Even during his darkest hours, Bisu's PvP never failed him! This is it, Protoss fans! Tonight, we shall witness whether this hour shall mark the final fall of the most dominant Protoss in history
On April 08 2010 07:35 boesthius wrote: i dont think mystlord is streaming - he said last night was his last night until saturday i think. in any case i'm streaming
On April 08 2010 08:05 FireGuyX wrote: Stats>Shuttle Movie>Bisu Movie>Stats Bisu>Shuttle Bisu>Stats
Movie and Bisu advance.
Worst predictions ever. Movie is screwed in this group. Stats and shuttle are ridiculously good at pvp.
I don't think those are bad predictions, much less "worst ever". IMO any one of these four can make it out of this group.
Of course, that said, Stats and Shuttle's pvp are top class and in my humble opinion they are shoe-ins to the next round.
Stats > Shuttle (this tie could go either way, but I'm a kt fan so go chintoss) Bisu > Movie (sorry movie) Stats > Bisu (FUCK YEAH CHIN TOSS) Shuttle > Movie (sorry movie)
Stats 2-0 (c'mon chin, show your s-class pvp) Shuttle 2-1 (I'm a huge fan of shuttle, he is really underrated IMO. If he were playing for another team rather than stx he could be a starter, easily>)
You don't believe???? Bisu, come on, these guys are starting to not believe in you... Go 2-0 and put their words back in their mouths and make them believe!!! Goooooo Bisu!!!!! Cuz I believe!!! 2-0 = Bisu!!
Stats is aching for victory, he's hatching the master plan, catching his opponents with their pants down, patching up his weak spots, matching his opponent's skillz, watching carefully for opportunities, wrenching victory from his opponent's grasp, drenching them in fail, pinching their faces till they cry, just like pitching a shutout, not listening to their bitchin, bewitching them with his magic skillz, hitching a ride with the boothgirls afterwards, notching up the victories, stitching his increasing sponsor labels onto his jacket, then ditching his worshippers and hanging with his fans in China.
alright bisu, just avoid losing 2 reavers in a 1 hp shuttle or 4 gating in cross spawns twice tonight and you'll be fine. i hope. plz? Stork's recent fail means its your time to shine again. right?!?.... hope that vacation did some good
wow, I dont even remember when did I last watch a PvP, I'm looking forward to some good games here! I actually wouldnt mind any 2 players advancing (protoss fighting!), but I'd like to see Bisu back in form.
Two reavers out for Shuttle now. Stats adding 2 more gateways, bringing it up to 5. Shuttle pushing out, think he's going for the huge push. Two reavers forcing Stats back. Dang Stats lost a lot of goons during that. Shuttle with a sick advantage.
stats failed, lost all his probes and most of his goons before just killing 2 reavers. now hes going to lose his nat, actually shuttle was an idiot and didnt focus it
SHUTTLE IN THE NATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. One reaver down! But Stats' army is dead. SECOND REAVER DOWN thanks to reinforcements. 5 goons for Shuttle v 2 goons for Stats. Shuttle hitting nexus. Whoaaaaaaa Stats holds it off. But nexus is red, and few probes remain.
Nexus down. Obs finally out for Stats... yeah but Shuttle has this. Stats rebuilding nexus and pushing out. Oh wait Shuttle never expanded. Hmmm that makes it harder to call...
On April 08 2010 19:35 snowdrift86 wrote: Yoonjoong is such a fucking baller
He was even doing shuttle/goon micro once he lost the reavers.
he was dumb during that attack, instead of barely staying in nex's range to take it down he wasted reaver and bunch of goons trying tu push up the ramp. should have sniped the nex and retreated, while saving reaver.would be over now
On April 08 2010 19:35 snowdrift86 wrote: Yoonjoong is such a fucking baller -- he was even doing shuttle/goon micro once he lost the reavers.
Shuttle loves Shuttles. And now reaver/goon once again pushes Stats back. Engagement! Reavers are eating the goons... Stats with less goons than Shuttle, and STILL hasn't killed the reavers. Nexus dies again T_T Shuttle's like lol should I expo?
On April 08 2010 19:35 snowdrift86 wrote: Yoonjoong is such a fucking baller
He was even doing shuttle/goon micro once he lost the reavers.
he was dumb during that attack, instead of barely staying in nex's range to take it down he wasted reaver and bunch of goons trying tu push up the ramp. should have sniped the nex and retreated, while saving reaver.would be over now
It's not like it really mattered. He still got the nexus and he still has an army advantage.
