[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs eSTRO - Page 19

On May 11 2010 23:46 qrs wrote:
Besides, considering that he won the game, you theory-crafters will have a pretty hard time making the case that moving out was an objectively bad move.

On May 11 2010 23:46 qrs wrote:

Nice screencaps, Tekin.

@ everyone bashing on Fantasy's TvZ: granted, it hasn't been looking good lately, but seriously, a little respect for the guy who (temporarily) revolutionized that match-up a year ago, not to mention won PL for his team by beating Jaedong in a TvZ, and came darn close to winning a Bo5 to take the OSL against that same Jaedong, who, in case you hadn't heard, has been known to play a decent game himself, from time to time. I'm not a Fantasy fan at all; in fact, he is one of the few players that I tend to root against, but respect his skills, even if he is in a bit of a slump these days.

Besides, considering that he won the game, you theory-crafters will have a pretty hard time making the case that moving out was an objectively bad move.

On May 11 2010 23:55 okum wrote:

So any time someone wins a game, every action they made was good? That's pretty retarded and I think you know it.

On May 12 2010 00:40 qrs wrote:

Let me put it this way: after Fantasy moved out, did Action have a chance to win the game, or even drag it out? If not, then on what basis do you call it a bad move?

If yes, then why didn't Action win the game? Did he also make a mistake? What more could he have done? He executed pretty well on the ling surround and he got into the main and I didn't see any horrible micro mistakes on Action's part: it still wasn't enough for him to win.

On May 12 2010 00:56 qrs wrote:
We know that Action had 3 drones because we saw his base. Fantasy didn't know that. Had Action droned up instead, moving out would definitely have been the quickest way to end the game and prevent any chance of Action's coming back into it. Even if Action were going all in (which he was), Fantasy knew that with firebats, medics, SCVs and micro, he could hold it off.

My point is that fantasy's fate was in his hands the whole time, even after he moved out. It's not fair to blame a player for strategical stupidity if he chooses to rely on his micro and doesn't mismicro. The proof of the pudding is in the eating: his decision was fine.

On May 12 2010 00:27 konadora wrote:
fantasy won a TvZ in ace match.

Fuck yeah.

On May 12 2010 01:31 alffla wrote:


u gotta watch the game first lmao

On May 12 2010 02:23 SturmAddict wrote:
Firstly we have two things you can do
1) Move out and attack zerg
2) Camp for medics, then push

Now lets go on the foreigners mindset, play as safe as possible. get a medic and push. There was two things the zerg could have done

1) it might have been a 5/6 pool and he droned up
2) he kept on building zerglings
Because fantasy didnt know which one is it, idd say 50:50 for either of this to happen.

So foreigners mindset = play safe. get medics and push
In situation one 50%, the zerg would scout it, place sunkens, and macro up. he will quite a few drones and wont really mind putting down sunkens. Terran is in an advantage, but he still have a 5-10% chance to lose. Sav*** vs Fbh was one of the games where rush--> macro could get someone into the game. and no. neither is C
So chances of terran losing is 0.5*0.75 =~3.75% chance to lose
#Recall, he didnt know if its a 4 or 5 or 6 pool cuz he has no scouting scv

In situation two, zerg massed lings. Unless he gets a large flank on an attack, the zerg will lose
Chances of terran losing = 0.00001%~

So chances of losing with foreigner play = 3.75% + 0.00001% ~ 3.75% chance to lose


Now lets take the korean players view
What if 1) happened. There is no bloody way the zerg could have had enough lings to defend against rines from 2 rax. Insta-win. The timing was s.t there was no way the zerg has his nat up AND enough drones to get sunkens in his nat. He might be forced to sunk his main, but that would do nothing against rines. Chances of losing = 0.00001%

what if 2) happened. Zerg mass lings with 3 drones mining. It will annihilate the rines (which is the only way not to die to it), but all Fantasy had to do was pull back to the choke with medics and firebats, block with SCV's, and win as stim+range is finishing which will be the doom to zerg.
There is no bloody way the terran can lose this. Unless he lost both his barracks =< but Fantasy clearly was waiting for a second firebat before lifting. Then his 20 scv economy kicks in versus 3 drones.
Chances of losing = 0.00001% plus fans are happy, commentators can scream on, and he can get revenge on his coach. ezpz

Chances of losing with the korean mind set = 0.00001+0.000001% ~ 0%

0% losing chance is better then a 1%+ losing chance