EPT[SPL] Hwaseung OZ vs KT Rolster - Page 30
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Jiffymix
United States43 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 27 2010 19:54 SuperArc wrote: Violet seriously has no skills. All he can do is build templars and press storm. Holgerius, how can you like Violet and hate Movie? They are like twins. Yeah it's not like he opened the game with an excellent strat to keep Hiya in his base while he outexpands him, coupled with good shuttle micro. And it's not like he didn't break Hiya's pushes 5 times in a row with not only Aaaaamazing Storms (let me guess, you think Jangbi's PvT is bad?) but excellent unit position. The only thing lacking that game was better observer placement (lost too many goons to mines, a problem Violet's had for awhile) and better arbiter micro when engaging big armies (His recalls were both excellent). basically, shut up Violet rules. >:[ | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
KT 3-0 woot! whos the one man team now huh!!! | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:04 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yeah it's not like he opened the game with an excellent strat to keep Hiya in his base while he outexpands him, coupled with good shuttle micro. And it's not like he didn't break Hiya's pushes 5 times in a row with not only Aaaaamazing Storms (let me guess, you think Jangbi's PvT is bad?) but excellent unit position. The only thing lacking that game was better observer placement (lost too many goons to mines, a problem Violet's had for awhile) and better arbiter micro when engaging big armies (His recalls were both excellent). basically, shut up Violet rules. >:[ No, Jangbi's PvT used to be good. But he still didn't deserve to advance over Nada just like Violet didn't deserve to win this game. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:04 below66 wrote: lol @ the guys that get offended because someone says someone sucks, and then tells them wheres your replay at if your so good?, you don't have to be the best to judge the best get over yourselves. Can you please learn to quote. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
double 331 posts ftw | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:07 SuperArc wrote: No, Jangbi's PvT used to be good. But he still didn't deserve to advance over Nada just like Violet didn't deserve to win this game. So, what's your opinion on Hiya missing half his EMPs, and never EMPing a templar all game? It's not like Terran is completely at Protoss's mercy if they make 10 templars. Or about his turtle style? I can't recall if you've ever criticized flash for that (you've done it for everything else), but Hiya was pretty happy to max up 2-1 on 3 bases for 10 minutes. I know you root for Oz but atleast admit when one player plays better than the other. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:04 below66 wrote: lol @ the guys that get offended because someone says someone sucks, and then tells them wheres your replay at if your so good?, you don't have to be the best to judge the best get over yourselves. I think people said pointed out that someone had an unfounded and inaccurate reason for why someone is not a good player. No one said anyone sucks. No one is really offended, they are just at a disagreement. Finally, no one mentioned anything about any kind of reply. I have no idea where this comment came from. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 27 2010 19:54 SuperArc wrote: Violet seriously has no skills. All he can do is build templars and press storm. Holgerius, how can you like Violet and hate Movie? They are like twins. Because Violet doesn't go 1 Base DT+Reavers, 12 Nex --> DT Drop and gimmicky stuff like that literally every single game. In this game he had some moments when he played like shit, but overall he played very smart; Terran turtles, so instead of going for super fail recalls like Movie would've done (because he can't play proper management games) he just mass expanded and got a billion gateways. He had great macro throughout the entire game and pulled off some sexy pushbreaking manouvers with great storms and shit. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:00 Fx_ wrote: No skills? Who are you? mb Stork? Show your skills pls and we compare LOL Great game Violet | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:08 TwoToneTerran wrote: So, what's your opinion on Hiya missing half his EMPs, and never EMPing a templar all game? It's not like Terran is completely at Protoss's mercy if they make 10 templars. Or about his turtle style? I can't recall if you've ever criticized flash for that (you've done it for everything else), but Hiya was pretty happy to max up 2-1 on 3 bases for 10 minutes. I know you root for Oz but atleast admit when one player plays better than the other. Hiya has done his best to snipe shuttles and EMP templars AND arbiters. You try EMPing arbiters coming from every direction, templars on ground and in shuttles. Otherwise he would have lost his army way sooner. Violet definitely did not play better than Hiya. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:08 Qwertify wrote: I think people said pointed out that someone had an unfounded and inaccurate reason for why someone is not a good player. No one said anyone sucks. No one is really offended, they are just at a disagreement. Finally, no one mentioned anything about any kind of reply. I have no idea where this comment came from. there's liek 3 examples in this thread alone... i dont care to look for more of them cause im watching the other stream now | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:10 Holgerius wrote: Because Violet doesn't go 1 Base DT+Reavers, 12 Nex --> DT Drop and gimmicky stuff like that literally every single game. In this game he had some moments when he played like shit, but overall he played very smart; Terran turtles, so instead of going for super fail recalls like Movie would've done (because he can't play proper management games) he just mass expanded and got a billion gateways. He had great macro throughout the entire game and pulled off some sexy pushbreaking manouvers with great storms and shit. I would have to agree with that. The mistakes he made with his control came mainly at the end-game, where he had so many things to deal with at once (off 8 base, 200/200 on multiple fronts). Violet's control has never been perfect, but he still handled it ok. However, in the early game he did play very well (even though his initial shuttle harass was mainly blocked by well placed turrets). He managed to keep the CC out of 5.5 and the tanks from pushing out for a long while with good goon control. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:12 SuperArc wrote: Hiya has done his best to snipe shuttles and EMP templars AND arbiters. You try EMPing arbiters coming from every direction, templars on ground and in shuttles. Otherwise he would have lost his army way sooner. Violet definitely did not play better than Hiya. You think it's easy to come in with Arbiters from every direction, templars on ground and in shuttles? Violet did a great job. Hiya's TvP is scary as hell, he always crushes Stork like it's a piece of cake. Beating him like Violet did in this game is not easy. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
PS the only time Hiya killed templars during that game was with mines (Violet's one true weakness) or if they had already used their storms. He did a terrible job keeping Violet's units in check. The only reason we didn't see more stasis that game was because Violet forwent having tons of arbiters and instead spent his gas on Temps. That's a gameplay decision that obviously payed off. I never saw an EMP'd temp, btw. I saw him miss a few on temps. Hiya EMP'd a few arbiters, though. I'm just tired of seeing people discredit Violet all the time. It's not like he's cheesey at all. The cheesiest thing he does is go carriers off four base. He almost always wins standard, usually long and drawn out, games. He takes solid wins from top players fairly often, won some ace games, and is overall a solid Toss despite a recent slump. There's just no reason to discredit him as a good player. =( | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:16 TwoToneTerran wrote: I never saw an EMP'd temp, btw. I saw him miss a few on temps. Hiya EMP'd a few arbiters, though. There was that time he EMPed 4 templar and a single tank shot killed all of them. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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okum
France5779 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:16 TwoToneTerran wrote: Storming a tankling and vultures is about as hard as EMPing an arbiter or templar. A tankling, is that when you have so many tanks that it's like a swarm of zerglings? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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