EPT[MSL] Ro16 Day 3
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
do not advance, hydra. | ||
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Ideas
United States8098 Posts
 Trap | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On April 22 2010 08:19 hyst.eric.al wrote: Predictiing .. epic 2-1 (BO adv) comeback!please, for the love of god: do not advance, hydra. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Inkblood
United States463 Posts
Which I also agree with, I'd be surprised if Flash, and Jaedong don't advance. I think Sea will win his match. (Not saying Free's not good, I just think Sea is more likely to win, I've been wrong before, we'll see.) I'm not sure about Shuttle vs. Hiya. I'd expect Hiya to win, but Shuttle winning wouldn't be a surprise to me. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Meaning everyone who won the first game will win the series. | ||
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
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dani_caliKorea
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Flash and Jaedong will advance. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Pacific timer here. GO FLASH ![[image loading]](http://rlv.zcache.com/i_survived_the_power_outage_of_2010_tshirt-p235153559757391116qjtf_210.jpg) | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
Shuttle and free got this. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
Sea>Free Shuttle<Hiya Hydra<Jaedong | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Shuttle vs Hiya i dunno about but Hiya is good at TvP so we'll see. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 22 2010 08:03 Djabanete wrote: Flash and Jaedong must advance for this MSL not to be a joke. considering they had both flash and jaedong in the finals last time and it was a joke, I'm not so sure... | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
Sorry Hwasin, but Flash TvT and I want Flash to stock up on starleagues before the next bonjwa arrives Sea < Free I'd like to see Free not look depressed all the time. Shuttle < Hiya Hiya TvP and I hope to see Hiya vs Jaedong in a future round Hydra < Jaedong I'm eager for an upset, but even a slumping monster is able to rampage through "average" players for a few seasons. | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
http://tv.zeroboy.net/mystlord Flash, Sea, Shuttle, JD for me. | ||
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Sea.JustGod
400 Posts
 Hwasin < Flash on Match PointPredictions: Hwasin < The Best KT Terran on Odd-Eye 2Results: Sea < free on Odd-Eye 2Predictions: Sea > free on Match PointSea > free on Fighting SpiritResults: Shuttle < HiyA on Match Point Predictions: Shuttle > HiyA on TriathlonShuttle < HiyA on Odd-Eye 2Results:  Hydra < Jaedong on Match PointPredictions: Hydra < Jaedong on Fighting Spirit | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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ItsBigfoot
United States432 Posts
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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Frenzied_Tank
Germany100 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:08 Frenzied_Tank wrote: are these matches best of 3? game1 played. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
 YOON YONG TAE FIGHTING! but I still love my bosung too =/ win/win situation! | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
At least I hope so | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 12:36 fusionsdf wrote: considering they had both flash and jaedong in the finals last time and it was a joke, I'm not so sure... Zing! | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:24 Zona wrote: I wonder if we'll see some reversals from 0-1 to 2-1? Not easy to do. Anyways, hoping for some good games. Flash 2-0 Hwasin Sea 2-1 free Shuttle 2-1 Hiya dong 2-0 Hydra. Here's hoping. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:24 Zona wrote: I wonder if we'll see some reversals from 0-1 to 2-1? Not easy to do. Anyways, hoping for some good games. Zing! We might see sea (lol) do a reversal but other than that not likely Where were you in mafia btw zona? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:26 moopie wrote: Here's hoping indeed. I do have high hopes for Shuttle as well, but I don't think he's currently got the experience or inner strength to come back against someone good at TvP like Hiya.Shuttle 2-1 Hiya Here's hoping. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
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hussambani
Denmark31 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash in red at 11. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
commentators were like, "Flash finished his drink. He is going to win this game" | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:39 JSH wrote: lol commentators were like, "Flash finished his drink. He is going to win this game" lol^ | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Hwasin opting for the more economical but not as valuable for scouting/pressure rax in main. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hwasin gets his gas early white guy in audience | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
Flash expos. Hwasin going for fac. | ||
GTR
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hwasin starts his factory, zero scvs on gas | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Hwasin gets a fact and takes all 3 out of gas, and also ALMOST scouts the proxy rax with an SCV! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
yeah boy | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:40 GTR wrote: guy literally look liked idra's gangster cousin ' You're right, actually Hwasins expands himself, Flash starts his factory and gets a bunker at his nat | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Flash's expansion is up way earlier, but his factory is significantly delayed so he has to build a bunker in his nat. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
Hwasin expos as well. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hwasin also starts his 2nd factory | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Girl in audience mesmerized...no looking away! | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Looks like Hwasin is also going 3fact, but he's much behind econ-wise. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
he's massed 3 vultures Flash researching something in his shop | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hwasin moving out with 6 vultures Flash also has 6, now 7 in his base he adds his 4th and 5th factories, while Hwasin adds a starport | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Hwasin going for a starport | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash adding his 6th factory neither player has attacked yet | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
6fact vult timing push?! | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
Hwasin puts up starport edit: +1 Fact for Flash | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
both players just massing vultures so far | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
I hate vulture vs vulture TvT big vulture vs vulture fight | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Vultures engage, Hwasin has one tank that soaks a ton of hits, but Flash has more vultures and forces Hwasin to move back. Reinforcements streaming in now | ||
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moopie
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
No Armory, no Academy, RUH ROH | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
flash is now mining up the entire area surrounding hwasin. hwasin flying out with 3 wraiths towards flash's bases. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash's vultures laying mines and attacking Hwasin's nat - Hwasin's lost both his tanks so far he's massed 2 wraiths and building more Flash drops tons of mines outside Hwasin's nat, but he's now adding another 2 machine shops 3 wraiths of Hwasin's move out, seen by Flash's vultures Flash adds an armory | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Vultures scout the wraiths, but Flash is only now adding on an armory and academy. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash also building another Armory in his main | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash has 3 tanks and still no anti-air :< | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
goliaths come right in time. wraiths back off. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Both players get siege and siege up. Flash taking his 3rd already, Hwasin shows no signs of expanding anytime soon. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Both players mixing tanks into their armies now Flash expanding to 11 | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
armory now going up for hwasin. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
both players readying up for a long game | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Flash now moving forward a little bit to get better map position. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Was that scv there to start a hidden expo? Both players setting up tank lines in the upper middle map Hwasin with tons more tanks locally crushing Flash's tank line | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
hwasin moves in and decimates flash's tanks. flash's vults try to reinforce but dont make it in time. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Flash starting his 4th now. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash expanding to inner 9 | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
but he probably doesn't know Flash has taken inner 9 Flash getting vessel tech | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
flash getting a science facility. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
But flash attacking! | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Plaaguu
United States406 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
mines take out 2 tanks, vults finish off the last one. scv is killed though the base is saved by vults. flash also moving vults to the 6 oclock to attack hwasin's 3rd though it doesn't achieve much. flash starting a 4th in the bottom left corner. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Flash moving in to try to break the center, looks like he has enough! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash confront's Hwasin's tank line below 12.5 he breaks it, taking some losses | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash expanding to 7.5 with the double gas, and is getting both gasses | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
So far map is split pretty much evenly diagonally | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
hwasin trying to build a 4th at 6 oclock. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash has a bunch of turrets at many of his expos 3 of Flash's dropships tail Hwasin's 5 dropships as they head towards Flash's natural but Hwasin's dropships pull back and take needless turret hits | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
