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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 09 2010 11:48 GMT
#381
no upgrades, no queen's nest

god both players suck at ZvZ
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
April 09 2010 11:48 GMT
#382
I would give the advantage to shine, actually
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 09 2010 11:48 GMT
#383
On April 09 2010 20:47 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2010 20:45 SuperArc wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:43 Holgerius wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:39 SuperArc wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:32 Holgerius wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:02 darktreb wrote:
On April 09 2010 19:48 Holgerius wrote:
It makes me sick to see people compare Movie to Bisu and calling him the next big Protoss. =/ I do not see any potential for that in his play.


That's pretty harsh. His play is definitely sloppy but to say you don't see "any potential" for him to be the next big Protoss means you're basically going out of your way not to.

He's clearly got the modern solid mechanics as well as occasionally brilliant micro. He's demonstrated an ability to play PvZ in a way and on a level that very few if any other Protoss players can at the moment (his impressive 2-0 of Zero who was coming off an insane ZvP streak at the time during the last OSL is grossly underrated). He's demonstrated that he can perform under pressure (not every time, but he's not a guaranteed choker either) with games like his PL playoffs ace match against Leta last summer and him making the OSL finals as well as getting into both ro16's this year. He's also shown that he can come up with crafty builds, such as what he showed in games 1 and 2 in the OSL finals where he was way ahead in builds both times but couldn't put it together (and was facing the best player in the world). He would have won that OSL against another Terran, maybe even 3-0.

He's also demonstrated that he can sometimes play absolutely terribly, and he sometimes makes absolutely inexcusable mistakes that are painful to watch.

But to say he has "no potential" to be the next big P? Movie's like practically the definition of unrefined potential.

I do not think he's showing solid mechanics at all. In fact I have several times noticed that his multitasking is extremely poor. His micro is good on a small scale, but when it comes to huge army control he is severly outclassed by plenty of other Tosses. I do not agree that he would've won the OSL finals vs any other T than Flash; his PvT is absolutely horrible and insanely gimmicky. I can agree that his PvZ is pretty good, but other than that he's mediocre at best. Comparing him to Bisu is retarded.


So a mediocre player has 100% win rate vs Stats and Stork? God those two must suck.

And his BOs were good enough to crush any other T than Flash 3-0.

Dude, M18M has a 100% winrate vs Flash. So what? Really bad argument there yo.

I feel extremely confident that any solid TvP'er would've crushed Movie.

At roughly the same point in his career as Movie is in now, Bisu had 2 Starleague wins under his belt and had crushed the current bonjwa 3-0.


M18M only played one game vs Flash.


And Movie only played 2 games vs Stork.


Three if you count today, all happened at different times.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
April 09 2010 11:48 GMT
#384
almost 20mins and still 2 base for both o.O
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 09 2010 11:49 GMT
#385
shine has 700 min and cant do anithing with it
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 09 2010 11:49 GMT
#386
On April 09 2010 20:48 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2010 20:47 writer22816 wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:45 SuperArc wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:43 Holgerius wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:39 SuperArc wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:32 Holgerius wrote:
On April 09 2010 20:02 darktreb wrote:
On April 09 2010 19:48 Holgerius wrote:
It makes me sick to see people compare Movie to Bisu and calling him the next big Protoss. =/ I do not see any potential for that in his play.


That's pretty harsh. His play is definitely sloppy but to say you don't see "any potential" for him to be the next big Protoss means you're basically going out of your way not to.

He's clearly got the modern solid mechanics as well as occasionally brilliant micro. He's demonstrated an ability to play PvZ in a way and on a level that very few if any other Protoss players can at the moment (his impressive 2-0 of Zero who was coming off an insane ZvP streak at the time during the last OSL is grossly underrated). He's demonstrated that he can perform under pressure (not every time, but he's not a guaranteed choker either) with games like his PL playoffs ace match against Leta last summer and him making the OSL finals as well as getting into both ro16's this year. He's also shown that he can come up with crafty builds, such as what he showed in games 1 and 2 in the OSL finals where he was way ahead in builds both times but couldn't put it together (and was facing the best player in the world). He would have won that OSL against another Terran, maybe even 3-0.

He's also demonstrated that he can sometimes play absolutely terribly, and he sometimes makes absolutely inexcusable mistakes that are painful to watch.

But to say he has "no potential" to be the next big P? Movie's like practically the definition of unrefined potential.

I do not think he's showing solid mechanics at all. In fact I have several times noticed that his multitasking is extremely poor. His micro is good on a small scale, but when it comes to huge army control he is severly outclassed by plenty of other Tosses. I do not agree that he would've won the OSL finals vs any other T than Flash; his PvT is absolutely horrible and insanely gimmicky. I can agree that his PvZ is pretty good, but other than that he's mediocre at best. Comparing him to Bisu is retarded.


So a mediocre player has 100% win rate vs Stats and Stork? God those two must suck.

And his BOs were good enough to crush any other T than Flash 3-0.

Dude, M18M has a 100% winrate vs Flash. So what? Really bad argument there yo.

I feel extremely confident that any solid TvP'er would've crushed Movie.

At roughly the same point in his career as Movie is in now, Bisu had 2 Starleague wins under his belt and had crushed the current bonjwa 3-0.


M18M only played one game vs Flash.


And Movie only played 2 games vs Stork.


Three if you count today, all happened at different times.

Come back if he actually beats Stork in a BoX in a Starleague. Then I can maybe take you seriously.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
April 09 2010 11:49 GMT
#387
It looks like equal drones...hard to tell.

Air battle. Shine winning...

Effort GGs
this is my quote.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
April 09 2010 11:49 GMT
#388
effort gg's

BW is back
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 09 2010 11:49 GMT
#389
shine wins. boring zvz.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
April 09 2010 11:49 GMT
#390
Effort so bad.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 09 2010 11:49 GMT
#391
gg effort. slump hard?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
L_P_Monix
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia157 Posts
April 09 2010 11:50 GMT
#392
god damnit effort
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
April 09 2010 11:50 GMT
#393
effort
is he 0-2 now?
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
April 09 2010 11:50 GMT
#394
Extremely well played by Shine, I guess we can officially say EffOrt has completely burned out.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
April 09 2010 11:50 GMT
#395
ATTABOY SHINE.
Shine's zvz is still rock hard.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
April 09 2010 11:50 GMT
#396
Effort looked so promising in 2009
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
April 09 2010 11:50 GMT
#397
Stork and Effort out of the OSL btw.
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
April 09 2010 11:51 GMT
#398
Ahahah everyone looking for Shine's card.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 09 2010 11:51 GMT
#399
Why is Effort even playing SC anymore?

His games clearly show he takes his girlfriend more seriously. He should make way and retire. Hydra has more potential than that.

His play is disgusting.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
April 09 2010 11:51 GMT
#400
effort is out of the osl

again

BW is back
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