Another battle in the relative middle... This time, Stats gets demolished. Shuttle with a lot of goons left, plus shuttle + reaver. GG FROM STATS! GOOOOO YOONJOONG~
On April 08 2010 19:35 snowdrift86 wrote: Yoonjoong is such a fucking baller
He was even doing shuttle/goon micro once he lost the reavers.
he was dumb during that attack, instead of barely staying in nex's range to take it down he wasted reaver and bunch of goons trying tu push up the ramp. should have sniped the nex and retreated, while saving reaver.would be over now
It's not like it really mattered. He still got the nexus and he still has an army advantage.
It almost mattered. Timing pushes are very delicate. He was sloppy to lose so many units after breaking through to the natural. He almost fail at his push's goal of destroying Stats' expansion.
On April 08 2010 19:43 FireGuyX wrote: Stats should of saved his units, I don't know why he went for the attack. Shuttle obviously had the economy advantage so he easily replenished his units.
There's no way Stats was coming back if he didn't go for some sort of attack/harass. He drew away part of Shuttle's army with those few goons that went down to 6 to deny Shuttle's third; that allowed him to break the contain, and for a short while he had 2 reavers against Shuttle's 1, though he was behind in goon numbers obv. Aside from ninja expos or whatnot, I don't think he could do much else.
I want all of Bisu, Shuttle, Movie, and Stats to make the Ro16. Bisu (when he's on) is an all-around Protoss hero, and the others are interesting players with one exceptionally good matchup.
Perhaps they they should merge into a PvP + PvZ + PvT monster.
On April 08 2010 19:43 FireGuyX wrote: Stats should of saved his units, I don't know why he went for the attack. Shuttle obviously had the economy advantage so he easily replenished his units.
There's no way Stats was coming back if he didn't go for some sort of attack/harass. He drew away part of Shuttle's army with those few goons that went down to 6 to deny Shuttle's third; that allowed him to break the contain, and for a short while he had 2 reavers against Shuttle's 1, though he was behind in goon numbers obv. Aside from ninja expos or whatnot, I don't think he could do much else.
Once he broke the contain, he could've double expanded. With proper use of manner pylons he probably could've defended the counter (FS has a very protected third). Or he could've tried to reaver harass his way back into the game.
Both options are risky as hell but you can't really play safe when you're behind.
Probe kills off Bisu's lot. Bisu now looking to expand to his eggnat, having already taken his natural nat (lol diction). 3gates for Bisu. Movie killing eggs up top.
Obs + citadel for Bisu. KTY DTs? Engagement! Movie comes out ahead because zealots drew fire! Bisu pushed back into base! Movie hitting probes at nat! BISU NOOOOOO
Bisu badly outpositioned and outmicroed by Movie. He would've been fine, but he insisted on break out rather than holding his nat, and controlled his breakout very poorly.
Reaver gets some revenge on probes before it dies! BISU HITTING NEXUS AT MAIN AHHHH COMMENTATORS GOING CRAZY DT AT BISU'S MAIN DRIVES MOVIE AWAYYYYYYYYYYY. BISUUUUUUUUUUUUU DT at Movie's main finally dies. Holy fucccccccccccccccccccccccck those DTs were heroes.
Ooh Bisu's shuttle goes down straight into goons :/ Either way, Movie with a third now top right. Movie's obs sees another shuttle! DT dropped! Obs comes back... DT dies.
Movie with speed shuttle going for Bisu, while Bisu slowly shuttles toward Movie. FOUR ZEALOT DROP FOR BISU! AHHHH REEBO! NEXUS... NEXUS... NEXUS LIVES! BLINKING RED. HOLY HELL LUCKY MOVIE.
TWO GOONS DROPPED. NEXUS SNIPUUUUUUUUUU Movie's like FU and goes for Bisu's nat! ENGAGEEEEEEEEEEE OUCH BOTH OF MOVIE'S REAVERS GO DOWN. And then his goons are cleaned up. Holy shit Movie how did you throw this away?
Good god, Movie's mediocrity is really coming out here, just another gimmicky toss. How did he ever get to OSL finals with this level of play? Oh right, he beat Shine...an equally gimmicky mediocre zerg.
Bisu dropping four zealots again! Hitting probes! Sooo many probes die before getting gooned to death. Man Bisu is taking this game back. Movie just failzors.
On April 08 2010 20:07 Severedevil wrote: Bisu, a nexus only costs as much as four zealots. Be careful not to overspend on sniping, kk.
Whoa, mega flanked push. Movie's in trouble.
its not the 400 mins, its that Movie cant mine from it until its rebuilt. thats alot more mins right there
The mining time lost is not that huge since he has two other bases mining that he can move the probes to, and he's not saturated or anything.