 poor guy | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Hwasin might still break it anyways, but he took heavy losses doing so (so did flash). | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
hwasin starting another CC at 3 oclock (with the intention to retake 1 oclock and float it there). his dropships fly there. drop on flash's forces doesnt work as flash brings his own dropships with forces. hwasin walks more troops from 3 and retakes the area. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash reinforces but Hwasin also reinforces and regains control of the area Flash has more sieged tanks just left though Flash expanding to 12.5 | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash on 9 factories, 5? shops | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hwasin with quick response - he'll clear the drop with some damage | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash's dropped forces kill the CC at 3 and deal a little damage to Hwasin's base at 4 Now flash drops Hwasin's 1.5! Hwasin losing scvs by the dozen | ||
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Graham
Canada1259 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Hwasin pulls all his SCVs, but Flash intelligently leaves his tanks in tank mode to deal with the melee threat. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
hwasin sends scvs to attack and brings some forces from 3, however flash reinforces as well and the expo goes down again. hwasin now down 2 bases. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hwasin's territory shrinking by the second Flash also expands to 1.5 | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hwasin concedes. He's no match for the ultimate weapon | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
feel so sorry for wasni t_T | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9021 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
Flash showing dominance as soon as he had the eco advantage from the opening and throughout the entire match | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
And Hwasin never mustered a decent attack on any of Flash's bases | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
edit : we should remove Flash from liquibet since it's autowin. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Flash was just ahead in econ from the very start with his 1rax CC late factory opener, to his SIGNIFICANTLY faster 3rd and 4th bases, and faster 5th. By the time the map was evenly split and they both had 5 bases, Flash was in a position to keep Hwasin's expansions constantly harassed and damaged, so Hwasin was taking huge hits to his econ repeatedly while Flash's macro just kept going without interruption. Hwasin won a few key tank battles in the early mid-game to keep him in it, and it was generally well played by him to fight decently with a macro disadvantage against Flash (of all people), but wasn't enough. | ||
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super_toast
United States269 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Flash plugging pocari sweat in response to a question | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
commentators asking about him drinking Pocari Sweat before every game, and how he seems to do well when he does and maybe it can be a "jinx" Flash was like I really like that drink and drink it during practice and games | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:32 Scaramanga wrote: Ah. Well I told myself to spend a day away from the game thread to see how much progress I could make with the extra free time for my mafia-related tools, and I was happy with how much I got done. When weighing the importance and impact that the tools could have on the TL mafia scene compared to my participation in a particular game as a player, the choice was clear, so tool development > playing in that game. I'll start playing again once I have a working version done.Where were you in mafia btw zona? | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:07 moopie wrote: Sea rocking in anticipation? Yeah, that's part of his charm. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
can't complain at his sc though basically shoein both finals just by playing regular | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Wth was he thinking? o.O | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On April 22 2010 18:51 SkelA wrote: wow flash got owned hard this game :O Yet he wins! | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:10 SuperArc wrote: So Hwasin tried nothing fancy against Flash? Wth was he thinking? o.O Fancy, standard... it's all the same to deflect  | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Wipes his hand on the red hankie as he usually does. | ||
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integral
United States3156 Posts
Which brings me to another point: Flash has set ridiculously high standards, if he doesn't play perfectly every game people start wondering what is wrong. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:12 SkelA wrote: lol he lost most of his tanks when hwasin flanked him and he still won Yeah, because he was a full base ahead of Hwasin for almost the entire game. | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
plus his harass was much better (denying 4th/5th etc.) [or were they 3rd/4th?] | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Let's see some interesting TvP! | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:12 SkelA wrote: lol he lost most of his tanks when hwasin flanked him and he still won ye, all his vultures was out of position, he was completely owned that battle, yet somehow he wins easily in the lategame. He just won't lose | ||
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Zona
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:14 StylishVODs wrote: ye, all his vultures was out of position, he was completely owned that battle, yet somehow he wins easily in the lategame. He just won't lose Well, that's why you focus on the factors of the game that make a bigger difference in whether you win or lose. Who cares if you come out of a battle losing more units than the other guy when you can pump from 2 more factories? | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
I mean wtf, he was playing TvT as if it was ZvT... Flash being the Zerg...... | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
free @ 1Sea @ 7 | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Goddamnit all to hell, I hate my computer so much! Fucking virus scan starts in the middle of the game and makes my computer all retarded so the stream dies and jioDW AJIODJIOÖ | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
dun dun dun! | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:15 Holgerius wrote: rRFKOEWAPFWOPKD PKOPKOAWPKO Goddamnit all to hell, I hate my computer so much! Fucking virus scan starts in the middle of the game and makes my computer all retarded so the stream dies and jioDW AJIODJIOÖ Don't worry, the rest was all very standard. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:15 Zona wrote: Well, that's why you focus on the factors of the game that make a bigger difference in whether you win or lose. Who cares if you come out of a battle losing more units than the other guy when you can pump from 2 more factories? This is why TvT is way easier to dominate than all the other matchups. You are allowed to make mistakes since tanks will save you from elimination. | ||
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:15 Zona wrote: Well, that's why you focus on the factors of the game that make a bigger difference in whether you win or lose. Who cares if you come out of a battle losing more units than the other guy when you can pump from 2 more factories? He lost enough tanks for hwasin to make a move, he didn't. If the players was switched I'm sure flash would have ended it right there. That was an important factor. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Free starts his first gateway the assimilator on sea's gas finishes | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
he still has no gas in his own main | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
1 marine chases the probe away and then joins in on the assimilator. expo for free. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Free just goes 1gate expo before gas in response. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Free's gas is up and running too, he starts his core | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
core for free. bunker for sea + landed rax to make a choke in front of expo. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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moopie
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Zona
40426 Posts
2nd factory, first machine shop for sea an academy as well - taking no risks | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Sea's SCV checks out 5 - nothing there Sea adds his 2nd machine shop Free finally getting goon range | ||
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moopie
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Zona
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Zona
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moopie
12605 Posts
obs out. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
neither players have taken their thirds yet 4th factory for sea | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Free going for 2base arbiter. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
sea sieging under free's nat. arb tribuneral done. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
His nat continues to take shots Sea getting his 3rd at 9, free getting his 3rd at 3 | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
sea getting sandwiched, lots of zealots and goons. loses his forces. | ||
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Zona
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Zona
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Zona
40426 Posts
while goons clear a mine at 5 | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Sea has some nice vulture play and kills a handful of goons with mines. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
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free taking his 4th at 5 | ||
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moopie
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free getting his 4th now. sea setting up mines and turrets at the main, now that the arb is out. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
control tower for sea's starport - dropship? sea's vultures tangle with free's goons - but can't deal damage with mines | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Sea's looked like he wants to take a 4th, but he has had the SCV idle there for a while now. Ouch mines kill five goons in the center of the map! | ||
