther wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:20 OneOther wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:17 De4ngus wrote:
On May 13 2010 19:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
This serie marks the end of the 12 nexus reign. Flash proves the world that with good micro, terran doesn't need to make any concession (normal 11 rax into 4 rines) to his normal build order to lolrape 12 nexus early game.

/12 nex, we won't regret you.

no.....

You just have to respond properly.

Free tried twice, and twice Flash pwned him with the exact same shit. Flash early game style seems to be a hard counter to 12 nex.

well I mean, Flash's forward rax is working so effectively because he knows Protoss players will 12 Nex to start with an economic advantage. You make it seem like forward rax doesn't hurt the Terran but if Protoss decides to zealot harass or early goon pressure the forward rax makes a huge difference. there's no sim city and there is no wall.

Then protoss are fucking dumb because Flash is playing all the time with forward rax theses days. If that was hard countered by anything except 12 nex, people would have done it.

its a risk u have to take vs flash and he recently started doing it a lot

Maybe you are right after all... Time will say. Anyway, the little baller is damn lucky, he bo wins every game.


Yep, that's pure luck.

Miond game is mind game, but you still need some luck. Mind game and bad luck, and you lose anyway. You can predict things because you are smarter, you can't be sure 100%. Mind game is betting, and although on the long term, it's just skill, being 100% accurate on one serie involves a part of luck.


Betting, if you are smarter is quite profitable in the long term, and it always helps Flash (statistically at least, he does come way ahead from mind games more often than not).

See poker for comparison (although it should be a light-hearted comparison!)

We completely agree. Flash dominated Free in terms of mind game. And the smartest wins.

What I was saying is thta to be 100% accurate all time and to hard counter your opponent three times in a row, you still need a bit of luck.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 13 2010 11:05 GMT
#779
On May 13 2010 20:03 Ghardo wrote:
when i read these kind of stories (this thread) i really wish bisu were back in shape

where is the chosen one to bring balance to the force?

The Sith will just have to reign for a while longer :S
Even though Ma Jae Yoon is the sith lord, according to "Heir Apparent."
So theoretically Jaedong is the Sith apprentice?

I confused myself now.
Also you should post once more to get 1337 posts lulz.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
May 13 2010 11:12 GMT
#780
God Young Ho does it again. So now he has the all time best vP ELO as well, beat his overall ELO for the 9th? time and is also in both finals... If he takes both I'm gonna bake a cake with his name on it and post here, just another trophy.
Flash, Stats, Reach, Tossgirl <> Boxer, Nestea, MC, Foxer fangirl | http://osu.ppy.sh/u/181432
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