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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 08 2010 05:34 GMT
#361
On May 08 2010 14:32 Weasel- wrote:
That was some pretty damn good ZvT from EffOrt, but not good enough for Flash...yet.

unfortunately effort is gonna have to snap flash's fingers to have good enuth ZvT =P
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
May 08 2010 05:34 GMT
#362
On May 08 2010 14:32 Severedevil wrote:
Huh. I thought Fantasy had that when it was 3 base vs. 3 base and Effort was out of lurkers.

Guess I don't understand TvZ, or don't understand Fantasy.


effort defiler+lurkers bought him enought time to transition to cows
BW is back
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
May 08 2010 05:34 GMT
#363
I thought fantasy played a very solid game, Effort just played better.
parasite
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 05:35:22
May 08 2010 05:34 GMT
#364
On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players.


Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/

If you consider them incompetent then everybody except jaedong / bisu / flash are baddies.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
May 08 2010 05:35 GMT
#365
I don't think effort was ever far behind.

It was close, but he played well throughout.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 08 2010 05:35 GMT
#366
On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players.


Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/


You don't watch many TvZs involving Effort or fantasy do you...
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 08 2010 05:35 GMT
#367
On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players.


Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/


I don't think you've seen recent Effort ZvTs and Fantasy TvZs. They've been absolutely pathetic.
Remember Violet.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
May 08 2010 05:35 GMT
#368
On May 08 2010 14:34 hp.Shell wrote:
SKT should've expected Effort and sent someone else so that Fantasy could be part of the cleanup crew.


actually sending a zerg would have been a much better choice

or canata with a timing push, seems like most of effort's 2010 losses were to timing pushes
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 05:37:04
May 08 2010 05:35 GMT
#369
On May 08 2010 14:33 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 14:32 Severedevil wrote:
Huh. I thought Fantasy had that when it was 3 base vs. 3 base and Effort was out of lurkers.

Guess I don't understand TvZ, or don't understand Fantasy.


Hive power.

Hive is quite powerful. It just felt like there was a point when Fantasy had not only matched bases, but was able to kick Effort around even under dark swarm because he could afford a pile of firebats + irradiate + d-matrix while Effort didn't have any units.

Maybe I'm too used to Flash bio, and underestimating the power of busting out with ultras.
My strategy is to fork people.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17720 Posts
May 08 2010 05:36 GMT
#370
(T)fantasy screwed this up more than (Z)EffOrt won it.
He split his forces too thin and couldn't break him when he was at an advantage, then he just threw it away.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
May 08 2010 05:38 GMT
#371
i predict a canata vs movie 4th set

BW is back
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
May 08 2010 05:38 GMT
#372
On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players.


Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/

If you consider them incompetent then everybody except jaedong / bisu / flash are baddies.

Bisu no longer belongs to that category

Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
BreakerD
Profile Joined March 2010
United States159 Posts
May 08 2010 05:38 GMT
#373
Dude if Bisu doesnt win next round they better send boxer into ace.................everyone knows bisu's coming out no matter what cuz we all no movie's coming out
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
May 08 2010 05:38 GMT
#374
On May 08 2010 14:36 Manit0u wrote:
(T)fantasy screwed this up more than (Z)EffOrt won it.
He split his forces too thin and couldn't break him when he was at an advantage, then he just threw it away.

I agree, but let's not be too negative - Effort was plaguing like a monster ever since he researched it. Red poison everywhere.
My strategy is to fork people.
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 05:41:34
May 08 2010 05:39 GMT
#375
On May 08 2010 14:38 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:
On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players.


Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/

If you consider them incompetent then everybody except jaedong / bisu / flash are baddies.

Bisu no longer belongs to that category



Yes sadly... But it was just as an idea of the concept.

But common... fantasy and effort are still the ace players of their teams. Not so long ago they were carrying their team, and still are, in proleague. Thats a bit over the top to say that these two cant provide good games.
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
May 08 2010 05:39 GMT
#376
On May 08 2010 14:38 BreakerD wrote:
Dude if Bisu doesnt win next round they better send boxer into ace.................everyone knows bisu's coming out no matter what cuz we all no movie's coming out

Agreed.
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
May 08 2010 05:39 GMT
#377
effort's defiler control used to be alot better, this game it was really bad. luckily fantasy had really bad bio control, unnecessarily suicided a ton of units, and didn't bother with drops. he also had large groups of marines without any medics nearby.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 05:41:33
May 08 2010 05:40 GMT
#378
On May 08 2010 14:36 Manit0u wrote:
(T)fantasy screwed this up more than (Z)EffOrt won it.
He split his forces too thin and couldn't break him when he was at an advantage, then he just threw it away.


Are you kidding? (T)fantasy kept his army intact the entire game, but (Z)EffOrt was able to chip away at the edges constantly, then hit multiple places at once with the wonderfully powerful ultra/ling. Also, EffOrt plagued like the rat flea.

On May 08 2010 14:35 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 14:34 dafunk wrote:
On May 08 2010 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
A surprisingly competent game from both players.


Why ? Its a top2-3 terran/zerg encounter. They always provide excellent games. Thats no surprise imo :/


I don't think you've seen recent Effort ZvTs and Fantasy TvZs. They've been absolutely pathetic.


EffOrt's ZvT has been pretty bad, but fantasy has simply been beaten twice with that fast vulture build, which, to be fair isn't that bad at all, it's just that he's had to face goddamn Jaedong who reacts perfectly to everything, and Calm who reacted well mysteriously.

But we all know the legend of the tiebreaker says that EffOrt can't lose in either ZvZ or ZvT until he wins the OSL.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
May 08 2010 05:40 GMT
#379
Do you guys think T1 could have made this next set easier by sending a fall guy to play against effort so that Fantasy/Bisu could play Movie for the match?
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
May 08 2010 05:40 GMT
#380
Sick play from effort and fantasy, that game was awesome.
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