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Zona
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Sea setting up a defense line at the high ground outside 11 | ||
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sea still on 3 base. 1 dropship flying into free's main, drops 4 vults who mines the place and then go attack the probes. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
free builds a cannon too late at his main mineral line - losing quite a few probes to vultures | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Multiple probes dying to the vults. Arbiter meanwhile heading across the map for a recall in the main. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Free snipes one, but Sea manages to defend the other. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
I find it sad that BackHo is the only protoss understanding what gas steal does... | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:16 SuperArc wrote: This is why TvT is way easier to dominate than all the other matchups. You are allowed to make mistakes since tanks will save you from elimination. I wouldn't say it's easy to dominate. I think there's 1 Terran in the Top 10 vT ELO peaks (haven't checked). | ||
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Free recalls 11 - scvs run, sea will lose the CC! | ||
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free doing another recall on sea's 4th, sea running his scvs away, floats CC, though it gets sniped by goons. | ||
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Zona
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but Sea moves his army towards 11 instead free grouping units for another recall? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
only 2 cannons there for defense sea loses a vessel to the cannons needlessly | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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Taking out that armory again. Man that's got to be annoying. | ||
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moopie
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another recall on sea's main takes out some scvs. armory gets sniped again, even though sea tries to repair it. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
the other armory in red hp - it needs to be repaired! | ||
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moopie
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armory down. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
No more upgrades for Sea anytime soon. | ||
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Zona
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and sea hasn't re-taken 11 yet - although he is sieging below the ramp there one arbiter emp'd | ||
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he sets up there! | ||
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free moving his army towards sea's 3rd instead! | ||
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frees forces are moving in toward's sea's 3rd. both are moving in on the other's base. stasis going off in sea's 3rd on some tanks. | ||
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free loses his natural and sea moving into free's main sea will lose his 3rd free adding gateways outside of his main! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
sea's inside free's main! free will lose all of his stuff! | ||
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moopie
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this is looking bad for free. his entire main is being demolished. | ||
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Zona
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free losing tons of gateways and all his tech is just slightly north | ||
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finally he's moving to clear out the attack sea's sieging free's base at 6 | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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Sea now sieging 6:00 down, while an arbiter in the top left looks like it's getting ready for a recall. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
free expanding to 12 | ||
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moopie
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free stasis's his own arb. free's forces die. sea's forces about to thaw from the stasis. sea also attacking the expo at 6 oclock, and he is about to reclaim his 4th base. | ||
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Zona
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free taking his nat again sea moves his forces into 11 to secure the place - finally he'll claim the base for his own? one arbiter there shooting air to ground sea not mining anywhere else | ||
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moopie
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moopie
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Zona
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free took a lot of damage from mines, can't pick off the CC | ||
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Zona
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free's got a lot of arbiters but a very small ground army | ||
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free's mining from 4 bases but with very few probes, and 3 of his bases are low on minerals | ||
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both of free's stargates idle? | ||
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free you can't afford to sacrifice forces to mines at this point in the game! plus where are the templar or archons? | ||
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moopie
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sea with some vult harass | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
free tries to minedrag into the vultures but sea pulls back in time sea moving to siege 12! | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Now vultures go into 3 and kill a bunch of zealots and probes | ||
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vultures raid 3 and kill the probes mining the one remaining mineral patch the vultures shoot at the gateways 2 arbiters land 2 stasises to freeze 3 tanks at 11, but no recall | ||
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moopie
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sea meanwhile attack's free's min only and takes out some probes and a few zealots. free stasises at 11, though doesnt recall with the 2nd arb... loses the arbs to goliaths. (that was odd). | ||
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United States5524 Posts
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Switzerland5133 Posts
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Zona
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if he loses this game he could very well lose the next too | ||
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Canada193 Posts
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arbiter lands a freeze but a good emp on free's forces still, free's army prevails and they move towards sea's nat! | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
dragon pride | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
nothing new unfortunately | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
free's goons moving towards sea's main - he's loses lots of forces navigating the small chokes with tanks behind his large army has become small I think free threw that part away | ||
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Singapore7730 Posts
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he loses his base at 12 - he's got no mining | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
free gg | ||
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I'm truly disappointed by his decisionmaking | ||
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France5778 Posts
Free's decision making was wtflaky-foof. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
if only 12 oclock survived, free might have had a better chance at winning On April 22 2010 19:48 Lucumo wrote: Not a good game by both players. Sea had the chance to end it earlier, after he besieged the main -.- at that moment, sea had zero mining bases... so i dunno what you're talking about | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
i thoguht free was gonna win after he kept destroying sea's little pushes and had a lot of goons zeals near teh end.. where'd they all go ol | ||
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United States5524 Posts
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Sweden16951 Posts
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below66
United States1761 Posts
lol @ wtflaky-foof why did free attack main when he could of tooken top left? or did he not have enough units? | ||
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Singapore7730 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
free @ bottom leftSea @ bottom right | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:49 SkelA wrote: how did free mess up that game lol stupidity Sea the purple terran at 5 Free the brown toss at 7 | ||
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Canada18410 Posts
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United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
gateway for free another 2 fangirls that don't hide their faces | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
both players getting their gasses | ||
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United States5524 Posts
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On April 22 2010 19:49 prototype. wrote: at that moment, sea had zero mining bases... so i dunno what you're talking about But he had an army and could have finished free off. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
the wrong way, though free starts scouting later but goes correctly and will find sea first core for free, first factory for sea, 1 scv on gas | ||
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United States5524 Posts
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On April 22 2010 19:52 Lucumo wrote: But he had an army and could have finished free off. No, free's reinforcements, especially with arbiter support finished off sea's army machine shop first for sea he moves out with 4 rines to intercept any scouting probes and pushes one back a goon chases sea's scouting scv | ||
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sea takes his nat, mines done and a few are laid at the choke | ||
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free also getting an expo now. | ||
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United States5524 Posts
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Sea adding an ebay free masses a small army to probe sea's nat - the zealot absorbs all 4 mines as 4 goons battle sea's forces! | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Another zealot comes and minesweeps, now the goons are deep into Sea's nat! | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
