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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 10 2010 11:21 GMT
#321
On May 10 2010 20:19 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 20:08 moopie wrote:
On May 10 2010 19:52 Caos2 wrote:
On May 10 2010 19:51 Fionn wrote:
50 wins before Round 5.

What a monster.


Well, if Flash won 50 games so far, what does that mean for the rest of his team?


On May 10 2010 19:53 Jackal03 wrote:
50 wins on the 5th round shows 2 things:

1) Flash is a monster
2) Flash is overused



It says that he has a monstrous win %. If you check his stats for this season's proleague, he actually hasn't played many more games than a handful of 'top' players.

Not counting tonight's games (not yet updated in TLPD):

Flash has 51 wins - 7 losses (including WL finals) = 60 games total
Kal has 32 wins - 20 losses = 52 games total
Jaedong has 38 wins - 18 losses = 50 games total.
Light has 39 wins - 24 losses = 63 games total
Zero has 32 wins - 19 losses = 51 games total
Really also has 32 wins - 19 losses - 51 games total

Overused? perhaps, but not drastically so compared to others. 50 wins in the 4th round mainly means he just has 88% win record compared to jaedong's 68%, Zero/Really's 63% and Kal's/Light's 62%.

(Yes, I'm aware this won't stop the trolls hating on KT in this thread for using flash for ace).


Edit: for good measure, added a few more.



Flash has 48 wins not counting today's and 50 counting today's. :p



Note that I said "Including WL finals".
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
May 10 2010 11:22 GMT
#322
Ruby 31% TvT 63% TvZ what the fuck?
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Gtks
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece135 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-09 14:59:03
May 10 2010 11:23 GMT
#323
What i don't understund is Rubys moves i mostly speack about strategie in a gamelay objetives, priorities. The last match Ruby throw 400 minerals for a second command center and 100
minerals for a supply depot just to get inside and see what the build order? With that amoud of money if you play with 1 factory you can build 6 vultures (6 X 75 = 450) and you have 50 minerals advandage for a starport. Flash the only information he need it was if there is a 2nd command center in his rubys base and when he seen it he knew he won the game.

That was simple mathimatics. Thats made the vultire russ and the wraith russ possible.

I also learned and the edit button (thanks) i don't like music in the stream only 1 stream link ;( but i like to dedicate a song to the anti-Flash club with the look "how did i loose this?" the song "looser" Artist Beck lyrics:

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey,
butane in my veins so I'm out to get the junkie
with the plastic eyeballs, spraypaint the vegetables,
dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose,
kill the headlights and put it in neutral,
stockcar flaming with a loser in the cruise control,
baby's in Reno with the vitamin D,
got a couple of couches, sleep on the love seat,
someone came sayin' I'm insane
to complain about
a shotgun wedding and a stain on my shirt,
don't believe everything that you breathe,
you get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve,
so shave your face with some mace in the dark,
saving all your food stamps for burning down the trailer park,

yo, cut it
Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me,
double barrel buckshot,
Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me,

forces of evil on a bozo nightmare,
ban all the music with a phony gas chamber
cause one's got a weasel and others got a flag,
one's on the pole, shove the other in the bag,
with the rerun shows and cocaine nose job,
the daytime crap of the folk singers slop,
he hung himself with a guitar string,
a slab of turkey neck and it's hangin' from a pigeon wing,
I can't write if ya' can't relate,
trade the cash for the beef for the body for the hate,
and my time is a piece of wax, fallen on a termite,
who's chokin' on the splinters

Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me
get crazy with the cheez-wiz,
Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me
drive, by, body pierce
yo bring it on down

Soy

(em llik uoy t'nod yhw os ybab resol a m'I, rodedrep nu yoS)

I'm a driver, I'm a winner
things are gonna' change I can feel it

Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me
Gtks: I can't believe it
Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me
Sprechen sie deutsch, baby

Soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me
Gtks: You know what I'm sayin'

Ps: I done from this theat.
Thessaloniki - Greece
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 10 2010 11:23 GMT
#324
On May 10 2010 20:21 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 20:19 SuperArc wrote:
On May 10 2010 20:08 moopie wrote:
On May 10 2010 19:52 Caos2 wrote:
On May 10 2010 19:51 Fionn wrote:
50 wins before Round 5.

What a monster.


Well, if Flash won 50 games so far, what does that mean for the rest of his team?