Also, Bisu paid quite a bit more than the four hundred minerals to snipe it, since he also lost the goons. That was fine, but losing the shuttle trying to snipe the other nexus was too greedy/incautious.
On April 08 2010 20:09 Sadistx wrote: Good god, Movie's mediocrity is really coming out here, just another gimmicky toss. How did he ever get to OSL finals with this level of play? Oh right, he beat Shine...an equally gimmicky mediocre zerg.
Didn't he outplay Bisu till the dt drop?
And he also beat zero, the zerg Bisu always fails against.
On April 08 2010 20:07 Severedevil wrote: Bisu, a nexus only costs as much as four zealots. Be careful not to overspend on sniping, kk.
Whoa, mega flanked push. Movie's in trouble.
its not the 400 mins, its that Movie cant mine from it until its rebuilt. thats alot more mins right there
The mining time lost is not that huge since he has two other bases mining that he can move the probes to, and he's not saturated or anything.
Also, Bisu paid quite a bit more than the four hundred minerals to snipe it, since he also lost the goons. That was fine, but losing the shuttle trying to snipe the other nexus was too greedy/incautious.
are you serious?even in given situation, had he wasted 10 zeals to kill it, it would be worth it
Ow, storm hurts. Bisu pushing into nat with a vastly superior army. Hmm at least Movie scouted the ninja expo at 3! Oh man Movie losing this is just... embarrassing...
Bisu wipes out the nat. Now he's going for the main. GG FROM MOVIE. KTY!~
On April 08 2010 20:09 Sadistx wrote: Good god, Movie's mediocrity is really coming out here, just another gimmicky toss. How did he ever get to OSL finals with this level of play? Oh right, he beat Shine...an equally gimmicky mediocre zerg.
Didn't he outplay Bisu till the dt drop?
And he also beat zero, the zerg Bisu always fails against.
Doesn't matter a single bit if you still lose after getting like the biggest advantage ever.
I didn't think Movie scouted the DT's even when his goons attacked the DT's. Had Movie just simply defended his base from the DT's he would of won the game.
Right, I now have a newfound appreciation for both PvP and Bisu. As long as he doesn't get in the way of Flash I'm gonna root for Bisu. That game was awesome.
On April 08 2010 20:07 Severedevil wrote: Bisu, a nexus only costs as much as four zealots. Be careful not to overspend on sniping, kk.
Whoa, mega flanked push. Movie's in trouble.
its not the 400 mins, its that Movie cant mine from it until its rebuilt. thats alot more mins right there
The mining time lost is not that huge since he has two other bases mining that he can move the probes to, and he's not saturated or anything.
Also, Bisu paid quite a bit more than the four hundred minerals to snipe it, since he also lost the goons. That was fine, but losing the shuttle trying to snipe the other nexus was too greedy/incautious.
are you serious?even in given situation, had he wasted 10 zeals to kill it, it would be worth it
I'm not remotely convinced of that assertion. Can you back it up?
Movie's goons even attacked the DT's lol. if this was real those goons would just be yelling "WTF WHERE ARE YOU GOING I NEED TO FINISH KILLING THAT DT"
On April 08 2010 20:16 Chen wrote: Movie's goons even attacked the DT's lol. if this was real those goons would just be yelling "WTF WHERE ARE YOU GOING I NEED TO FINISH KILLING THAT DT"
Movie didn't pay attention at all to the base that was being attacked. That's why Movie was harassing with his reavers. Movie did not know that his probes were being depleted.
On April 08 2010 20:07 Severedevil wrote: Bisu, a nexus only costs as much as four zealots. Be careful not to overspend on sniping, kk.
Whoa, mega flanked push. Movie's in trouble.
its not the 400 mins, its that Movie cant mine from it until its rebuilt. thats alot more mins right there
The mining time lost is not that huge since he has two other bases mining that he can move the probes to, and he's not saturated or anything.
Also, Bisu paid quite a bit more than the four hundred minerals to snipe it, since he also lost the goons. That was fine, but losing the shuttle trying to snipe the other nexus was too greedy/incautious.
are you serious?even in given situation, had he wasted 10 zeals to kill it, it would be worth it
I'm not remotely convinced of that assertion. Can you back it up?
On April 08 2010 20:16 Chen wrote: Movie's goons even attacked the DT's lol. if this was real those goons would just be yelling "WTF WHERE ARE YOU GOING I NEED TO FINISH KILLING THAT DT"
Movie didn't pay attention at all to the base that was being attacked. That's why Movie was harassing with his reavers. Movie did not know that his probes were being depleted.