free attacking sea's half-built CC! 5 goons pick off a tank scvs pulled! | ||
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Austria7781 Posts
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United States5524 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Then siege mode finishes and he kills all the goons, but free won't care--he's on a solid 2 base economy. | ||
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sea in bad shape! siege still isn't done! sea loses his cc and his head rocks backwards siege finishes and free's goons are cleared but sea's econ way behind | ||
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free moving a probe to 8.5 | ||
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viewer
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he sieges up on the other side of the bridge near free's nat | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
=( | ||
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On April 22 2010 19:53 Zona wrote: No, free's reinforcements, especially with arbiter support finished off sea's armyv free was on 1 1/3 base and had like 4 gates. See had vultures, 3-0 tanks and 1 or 2 vessels. He could definitely have killed him. Hm, seems like he lost -.- | ||
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United States3021 Posts
=) | ||
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Singapore7730 Posts
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Turkey4968 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Once again he fails. | ||
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United States1712 Posts
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France5778 Posts
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Australia14949 Posts
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United States811 Posts
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On April 22 2010 19:58 Lucumo wrote: free was on 1 1/3 base and had like 4 gates. See had vultures, 3-0 tanks and 1 or 2 vessels. He could defintely have killed him. We agree to disagree, then. more than half of Sea's forces in free's main ended up frozen (and they weren't particularly clumped), and free was still on 3 mineral bases, though 2 were almost out, while sea wasn't mining at all. | ||
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United States11637 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On April 22 2010 19:59 FireGuyX wrote: don't worry Sea, you will one day win a starleague, there is always Starcraft II. Fixed | ||
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Bulgaria527 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
And that series kills two birds with one stone -- the baller free advances, while Sea can resume his proleague duties for the sake of my FPL. | ||
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Thailand7699 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
I am pretty sure BackHo would abuse 2gate goon a lot to get many free wins... Terrans are lucky he's injured. | ||
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Vietnam9021 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:00 Zona wrote: We agree to disagree, then. more than half of Sea's forces in free's main ended up frozen (and they weren't particularly clumped), and free was still on 3 mineral bases, though 2 were almost out, while sea wasn't mining at all. Lucumo is the same guy who said that Calm's defense in his epic ZvZ vs Effort was bad. Ignore | ||
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On April 22 2010 20:00 Zona wrote: more than half of Sea's forces in free's main ended up frozen (and they weren't particularly clumped), and free was still on 3 mineral bases, though 2 were almost out, while sea wasn't mining at all. I'm not talking about the forces in frees main. They were dead anyway. Right after he lost them the observer showed Seas forces at his third base. Instead of attacking with them he decided to defend his 3rd and 4th. free had his 4th and 1/3 of his 3rd. His main and nat were destroyed and there were no probes at 12. And again, he had only 3-4 gates. He later added 3 at his 3rd and rebuild nat nexus and build probes. That was the perfect time window to finish him off. On April 22 2010 20:04 snowdrift86 wrote: Lucumo is the same guy who said that Calm's defense in his epic ZvZ vs Effort was bad. Ignore He micro'ed his lings into a surround and let lings slip by into his main several times. That's not a good defense and definitely not a "perfect play". | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:02 SuperArc wrote: I am pretty sure BackHo would abuse 2gate goon a lot to get many free wins... Terrans are lucky he's injured. True. But then, BackHo gets many free wins (and equally many free losses) with any strategy. | ||
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Zona
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On April 22 2010 20:02 SuperArc wrote: 2 gate goon is so strong nowadays since all terrans go fast expo. I am pretty sure BackHo would abuse 2gate goon a lot to get many free wins... Terrans are lucky he's injured. I actually miss the guy by now. And Oz fans probably feel the same way now too. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
FUCKING TEASE | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:05 below66 wrote: I hate how the stream always freezes in the most important parts of the game, fucking tease man... Are you using Mystlord's stream? I had the same problem, until i swtiched to boesthius's stream and works fine without any freezing. | ||
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Singapore66161 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
awesome! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
썩소POWERRRRRR | ||
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Australia589 Posts
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United States1761 Posts
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Latvia2350 Posts
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United States3021 Posts
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40426 Posts
T_T | ||
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Germany1596 Posts
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42381 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:08 below66 wrote: yea im using myst cause awhile back i noticed boe has better quality image in his stream and i think it made my stream lag more, is this still the case? or were both streams always the same quality video? Myst's stream might have abit better quality actually. But i rather watch nonfreezing stream with a 'poor' quality, than stream which is abit better but freezes all the time. | ||
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Sweden1017 Posts
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United States11637 Posts
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40426 Posts
he looks half asleep hiya looks a bit tense | ||
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40426 Posts
hiya the terran at 12 | ||
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United States1761 Posts
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40426 Posts
another scv sent out! | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:13 below66 wrote: so whos leading this series? Hiya 1-0 BBS!!!!!! | ||
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Poland12466 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
12 nex vs bbs | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
and shuttle has no gateway - going to go nexus first! | ||
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40426 Posts
bbs vs 12nex lol | ||
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Hungary2431 Posts
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Poland12466 Posts
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United States811 Posts
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Canada18410 Posts
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
no free 12 nex for Shuttle! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
a bunker goes up in shuttle's main! probes exploding en masse! | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
shuttle with 1 probe left, lol. gg. | ||
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40426 Posts
one canno placed but it's no match for bunker with 4 rines it's over shuttle concedes raped | ||
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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United States3021 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
greedy protoss got served | ||
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Singapore66161 Posts
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Germany4727 Posts
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Canada1316 Posts
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40426 Posts
damn that was short and fast. | ||
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Edit: grammar | ||
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:17 konadora wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Shuttle  And I only watched for this series Official Hiya anti-fan now. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
BackHo who was known to do many gate timing pushes to punish greedy terrans. And now Hiya, finally protoss get owned from abusing 12nex EVERY game. | ||
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United States1761 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:18 diehilde wrote: lol so youre up against one of the worst tvp players ever down 0-1 in the series, what are you gonna do? 12 nex!!! Incredibly retarded by shuttle, he deserved what he got. wtf? | ||
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khellian
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Still, it made me all warm and fuzzy inside to see a 12 Nex get crushed by BBS. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:18 diehilde wrote: lol so youre up against one of the worst tvp players ever down 0-1 in the series, what are you gonna do? 12 nex!!! Incredibly retarded by shuttle, he deserved what he got. how is hiya one of the worst tvp players ever?/ he rapes dragons all the time | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:18 diehilde wrote: lol so youre up against one of the worst tvp players ever down 0-1 in the series, what are you gonna do? 12 nex!!! Incredibly retarded by shuttle, he deserved what he got. ?? Worst tvp players? lolwtf | ||
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12605 Posts
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
yummmmy | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:18 diehilde wrote: lol so youre up against one of the worst tvp players ever down 0-1 in the series, what are you gonna do? 12 nex!!! Incredibly retarded by shuttle, he deserved what he got. lolwutttttt watch his games -_- HiyA is a solid player | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