On May 10 2010 19:53 Jackal03 wrote:
50 wins on the 5th round shows 2 things:

1) Flash is a monster
2) Flash is overused



It says that he has a monstrous win %. If you check his stats for this season's proleague, he actually hasn't played many more games than a handful of 'top' players.

Not counting tonight's games (not yet updated in TLPD):

Flash has 51 wins - 7 losses (including WL finals) = 60 games total
Kal has 32 wins - 20 losses = 52 games total
Jaedong has 38 wins - 18 losses = 50 games total.
Light has 39 wins - 24 losses = 63 games total
Zero has 32 wins - 19 losses = 51 games total
Really also has 32 wins - 19 losses - 51 games total

Overused? perhaps, but not drastically so compared to others. 50 wins in the 4th round mainly means he just has 88% win record compared to jaedong's 68%, Zero/Really's 63% and Kal's/Light's 62%.

(Yes, I'm aware this won't stop the trolls hating on KT in this thread for using flash for ace).


Edit: for good measure, added a few more.



Flash has 48 wins not counting today's and 50 counting today's. :p



Note that I said "Including WL finals".


Yeah, but why? :o
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 12:00:08
May 10 2010 11:25 GMT
#325
On May 10 2010 20:23 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 20:21 moopie wrote:
On May 10 2010 20:19 SuperArc wrote:
On May 10 2010 20:08 moopie wrote:
On May 10 2010 19:52 Caos2 wrote:
On May 10 2010 19:51 Fionn wrote:
50 wins before Round 5.

What a monster.


Well, if Flash won 50 games so far, what does that mean for the rest of his team?


On May 10 2010 19:53 Jackal03 wrote:
50 wins on the 5th round shows 2 things:

1) Flash is a monster
2) Flash is overused



It says that he has a monstrous win %. If you check his stats for this season's proleague, he actually hasn't played many more games than a handful of 'top' players.

Not counting tonight's games (not yet updated in TLPD):

Flash has 51 wins - 7 losses (including WL finals) = 60 games total
Kal has 32 wins - 20 losses = 52 games total
Jaedong has 38 wins - 18 losses = 56 games total.
Light has 39 wins - 24 losses = 63 games total
Zero has 32 wins - 19 losses = 51 games total
Really also has 32 wins - 19 losses - 51 games total

Overused? perhaps, but not drastically so compared to others. 50 wins in the 4th round mainly means he just has 88% win record compared to jaedong's 68%, Zero/Really's 63% and Kal's/Light's 62%.

(Yes, I'm aware this won't stop the trolls hating on KT in this thread for using flash for ace).


Edit: for good measure, added a few more.



Flash has 48 wins not counting today's and 50 counting today's. :p



Note that I said "Including WL finals".


Yeah, but why? :o


Just cause I sorted all the players from 09-10-10 (beginning of 2009-2010 Shinhan Bank Proleague) including all team leagues (so that I don't have to add up both WL and proleague seperately). WL finals are included on said list, even though their scores don't officially count. It makes the process (and linking to the data) simpler.

edit: also, excluding the finals only helps my point by dropping his total games (-tonight) to 57, thus bringing them even closer to the other top players. My point was merely that he isn't as overused as people think he is. He is however keeping KT alive a lot, which I don't think anyone has disputed (but he isn't doing that by playing that many more games than other top players).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
May 10 2010 11:28 GMT
#326
Is it just me, or hasn't there been a serious "Recommended games" section in weeks?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
May 10 2010 11:34 GMT
#327
Wow Violet and Stats FAIL
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
SturmAddict
Profile Joined October 2009
Malaysia176 Posts
May 10 2010 11:47 GMT
#328
What i don't understund is Rubys moves i mostly speack about strategie in a gamelay objetives, priorities. The last match Ruby throw 400 minerals for a second command center and 100
minerals for a supply depot just to get inside and see what the build order? With thout amoud of money if you play with 1 factory you can build 6 vultures (6 X 75 = 450) and you have 50 minerals advandage for a starport. Flash the only information he need it was if there is a 2nd command center in his rubys base and when he seen it he knew he won the game.


You are wrong -.-
14CC is safe against 1 fact expand / 2 fact pushes if you know what he is going to do.

