[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs eSTRO - Page 20
Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments |
Rkie
United States1278 Posts
| ||
o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
| ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On May 11 2010 23:30 Heimatloser wrote: estro just runs out of power. rank 4 after round 1, rank 6, then rank 7 after winnersleague, and now only khan,hite and ace are worse I'm gonna sound biased but I don't really think they're 'running out of power'. They've been doing quite well without Upmagic and Sangho. All of their losses except one were in ace match, so kinda unlucky too lol. | ||
On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:56 KizZBG wrote: I'm gonna sound biased but I don't really think they're 'running out of power'. They've been doing quite well without Upmagic and Sangho. All of their losses except one were in ace match, so kinda unlucky too lol. Really has been VERY dissapointing. If he just won the games he is supposed to, estro would be in a MUCH better spot. | ||
JaedongMidasAction
United States70 Posts
| ||
Wings
United States999 Posts
On May 11 2010 23:46 qrs wrote: Nice screencaps, Tekin. @ everyone bashing on Fantasy's TvZ: granted, it hasn't been looking good lately, but seriously, a little respect for the guy who (temporarily) revolutionized that match-up a year ago, not to mention won PL for his team by beating Jaedong in a TvZ, and came darn close to winning a Bo5 to take the OSL against that same Jaedong, who, in case you hadn't heard, has been known to play a decent game himself, from time to time. I'm not a Fantasy fan at all; in fact, he is one of the few players that I tend to root against, but respect his skills, even if he is in a bit of a slump these days. Besides, considering that he won the game, you theory-crafters will have a pretty hard time making the case that moving out was an objectively bad move. No offense but I hope you're joking. Fantasy's TvZ is under 50%. UNDER 50%. This from a 'supposed' S-Class terran?? Yeah he was gaining attention last year for "revolutionizing" the matchup, but he has burned out so badly, you can't help but wonder if all that was actually his COACHES doing the work (OoV) and him just following orders... there's not many other explanations why he could suddenly be failing this badly. I've always been a Fantasy-doubter from the beginning (in TvZ, I know he's strong at TvP), I just suspect that he really sucks vs Zerg except his coaches' clever builds helps him occasionally win games. | ||
Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:31 Rkie wrote: wow fantasy actually did something smart unlike when he played calm last OSL... You kidding me? He almost lost the game by making the stupidest error of moving out. Why the hell would you move out in that situation? Jesus christ, not even a D- would have moved out against nonstop 4 pool lings. | ||
Jiffymix
United States43 Posts
| ||
SturmAddict
Malaysia176 Posts
He moved out because it was a 100% win-win situation for him Remember, 1) he doesnt know if its a 4/5/6 pool 2) he doesnt have a scout in his opponents main 5/6 pool into macro has time and time again made a zerg come back into the game because the lack of punishment... i recall games from Savior vs FBH and July vs some guy i forgot lol. Remember! fantasy has 2 raxes that means his income isnt pimp neither. Either way, if the zerg 4/5 pool-->macro, he would die 100% of the time to that push since its from 2 rax and has quite a large numbers of marines in it On the other hand, if the zerg made enough lings to destroy the push, all he have to do is wait for a round of firebats, bring his raxes in and wallaw. instant victory with 20 scv versus 4-5 drones. No matter what happens, fantasy will win 100% of the time. The only way fantasy can lose is 1) he loses his rax AND 2) he doesnt block the choke AND he doesnt have enough money to build a proxy factory. ALL are within his skill and micro level to execute. ALL didnt happen. Therefore he won. and played again, he would have win 100% of the time. | ||
Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
| ||
XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
| ||
Disregard
China10252 Posts
| ||
checo
Mexico1364 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:05 Ryo wrote: I suppose that makes Oov a foreigner who knows less than you. lol When your a coach its ace match and your team hasn't been doing that great lately... Well i kinda think you would want your guys to play safe XD | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 12 2010 08:17 SturmAddict wrote: Its nice when people dont read. He moved out because it was a 100% win-win situation for him Remember, 1) he doesnt know if its a 4/5/6 pool 2) he doesnt have a scout in his opponents main 5/6 pool into macro has time and time again made a zerg come back into the game because the lack of punishment... i recall games from Savior vs FBH and July vs some guy i forgot lol. Remember! fantasy has 2 raxes that means his income isnt pimp neither. Either way, if the zerg 4/5 pool-->macro, he would die 100% of the time to that push since its from 2 rax and has quite a large numbers of marines in it On the other hand, if the zerg made enough lings to destroy the push, all he have to do is wait for a round of firebats, bring his raxes in and wallaw. instant victory with 20 scv versus 4-5 drones. No matter what happens, fantasy will win 100% of the time. The only way fantasy can lose is 1) he loses his rax AND 2) he doesnt block the choke AND he doesnt have enough money to build a proxy factory. ALL are within his skill and micro level to execute. ALL didnt happen. Therefore he won. and played again, he would have win 100% of the time. Oov was raging and facepalming and his understanding of TvZ is greater than yours so quit theorycrafting. Fantasy came very close to throwing this game from an unbeatable position. | ||
OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
I'm not sure why Action pulled a 4pool... maybe his coaching staff told him to (remember JD vs fantasy where JD pulled a 4pool, failed initially, but then broke fanta's bunker and won?). Still, Action has a good enough ZvT (and fantasy's TvZ isn't spectacular) to win it playing "standard" for estro. | ||
Silentness
United States2821 Posts
| ||
SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
and Oov's reaction is priceless, I think he has the long matchup record if I'm not mistaken? 27-0 TvZ, Boxer only had something like 13-0 TvZ, and another record is Best's 15(?)-0 PvP (broken by Stork during the Batoo OSL Semi's)... | ||
~ava
Canada378 Posts
On May 12 2010 08:17 SturmAddict wrote: On the other hand, if the zerg made enough lings to destroy the push, all he have to do is wait for a round of firebats, bring his raxes in and wallaw. Do you mean voila by any chance? I lol'd hard. | ||
Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On May 12 2010 20:23 SilverSkyLark wrote: Action should have played standard, his tvz is actually good, oh well.. and Oov's reaction is priceless, I think he has the long matchup record if I'm not mistaken? 27-0 TvZ, Boxer only had something like 13-0 TvZ, and another record is Best's 15(?)-0 PvP (broken by Stork during the Batoo OSL Semi's)... didnt flash have some 17-18 game win streaks in tvt and tvz simultaneously during the first part of this season? | ||
SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On May 12 2010 22:08 Black Gun wrote: didnt flash have some 17-18 game win streaks in tvt and tvz simultaneously during the first part of this season? according to tlpd His TvT streak is 12-0 and oh what do we have here, his TvZ streak is 12-0 too.. | ||
| ||