haha shoulda scouted like a mofo when doing greedy shit | ||
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GeLaar
2421 Posts
Anyway, I don't like Hiya at all, but that was fucking funny. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:17 snowdrift86 wrote: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Shuttle And I only watched for this series Official Hiya anti-fan now. Why are you an Hiya anti-fan? Shuttle tried to cheese too. Hiya just countered with a better cheese. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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40426 Posts
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
you should change the worst to ' one of the best' and your statement will be correct | ||
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Norway2750 Posts
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Zona
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On April 22 2010 20:21 ThePhan2m wrote: Shuttle is like Backho, sometimes he has amazing mechanics, and sometimes he is so horrible that you ever wonder how he made it this far Oo (maybe he got payed to lose?) I just think he's inexperienced, he hasn't learned to handle the range of situations that a player might end up facing. | ||
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:20 SuperArc wrote: Why are you an Hiya anti-fan? Shuttle tried to cheese too. Hiya just countered with a better cheese. That was a blind counter, not a bunker rush in response to a scouted 12 nex. Anyway, Hiya ain't achieving anything in this MSL. And why are you an Effort anti all of a sudden? No more marching orders from CJ? It's not like he's a washed up old fogey -- he can still get out of his slump. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:20 GeLaar wrote: I honestly don't get what the big Shuttle hype on TL.net is about... That was so stupid it makes me wonder how the guy ever made it this far. Speaking as someone who's been supporting Shuttle for a year, I must say that it's just that he's really good. I'd daresay as good as, or even better than Kal. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:23 snowdrift86 wrote: That was a blind counter, not a bunker rush in response to a scouted 12 nex. Anyway, Hiya's ain't achieving anything in this MSL. And why are you an Effort anti all of a sudden? No more marching orders from CJ? It was a good prediction. Most tosses have been fast expanding on Triathlon. | ||
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:23 below66 wrote: i assume jd is up 1-0 right? sorry but im out of the loop Yep | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:22 Jiffymix wrote: I wonder if Shuttle could have kept his 12 nex, base transferred, and gone reaver or something... he would be stuck in his base but might still have been safe for a while. LOL reavers LOL | ||
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moopie
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On April 22 2010 20:23 below66 wrote: i assume jd is up 1-0 right? sorry but im out of the loop yes | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:23 snowdrift86 wrote: That was a blind counter, not a bunker rush in response to a scouted 12 nex. Anyway, Hiya ain't achieving anything in this MSL. And why are you an Effort anti all of a sudden? No more marching orders from CJ? Yeah, had Shuttle gone any other build he would have gotten pretty much a free win. And I've been an anti-Effort fan since he didn't stop disappointing me and his team. Especially against Hogil. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:23 below66 wrote: i assume jd is up 1-0 right? sorry but im out of the loop right sir. | ||
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Jiffymix
United States43 Posts
Haha true forgot he sucks with reavers Edit: Still, if someone good with reavers would've done it i think it could work | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:20 GeLaar wrote: I honestly don't get what the big Shuttle hype on TL.net is about... That was so stupid it makes me wonder how the guy ever made it this far. Right, so just because he gets blind countered by a cheese he's an overrated noob? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
it won't help JD also looking serious. It WILL help in his case. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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below66
United States1761 Posts
it's not that, im just laughing cause its impossible for him to get reavers in that situation when he first has to hold back the early rines. | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:26 Holgerius wrote: Right, so just because he gets blind countered by a cheese he's an overrated noob? Indeed. Let's not jump to conclusions based on a single build order loss... | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:27 eleganten wrote: Looks like JD lost some weight... cmon fight today JD we wanna see a good JvZ. If we see JvZ it won't be a good game, but a rape. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:16 Jackal03 wrote: bbs, the best way to stop the 12 nexus cheese He deserves it for 12 Nex | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
JD purple at 7. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
zzzzzzzzzz | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hydra's is not it's over already | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:28 moopie wrote: zvz zzzzzzzzzz This joke always cracklings me up. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:26 Holgerius wrote: Right, so just because he gets blind countered by a cheese he's an overrated noob? He did lose to Hiya straight up in the first game too. | ||
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Jiffymix
United States43 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:27 below66 wrote: it's not that, im just laughing cause its impossible for him to get reavers in that situation when he first has to hold back the early rines. I meant if he didn't cancel the 12 nex and base transferred. The marines couldn't get through for a while cuz of the eggs. | ||
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Zona
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Zona
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Hydra adds a hatchery in his main | ||
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roryn
Poland6 Posts
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Zona
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a fangirl on camera talking to her friend she doesn't look away both players getting their lairs | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
one ling from hydra dies to it | ||
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:32 rainei wrote: 12 hatch vs in base 12 hatch??? why would someone build the 12 hatch in base,... to not lose against early pool builds | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
JD accumulating lings in response | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
12 hatch in base, the delay of his attack Hydra moves in with his lings...not enough | ||
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viewer
Canada662 Posts
Speaking as someone who's been supporting Shuttle for a year, I must say that it's just that he's really good. I'd daresay as good as, or even better than Kal. This got passed over just gonna have to agree and point out this is absolutely true. | ||
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Jackal03
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Zona
40426 Posts
spires finish, eggs form | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
4 mutas from hydra move out 4 mutas of JD attack one of hydra's OLs Hydra gets a free kill on one of JD"s mutas as they were isolated Hydra with more scourge, with the muta advantage in JD"s nat! | ||
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moopie
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Zona
40426 Posts
his micro is lacking hydra runs 4 lings into jd's main! | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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Sweden380 Posts
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Macedonia13032 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
but Hydra with the muta advantage! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
2 mutas and 4 lings in JD"s main! | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
dong has no mutas! hydra takes out all the drones. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
so many dead drones JD"s lost | ||
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United States4109 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:36 moopie wrote: holy fuck dong, bo advantage into 2 gas vs 1 gas mutas and you lose???? AND he defended hydra's first ling attack perfeclty fine.. wtf omgg all cuz he sent out his first few mutas to hunt ovie in the centre then didnt treturnn back to main in time ..something ilke that | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
jaedong GGs. LOL (and here i thought this was over when hydra lost all his lings). | ||
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GTR
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
he has ONE drone oh - but his lings killed all but one of Hydra's drones? Hydra kills JD"s last drone and JD concedes | ||
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United States406 Posts
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SubtleArt
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Faranth
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Brazil7469 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
JD didn't manage his mutas well at all | ||
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
JD got greedy trying to kill that overlord and his mutas were caught out of position.... | ||
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TurbulentTurtle
Canada230 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
This reminded me of savior muta micro... | ||
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viewer
Canada662 Posts
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:37 SubtleArt wrote: Jaedong's eyes twitching slightly...he looks so tired dont he always when he lose? | ||
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moopie
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SubtleArt
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On April 22 2010 20:38 Zona wrote: Hydra was calm and collected, I'm impressed JD didn't manage his mutas well at all Jaedong just made a shitty decision. You have a hatchery at ur expo, while your opponent has an in base hatchery. Both get mutas at the same time. What do you do if you're jadong? Just sit in your base and get more mutas obviously. What does jaedong do? Inexplicably moves his 4 mutas to the middle of the map for an overlord kill. This allows Hydra to isolated that 1 muta and kill a drone in jaedongs base. From there jaedong just had bad micro | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