14CC--> 1 fact tanks-->starport is safe if the opponent expanded vs your 14cc
14CC--> 2-3 fact vults is safe against most aggressive one base early fact play vs 14cc

Ruby thought flash expanded, so he built his starport. before second fact.
Flash didnt expand, so he won.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 10 2010 11:51 GMT
#329
On May 10 2010 20:47 SturmAddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
What i don't understund is Rubys moves i mostly speack about strategie in a gamelay objetives, priorities. The last match Ruby throw 400 minerals for a second command center and 100
minerals for a supply depot just to get inside and see what the build order? With thout amoud of money if you play with 1 factory you can build 6 vultures (6 X 75 = 450) and you have 50 minerals advandage for a starport. Flash the only information he need it was if there is a 2nd command center in his rubys base and when he seen it he knew he won the game.


You are wrong -.-
14CC is safe against 1 fact expand / 2 fact pushes if you know what he is going to do.

14CC--> 1 fact tanks-->starport is safe if the opponent expanded vs your 14cc
14CC--> 2-3 fact vults is safe against most aggressive one base early fact play vs 14cc

Ruby thought flash expanded, so he built his starport. before second fact.
Flash didnt expand, so he won.


Also he cancelled the supply depot after he squeezed his scv through the wall, so he didn't throw away 100 mins on it.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
May 10 2010 12:29 GMT
#330
On May 10 2010 20:22 SubtleArt wrote:
Ruby 31% TvT 63% TvZ what the fuck?


You seem surprised. Everyone knows Ruby is pretty good at TvZ.

Dunno why they would sacrifice him to lose to Flash... AGAIN in the same night but whatever *shrugs*
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
May 10 2010 12:34 GMT
#331
On May 10 2010 21:29 Silentness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 20:22 SubtleArt wrote:
Ruby 31% TvT 63% TvZ what the fuck?


You seem surprised. Everyone knows Ruby is pretty good at TvZ.

Dunno why they would sacrifice him to lose to Flash... AGAIN in the same night but whatever *shrugs*


They probably figured that if KT sends Flash its hopeless no matter what, but that if they send Hoejja Ruby's got it in the bag.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 10 2010 12:35 GMT
#332
Ruby didn't think Flash expanded.
His scouting SCV snuck inside Flash's base and saw 3 scv on gas after the factory was built.

At most, he didn't realize that Flash went another starport afterwords.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
May 10 2010 12:36 GMT
#333
On May 10 2010 21:29 Silentness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 20:22 SubtleArt wrote:
Ruby 31% TvT 63% TvZ what the fuck?


You seem surprised. Everyone knows Ruby is pretty good at TvZ.

Dunno why they would sacrifice him to lose to Flash... AGAIN in the same night but whatever *shrugs*
Maybe the ACE coach thought after the 1st match, KT would let Flash rest to continue practice for the MSL and send out Hoejja for the 5th game?
KT Roflster - the lulziest team of Proleague.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 10 2010 12:40 GMT
#334
On May 10 2010 21:36 dtnmang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 21:29 Silentness wrote:
On May 10 2010 20:22 SubtleArt wrote:
Ruby 31% TvT 63% TvZ what the fuck?


You seem surprised. Everyone knows Ruby is pretty good at TvZ.

Dunno why they would sacrifice him to lose to Flash... AGAIN in the same night but whatever *shrugs*
Maybe the ACE coach thought after the 1st match, KT would let Flash rest to continue practice for the MSL and send out Hoejja for the 5th game?


Yeah thats probably it..
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 10 2010 13:03 GMT
#335
And KTFlash can't even 3-0 or 3-1 ACE?
Hmm but Reach is pretty hot so it's okay.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 10 2010 13:09 GMT
#336
On May 10 2010 22:03 flamewheel91 wrote:
And KTFlash can't even 3-0 or 3-1 ACE?
Hmm but Reach is pretty hot so it's okay.

better than Jaedong Oz against ACE at least.
Woo Jung Ho
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 14:52:07
May 10 2010 14:50 GMT
#337
Flash after the match:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

He's so big...
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 15:21:44
May 10 2010 15:21 GMT
#338
On May 10 2010 23:50 J1.au wrote:
Flash after the match:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

He's so big...


Wasn't Flash called the Little Monster?

lol

he did step out a bit so I suppose that is why
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 10 2010 15:32 GMT
#339
KT Protoss failing this time around.

Should of sent Much in ace to snipe flash!
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 16:23:55
May 10 2010 16:15 GMT
#340
WTF happened. Kt had to rely on Flash on win against ACE? Damn.

Read the LR, the other KTs failed hard and went 1-2 versus ACE players...
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