EPTOn April 24 2010 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
mvp is a serious hustlah, im looking forward to that match
mvp is a serious hustlah, im looking forward to that match
My sentiments exactly.
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Ryo
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nozaro33
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 Movie *sigh*But then if Baby advanced he would have to face Flash (again!) | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On April 24 2010 20:53 nozaro33 wrote: Baby Movie *sigh*But then if Baby advanced he would have to face Flash (again!) Actually, he would have faced Calm (and Flash would have met Midas, and Jaedong would end up against Great). | ||
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Kenpachi
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Biff The Understudy
France8216 Posts
On April 24 2010 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote: mvp is a serious hustlah, im looking forward to that match We will see... I still can't believe he is so solid. He looked way better than BaBy today, but I can't imagine Flash getting behinnd in vulture early game or lose at this kind of style. Wait and see as they say in England. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Fantasy. You are BAD at TvZ. How is that even possible! (Btw. I'm SO EXCITED for Hiya vs Free. I think that should be a great MU) | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:03 Holgerius wrote: Fantasy was never better than Flash. I look at it this way. When Fantasy was winning games in the OSL and proleague a few months ago, he was really, really, really, good. People thought he was better than Flash at that point since Flash was failing bad. However, its the complete opposite now. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 25 2010 00:11 Housemd wrote: I look at it this way. When Fantasy was winning games in the OSL and proleague a few months ago, he was really, really, really, good. People thought he was better than Flash at that point since Flash was failing bad. However, its the complete opposite now. Fantasy was never better than Flash. Just to reiterate. Flash was never failing bad, he was merely mortal. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
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Black Gun
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On April 25 2010 00:57 Black Gun wrote: The opposite for me ...at least it would have been if MVP hadn't advanced.wow, in all 4 matches my favorites didnt make it. I suppose it does work out though, since I hoped Flash > Baby in Ro8. | ||
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MuffinDude
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Xiphos
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On April 25 2010 00:47 Jayme wrote: Fantasy was never better than Flash. Just to reiterate. Flash was never failing bad, he was merely mortal. Flash came nowhere near winning a starleague, and got his ass kicked by every good player of PvT or ZvT, reliably, for six months... and he only became the clearly dominant TvT'er near the end of that period. His claim to fame was reliably defeating any mediocre player. (Backho not counting as mediocre.) Fantasy was somewhat unreliable in TvZ but was a serious threat to any player, had the best TvP and ~tied for best TvT, and made deep starleague runs in three consecutive seasons, coming very, very close to three consecutive OSL victories (but losing all of them, 2-3 to Stork, 2-3 to Jaedong, and then a 1-3 loss to Jaedong in the semis). Fantasy, not Flash, was the Terran of choice to study and mimic in TvZ, with his mech revolution. Yes, in 2009 before the summer break, Fantasy was better than Flash. Now Flash is demonstrably better than Fantasy in every possible regard. | ||
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o[twist]
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 25 2010 03:24 Severedevil wrote: Flash came nowhere near winning a starleague, and got his ass kicked by every good player of PvT or ZvT, reliably, for six months... and he only became the clearly dominant TvT'er near the end of that period. His claim to fame was reliably defeating any mediocre player. (Backho not counting as mediocre.) Fantasy was somewhat unreliable in TvZ but was a serious threat to any player, had the best TvP and ~tied for best TvT, and made deep starleague runs in three consecutive seasons, coming very, very close to three consecutive OSL victories (but losing all of them, 2-3 to Stork, 2-3 to Jaedong, and then a 1-3 loss to Jaedong in the semis). Fantasy, not Flash, was the Terran of choice to study and mimic in TvZ, with his mech revolution. Yes, in 2009 before the summer break, Fantasy was better than Flash. Now Flash is demonstrably better than Fantasy in every possible regard. Fantasy was a gimmick and will always be a gimmick. He was never a truly solid player. That was ALWAYS my gripe with him. His mech "revolution" had a giant gaping hole in it that Zergs ended up figuring out pretty quickly. Now you barely ever see it. Fantasy has never had even adequate M&M control. The only thing Fantasy ever did better than Flash at any point was TvP. | ||
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o[twist]
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
United States627 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On April 25 2010 03:24 Severedevil wrote: Flash came nowhere near winning a starleague, and got his ass kicked by every good player of PvT or ZvT, reliably, for six months... and he only became the clearly dominant TvT'er near the end of that period. His claim to fame was reliably defeating any mediocre player. (Backho not counting as mediocre.) Fantasy was somewhat unreliable in TvZ but was a serious threat to any player, had the best TvP and ~tied for best TvT, and made deep starleague runs in three consecutive seasons, coming very, very close to three consecutive OSL victories (but losing all of them, 2-3 to Stork, 2-3 to Jaedong, and then a 1-3 loss to Jaedong in the semis). Fantasy, not Flash, was the Terran of choice to study and mimic in TvZ, with his mech revolution. Yes, in 2009 before the summer break, Fantasy was better than Flash. Now Flash is demonstrably better than Fantasy in every possible regard. Fantasy's TvT was never as good as Flash's, and Flash certainly did not lose to "every good player". Everyone at the time still knew Flash was much more threatening than his individual league results indicated, his TvZ was very strong and while he struggled against top Protoss players in the limited encounters he had with them during that time period he still crushed almost every other one he faced. While Fantasy was off collecting silver medals, Flash was tying for most wins in Proleague and almost carrying his team which was completely god awful for most of the season to a playoff berth. Fantasy showed much weaker results in Proleague despite the fact that unlike Flash he didn't even have to consistently worry about serving as SKT's ace player. It's easy to look back and say "Hey, Fantasy did better in individual leagues, therefore he was the better player", but he was definitely never widely considered to be so at the time and I still don't think it to be the case. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 25 2010 03:30 Jayme wrote: Fantasy was a gimmick and will always be a gimmick. He was never a truly solid player. That was ALWAYS my gripe with him. His mech "revolution" had a giant gaping hole in it that Zergs ended up figuring out pretty quickly. Now you barely ever see it. Fantasy has never had even adequate M&M control. The only thing Fantasy ever did better than Flash at any point was TvP. "Fantasy was always a gimmick" What????? He came to fame rather quickly and almost won 2 straight OSL WHILE putting up some pretty good results in Proleague. Flash did not have the same reliability that Fantasy displayed (talking about 6 months ago around the time of Fantasy vs Jaedong semis). Fantasy led his team to victory in the PL finals. The way Fantasy is playing NOW (not two months ago where Fantasy was losing to Killer an all) but now is the way Flash was playing 6 months ago. Fantasy is able to reach Ro16's but just can't get past them like Flash a few months ago. | ||
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