he looks a bit...out of it? Upset time? | ||
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Hustla
Russian Federation27 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hydra the white zerg at 11 Odd-eye 2! | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:38 rainei wrote: JD got greedy trying to kill that overlord and his muta Usage of the scourge wasn't that good either. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
He looks pissed when he loses. This was the kind of eye twitch when you're tired. I can relate from staying up until 2 to study for a test today X_X | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
if JD also gets knocked out, no reason for me to watch this MSL anymore. | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:37 Emon_ wrote: Dammit Kespa, Pull the plug!!! I'll have to give you a straight up LOL | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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below66
United States1761 Posts
LOL | ||
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Denmark1510 Posts
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Hungary2431 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
at almost the same time too | ||
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United States1761 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
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SkelA
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Zona
40426 Posts
lair delayed for hydra - speed first? | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:44 SkelA wrote: mirrior builds so far looks like JD should win this unless he forgot how to play zvz Judging from last game he did | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
JD starts his spire | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
he gets his nat gas earlier though hydra pulls his lings back after JD masses a ton of lings of his own | ||
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
more lings stream from hydra's main they go to jd's nat and pull back, drawing jd's lings - but 2 more sneak into JD"s main! | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
hydra sneaks 2 lings into jd's base. uncertain if they got something | ||
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SubtleArt
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hydra's mutas not much later than JD's JD's face is damp | ||
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Hungary2431 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
fuck i have dinnerNOoooooOoOooo.. ok hoping to come back to check results and seeing jaedong advance :X gOGO JD >_< | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
his split mutas put him at a disadvantage game 2... | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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moopie
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Zona
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moopie
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Zona
40426 Posts
2 lings in hydra's main - one drone kill did hydra lose drones at his nat? | ||
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viewer
Canada662 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hydra's muta micro vs scourge way better | ||
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Ryo
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On April 22 2010 20:43 snowdrift86 wrote: I worry about Jaedong. He's at that point in his progaming career where his skill level has peaked and the only way to achieve any marginal improvement is through excessive practice. His decision-making has also been crap lately -- he seems to be inexorably losing his edge. And contrary to other players who reached the top and tasted success, he isn't content with what he has and still wants to win. I fear he'll exhaust himself and just die in a flameout. Decision-making declines under excessive stress and fatigue. I think he needs to stop over-working himself. He's over practicing, diminishing returns. When he appeared in Hyungjun's show he looked so weak physically, like he was going to collapse. =( | ||
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SubtleArt
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Zona
40426 Posts
Hydra seems to have 2 | ||
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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moopie
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moopie
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Zona
40426 Posts
both players with better micro vs scourge this time just muta vs muta now near JD"s nat | ||
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
hmmm | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
Things settling down but jaedong's flock of dongalisks seems bigger | ||
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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moopie
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Zona
40426 Posts
jd moving 2 lings towards hydra's base, they die to mutas | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:49 Ryo wrote: Decision-making declines under excessive stress and fatigue. I think he needs to stop over-working himself. He's over practicing, diminishing returns. When he appeared in Hyungjun's show he looked so weak physically, like he was going to collapse. =( Yeah, ever since he became an university student, he looks so tired and unhappy. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
he loses a muta to 2 scourge | ||
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Faranth
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Hungary2431 Posts
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GTR
51449 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
ahhh stream failure! | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:52 Lucumo wrote: Yeah, ever since he became an university student, he looks so tired and unhappy. online uni wat's not to love | ||
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Hustla
Russian Federation27 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
appears that way. jd wins. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
My heart stopped for a second, god Jaedong... | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
another big air battle haven't seen such an intense zvz like this JD with muta superiority hydra's lost | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
jaedong wins | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
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Hungary2431 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
hydra concedes JD pulls through! | ||
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
Thank god JD won. | ||
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viewer
Canada662 Posts
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Arayle
Australia34 Posts
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Alak
Sweden380 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
Certainly not zvzzzzz | ||
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SubtleArt
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
TOO CLOSE AND JAEDONG WINS FINALLY | ||
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Thailand7699 Posts
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Canada193 Posts
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Malaysia2585 Posts
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Singapore66161 Posts
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Hungary2431 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
I still think loox is an inferior arena. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
GOOD JOB HYDRA I'M PROUD OF YOU DONT WORRY THAT YOU LOST | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:54 viewer wrote: What a thrilling fuckin game. We'll see how Jaedong does from here but wow... I think we all saw what happened there.. We just saw how even a zerg like Hydra is able to get JD-like micro. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
JD with a tiny smile before he answers questions | ||
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Netherlands2748 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
Where did they find that horra-awful (horrible and awful put together) song though? | ||
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Latvia2350 Posts
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moopie
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:55 Breach_hu wrote: the deciding moment was when hydra's 6 scourge popped and 3 of them instantly exploded to 1 scourge. yep, i was like "damn!" | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
atm nobody looks even close to Flash. Maybe ni 1 game but not in bo5. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:55 Jackal03 wrote: great game by hydra, i'm proud Indeed, he's progressed a lot and seems like he has plenty of room to grow | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Glad that JD made it. | ||
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
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TurbulentTurtle
Canada230 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:57 TurbulentTurtle wrote: I'll have to congratulate Jaedong the next time I see him. Oh, get his signature for me too when you meet him, will you? | ||
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United States6012 Posts
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
i thought with those he'll handle jd's mutas ease. iam happy, cuz we'll see better games with JD in the future (i hope ofcourse) but hydra played this very well. | ||
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United States11637 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:56 purpose wrote: JD need to step up like 2 levels if he wants to be able to give Flash a match. atm nobody looks even close to Flash. Maybe ni 1 game but not in bo5. I think you can Jaedong's not as dominant by the waning number of anti-fans lol. Going back a year ago every time he lost half the people would be like FUCK YEA GAYDONG LOST SCREW YOU cause he was just so good but now I think we all cheer for him | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Is JD slumping or did zergs finally reach JD's level? | ||
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:59 boesthius wrote: Man, my heart was pounding the entire time that last game. Me too,.. me too. Now I have to go to sleep with an elevated heart rate. gotta calm down, JD made it into the ro8. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
Flash (1)Jaedong (2)free (18)HiyA (19)Yet to come: BaBy (28) - MVP (68)Midas (52) - JangBi (17)fantasy (9) - Calm (3)great (46) - Movie (10) | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:01 SuperArc wrote: I have never seen a zerg play this good against JD with no BO advantage... Is JD slumping or did zergs finally reach JD's level? It's not like JD has never lost without a BO disadvantage before. Either way it's silly to call someone slumping after he just won a game | ||
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United States1761 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On April 22 2010 20:58 Zona wrote: Oh, get his signature for me too when you meet him, will you? ![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/photo/1271769390_1.jpg) Other players' congratulation messages to formos: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=photo_list&edit_num=2735&db=photo He went to class this week though. He needs a break: ![[image loading]](http://img.dailygame.co.kr/news/201004/attachments/20100420_8394cb7a9f588af9082bb8fe89ec70dd.jpg) | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:03 7mk wrote: It's not like JD has never lost without a BO disadvantage before. Yeah, but then JD lost because he pumped too many drones or went lair first while the other went speed. But Hydra's ling micro AND muta micro were on par with JD's today. | ||
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United States2332 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:05 hyst.eric.al wrote: hiya and jaedong finals anyone!?! If Jangbi>Midas and Movie>great: It's Hiya vs JD Ro8... | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:05 SuperArc wrote: Yeah, but then JD lost because he pumped too many drones or went lair first while the other went speed. But Hydra's ling micro AND muta micro were on par with JD's today. No he got simply outplayed before. Like the last game vs... Zero I think. Either way, like I edited in afterwards in that post you quoted, it's silly to call someone slumping after he just won a game. He made some little muta micro mistakes this game (more scourge hit than should have), no big deal. | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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below66
United States1761 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:10 below66 wrote: really when your at jd and flash's level, you don't have to practice those hectic prac hours anymore. Flash and JD are at their respective levels BECAUSE they practice for insane hours a day. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
But yea your right they are the top players cause they have put in the practice and probably still do, I just dont think they practice as much anymore. | ||
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stimpackuser
Estonia2 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:17 below66 wrote: Practiced, no way they practice as much as they once did when they were trying to refine there skills to where they are at today, no eff'ing way. But yea your right they are the top players cause they have put in the practice and probably still do, I just dont think they practice as much anymore. They still have to practice a lot more than other players if they want to stay better than everyone else. Your logic is very weird. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:17 below66 wrote: Practiced, no way they practice as much as they once did when they were trying to refine there skills to where they are at today, no eff'ing way. But yea your right they are the top players cause they have put in the practice and probably still do, I just dont think they practice as much anymore. I remember reading an interview with Flash where he complained about the holidays. Something about losing his "game sense" from his short time away (it was like a week). They practice all day every day, it's the reason they are good. However, they certainly don't play 20 hour marathons any more. Part of being good is managing your practice time and staying healthy. | ||
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United States1761 Posts
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Germany1494 Posts
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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:01 SubtleArt wrote: I think you can Jaedong's not as dominant by the waning number of anti-fans lol. Going back a year ago every time he lost half the people would be like FUCK YEA GAYDONG LOST SCREW YOU cause he was just so good but now I think we all cheer for him Reminds me of savior, falling stars get so much love. I love the pictures in the OP's results lol | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Glad Jaedong and Flash made it out, and good job to HiyA! | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On April 22 2010 21:55 Kong John wrote: Reminds me of savior, falling stars get so much love. I love the pictures in the OP's results lol Same with Bisu. I loved seeing him lose. Now I dont. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On April 22 2010 22:29 SubtleArt wrote: Same with Bisu. I loved seeing him lose. Now I dont. i don't mind seeing him lose it gives me something to be excited about when some young player beats bisu in other news sea is still cursed I went to sleep after sea 1-1 free... that was a good game | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/photo/1271932217_1.JPG) | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
Also: Shuttle T_T | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 22 2010 22:52 Holgerius wrote: He doesn't look happy. I don't know about not happy. More like bored. He clearly isn't pleased with the level of competition so far. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 22 2010 23:05 okum wrote: I don't know about not happy. More like bored. He clearly isn't pleased with the level of competition so far. More like "I have to get back to the practice house and prepare for tomorrow's OSL and then the PL game on Saturday"... This week will seriously harm Flash's health. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
Sea... | ||
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Jaester88
United States143 Posts
On April 22 2010 23:03 lone_hydra wrote: Flash will not win the MSL. Anyone who is responsible for knocking Hwasin out of starleagues never wins that starleague. At least to my memory. Curse of sniping the sniper? Also: Shuttle T_T I'm pretty sure it's the opposite, especially in MSL: whoever knocks out Hwasin is bound to win that starleague. | ||
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Crt
247 Posts
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
On April 22 2010 23:39 Jaester88 wrote: I'm pretty sure it's the opposite, especially in MSL: whoever knocks out Hwasin is bound to win that starleague. I don't think that was always the case though: 1) Kal knocked him out in NATE MSL, but didn't win. 2) Iris knocked him out in Avalon; Calm won that one 3) Flash knocked him out in GOMTV S4: JD won that one. 4) JD knocked him out of Arena: ForGG won that one. The only cases I can think of where it held true were GOMTV S2, Lost Saga and Clubday MSLs. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On April 22 2010 23:48 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: I don't think that was always the case though: 1) Kal knocked him out in NATE MSL, but didn't win. 2) Iris knocked him out in Avalon; Calm won that one 3) Flash knocked him out in GOMTV S4: JD won that one. 4) JD knocked him out of Arena: ForGG won that one. The only cases I can think of where it held true were GOMTV S2, Lost Saga and Clubday MSLs. so basically you say that there is inconclusive evidence... Anyway, glad that Flash keeps his wining streak. Seems like Jaedong~s gane are worth watching. And poor Shuttle. He actually plays decent starcraft just have poor PvT (not that it mattered today but still...). | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 22 2010 23:16 SuperArc wrote: More like "I have to get back to the practice house and prepare for tomorrow's OSL and then the PL game on Saturday"... This week will seriously harm Flash's health. Yes, though at least he (practically) only has to worry about TvT right now. | ||
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Jaester88
United States143 Posts
On April 22 2010 23:48 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: I don't think that was always the case though: 1) Kal knocked him out in NATE MSL, but didn't win. 2) Iris knocked him out in Avalon; Calm won that one 3) Flash knocked him out in GOMTV S4: JD won that one. 4) JD knocked him out of Arena: ForGG won that one. The only cases I can think of where it held true were GOMTV S2, Lost Saga and Clubday MSLs. Huh. Wasn't it true for Savior and Bisu (several times)? If not, I guess I'm remembering wrong then. My bad. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
The OSL is already well on it's way to being fail so the MSL will be the saving grace. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
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Emon_
3925 Posts
Sad to see Sea go out, but man did he play good in set 2. Just an epic, epic game from both guys. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 23 2010 00:01 Jaester88 wrote: Huh. Wasn't it true for Savior and Bisu (several times)? If not, I guess I'm remembering wrong then. My bad. Savior and Bisu, back in their title winning days, weren't really the big cruxes of their PL teams the way Flash is. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On April 23 2010 00:45 Emon_ wrote: Flash is awesome and a full year younger then JD. Hope the fame helps him out in the future because he seems to be a really mannered young man. Sad to see Sea go out, but man did he play good in set 2. Just an epic, epic game from both guys. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/424_Flash/main http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/211_Jaedong/main One year? | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 23 2010 00:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Savior and Bisu, back in their title winning days, weren't really the big cruxes of their PL teams the way Flash is. Why are you mentioning PL teams when they are talking about Hwasin? o.O | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
w/o power outage imba of course. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On April 23 2010 01:28 Katsuge wrote: looking forward to a JD Flash finals yo.. w/o power outage imba of course. power outage jokes are still considered funny? anyway is there a translation for the interviews?? Really wanna hear wat Jaedong had to say about him being so sloppy and getting raped by Ace | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On April 23 2010 00:58 J1.au wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/424_Flash/main http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/211_Jaedong/main One year? wow, over 2,5 years? I've always thought they were like 1-1,5 year apart too. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On April 23 2010 00:19 adelarge wrote: The Hwasin curse! People who beat him sometimes end up winning the MSL and sometimes they don't! Will it strike again this season? Stay tuned! Actually, out of his entire MSL career(at least 9 and counting) and out of his entire OSL career(at least 5 and counting), only 3 people who beat him went on to win. 2 of them won against Jangbi in finals, 1 of them was Bisu when Hwasin somehow came up to the semi-finals. Everyone else got knocked out, including everyone in Hwasin OSL groups that he did not make it out of. Important facts to base Flash's success? No. Fun facts to judge Flash with? Sure. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On April 23 2010 00:19 adelarge wrote: The Hwasin curse! People who beat him sometimes end up winning the MSL and sometimes they don't! Will it strike again this season? Stay tuned! LOL and also a big lol @ the guys who actually went back to count how many of hwasin's knockouts were from the eventual winner :| | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 23 2010 03:07 Nick_54 wrote: Luxury beat Hwasin and went on to win Lost Saga MSL and Bisu beat him and went on to win GOM MSL 2 and Clubday MSL. GGPlay also beat him in Daum OSL and went on to when his title. So yes, a fair number of players have won titles after beating hwasin. A fair number of ex-champs beat hwasin in SLs too. But this curse stopped occurring a few seasons ago. This kind of stuff happens when your qualification rate to the ro16 is 100%. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
and looks like the hwasin curse is about to kick in Flash is winning the MSL | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
On April 23 2010 05:44 DreaM)XeRO wrote: oh jaedong giving me a scare and looks like the hwasin curse is about to kick in Flash is winning the MSL JD get better and better while advancing in the leagues. Remember last season he got humiliated by Flash in OLS Ro8 and then dominated him although he looked just as invincible as right now in the MSL final. Plus he has secret weapons such as power outage and killer eyes. So... I'm afraid Flash still has a serious rival in this MSL. | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On April 23 2010 06:14 Biff The Understudy wrote: I remember it was an intense, back-and-forth series. No domination.JD get better and better while advancing in the leagues. Remember last season he got humiliated by Flash in OLS Ro8 and then dominated him although he looked just as invincible as right now in the MSL final. Plus he has secret weapons such as power outage and killer eyes. So... I'm afraid Flash still has a serious rival in this MSL. The only set that can be considered to be one was the last set, and Flash had to deal with the pressure of his father (later ejected), his coach (threatened to walk out with team), and Kespa referees "arguing" over the black out set. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 23 2010 06:21 domane wrote: I remember it was an intense, back-and-forth series. No domination. The only set that can be considered to be one was the last set, and Flash had to deal with the pressure of his father (later ejected), his coach (threatened to walk out with team), and Kespa referees "arguing" over the black out set. The only game that was back-and-forth was the third game. And there was domination, JD raped Flash completely in mind games (He had always the BO advantage). | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
On April 23 2010 06:21 domane wrote: I remember it was an intense, back-and-forth series. No domination. The only set that can be considered to be one was the last set, and Flash had to deal with the pressure of his father (later ejected), his coach (threatened to walk out with team), and Kespa referees "arguing" over the black out set. I'm a huuuge Flash fan, but Jaedong really played better that day. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
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LuigiNMario
United States456 Posts
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
On April 23 2010 09:56 LuigiNMario wrote: Lol hydra won once. Yeah, but it was ZvZ ^^. Anyways, I find it depressing that Sea never seems to make it in the individual leagues. What exactly is he doing wrong? | ||
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
On April 23 2010 07:59 n.DieJokes wrote: Nice games today, glad to see free advance. Hydra played some baller ZvZ, where does cj get these all these gosu's to be. Unrelated but how are people still doubting JD, kids gonna rise like a phoenix into the Bo5's and take it home the same way he's done the last 3 (4?) season This, JD is the damn Bo5 master | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 23 2010 06:14 Biff The Understudy wrote: JD get better and better while advancing in the leagues. Remember last season he got humiliated by Flash in OLS Ro8 and then dominated him although he looked just as invincible as right now in the MSL final. Plus he has secret weapons such as power outage and killer eyes. So... I'm afraid Flash still has a serious rival in this MSL. Er I think it's pretty fair to say that Flash looks even better now than he did the previous MSL finals. The real reason being that he lost a final and is still tearing shit apart (including beating Jaedong like a day later) Is Jaedong a threat in Bo5? Always. Did I consider the last MSL final a domination? No not at all. Jaedong won the first, Flash won the second, the third game is a fuck fest, and the fourth game was a rock rolling down the hill. Jaedong played better that day but it sure as hell wasn't domination. Domination implies a 3-0 rapefest. | ||
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j2choe
Canada243 Posts
JD destroyed the first game with his first wave of muta. Flash made no cannons and got rolled. Second game JD took a pretty serious lead that he burned when Flash managed to turn the game around with key drops, brilliant micro at the end. Third game as we know was pretty strongly in Dong's favor before the power was pulled. Last game, as we know was a wash. 2 rapes, 1 late game loss, and a pretty decisive victory is domination to me. Flash never had a foothold in this series. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
On April 23 2010 16:13 tomatriedes wrote: Maybe we should be talking about an MBC-terran-in-individual-league-can't-ever-get-past-quarter-finals curse. Sea cannot win a BoX. Simple as that. He get to the Ro16 / Ro8, and first time he has to win two games in a row, he get spanked. That and nervosity. He is too damn nervous when his team is not behind. But oh well, we know that. On April 23 2010 12:58 Jayme wrote: Er I think it's pretty fair to say that Flash looks even better now than he did the previous MSL finals. The real reason being that he lost a final and is still tearing shit apart (including beating Jaedong like a day later) Is Jaedong a threat in Bo5? Always. Did I consider the last MSL final a domination? No not at all. Jaedong won the first, Flash won the second, the third game is a fuck fest, and the fourth game was a rock rolling down the hill. Jaedong played better that day but it sure as hell wasn't domination. Domination implies a 3-0 rapefest. Yes you are right, domination is a big word. However, that was the only time in the last six months or so that Flash looked in my eyes almost fragile to an opponent. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On April 23 2010 16:13 tomatriedes wrote: Maybe we should be talking about an MBC-terran-in-individual-league-can't-ever-get-past-quarter-finals curse. Sea with his team cheering him on is a complete baller, totally fearless. Sea without his team is like a scared child. I feel so sad every time he loses. It's totally a mental problem with Sea because he clearly has the skill/ability to at least get to individual league finals (if he doesn't meet Flash along the way). There have been a number of less talented players who have won indiv leagues/made finals over the last few years. Sigh. | ||
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karlkarlson
26 Posts
Flash is going to win both the MSL and OSL. The finals of BOTH starleagues will be TvT. ( Baby Vs Flash in one of them ). As a zerg fan, starcraft is becoming a depressing past-time. One that I am coming to hate. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On April 23 2010 15:37 j2choe wrote: No it doesn't. JD destroyed the first game with his first wave of muta. Flash made no cannons and got rolled. Second game JD took a pretty serious lead that he burned when Flash managed to turn the game around with key drops, brilliant micro at the end. Third game as we know was pretty strongly in Dong's favor before the power was pulled. Last game, as we know was a wash. 2 rapes, 1 late game loss, and a pretty decisive victory is domination to me. Flash never had a foothold in this series. lol, I was almost missing the "Jaedong is never beaten by his opponents, he always beats himself!" argument | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On April 23 2010 15:37 j2choe wrote: No it doesn't. JD destroyed the first game with his first wave of muta. Flash made no cannons and got rolled. Second game JD took a pretty serious lead that he burned when Flash managed to turn the game around with key drops, brilliant micro at the end. Third game as we know was pretty strongly in Dong's favor before the power was pulled. Last game, as we know was a wash. 2 rapes, 1 late game loss, and a pretty decisive victory is domination to me. Flash never had a foothold in this series. Did you even watch the series? 2 rapes and 1 late game loss lol? Game 1 was a rape. Game 2 was a tense game with an incredible finish (your so called late game loss) Game 3 was even more tense and close (lol your "rape"). That two base massive SK all in was quite frightening and came close to succeeding. Game 4 I won't comment on either just as you didn't. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 23 2010 21:12 karlkarlson wrote: As a zerg fan, starcraft is becoming a depressing past-time. This was how non-zerg fans felt in 2009. It's payback time now. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On April 23 2010 21:12 karlkarlson wrote: we're allowed to make predictions in this thread right? because i don't want to be banned for this. normally, i wouldn't care what happens, but i want to be able to come back here and see the looks on all your virtual faces, when you realize that i am/was right. Flash is going to win both the MSL and OSL. The finals of BOTH starleagues will be TvT. ( Baby Vs Flash in one of them ). As a zerg fan, starcraft is becoming a depressing past-time. One that I am coming to hate. If you've even watched any MSL/OSL recently you'd know this is highly unlikely given that Baby is playing Flash in RO8 OSL (and 0-1 down) and in RO16 MSL Baby is 0-1 down to MVP. | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
im sure most of us would think that a double zvz finals is someting we will not miss.. and no it wont be a double tvt finals.. very unlikely to be 1.. | ||
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