Even after Bisu attacked the CyCore... Movie's like lol I'll just transfer MORE probes there to die.
On April 08 2010 20:07 Severedevil wrote: Bisu, a nexus only costs as much as four zealots. Be careful not to overspend on sniping, kk.
Whoa, mega flanked push. Movie's in trouble.
its not the 400 mins, its that Movie cant mine from it until its rebuilt. thats alot more mins right there
The mining time lost is not that huge since he has two other bases mining that he can move the probes to, and he's not saturated or anything.
Also, Bisu paid quite a bit more than the four hundred minerals to snipe it, since he also lost the goons. That was fine, but losing the shuttle trying to snipe the other nexus was too greedy/incautious.
are you serious?even in given situation, had he wasted 10 zeals to kill it, it would be worth it
I'm not remotely convinced of that assertion. Can you back it up?
even if there were only 6 probes mining, they could easily get quite a few hundred minerals in the time it took to rebuild it. Also Movie was horribly short on probes, and desperately needed another nexus to restore his saturation. I can't say with hard #'s and solid proof that 10 zeals would be worth it, but just think about how much economy movie lost from not being able to mine and not being able to produce probes to saturate his bases
On April 08 2010 20:07 Severedevil wrote: Bisu, a nexus only costs as much as four zealots. Be careful not to overspend on sniping, kk.
Whoa, mega flanked push. Movie's in trouble.
its not the 400 mins, its that Movie cant mine from it until its rebuilt. thats alot more mins right there
The mining time lost is not that huge since he has two other bases mining that he can move the probes to, and he's not saturated or anything.
Also, Bisu paid quite a bit more than the four hundred minerals to snipe it, since he also lost the goons. That was fine, but losing the shuttle trying to snipe the other nexus was too greedy/incautious.
are you serious?even in given situation, had he wasted 10 zeals to kill it, it would be worth it
I'm not remotely convinced of that assertion. Can you back it up?
Everything you've said in the last 15 minutes has been pretty much completely wrong or reflective of how ignorant you are about the game.
On April 08 2010 20:07 Severedevil wrote: Bisu, a nexus only costs as much as four zealots. Be careful not to overspend on sniping, kk.
Whoa, mega flanked push. Movie's in trouble.
its not the 400 mins, its that Movie cant mine from it until its rebuilt. thats alot more mins right there
The mining time lost is not that huge since he has two other bases mining that he can move the probes to, and he's not saturated or anything.
Also, Bisu paid quite a bit more than the four hundred minerals to snipe it, since he also lost the goons. That was fine, but losing the shuttle trying to snipe the other nexus was too greedy/incautious.
are you serious?even in given situation, had he wasted 10 zeals to kill it, it would be worth it
I'm not remotely convinced of that assertion. Can you back it up?
even if there were only 6 probes mining, they could easily get quite a few hundred minerals in the time it took to rebuild it. Also Movie was horrible short on probes, and desperately needed another nexus to restore his saturation. I can't say with hard #'s and solid proof that 10 zeals would be worth it, but just think about how much economy movie lost from not being able to mine and not being able to produce probes to saturate his bases
thanks for writing that out, was lazy :p
not only that, movie would have to spend extra money on rebuilding nexus and probes, that means less units. Bisu would then be able to catch up in psi count, while Movie would be unable to reinforce his army during the time the nexus is being rebuilt.
you cannot say Movie outplayed Bisu before that, he just sacrificed tech for bigger army timing attack, it was BO risk advantage which is common in PvP providing the lack of early scouting in that match up, Bisu could have went for fast darks and Movie would have died there on spot with his BO, so Bisu's move with the DTs was actually some kind of outsmarting kind of move when all the cards were down and they were not playing blind
On April 08 2010 20:19 roronoe wrote: This is nearly as bad as Hwasin's CC burn.
lol what? his CC was red and he didnt repair it? VOODD!!
his CC was almost YELLOW, and he let it burn down -.- it had at least 400-500 HP and went all the way to zero. best part was he realized it when it had 9 hp left, but when he sent shit to repair it got stuck and bugged out, so it died when the it was 1/2 a pixel away from teh CC
On April 08 2010 20:19 roronoe wrote: This is nearly as bad as Hwasin's CC burn.
lol what? his CC was red and he didnt repair it? VOODD!!
his CC was almost YELLOW, and he let it burn down -.- it had at least 400-500 HP and went all the way to zero. best part was he realized it when it had 9 hp left, but when he sent shit to repair it got stuck and bugged out, so it died when the it was 1/2 a pixel away from teh CC
Uhh what? Stuff only starts burning when it's in the red (less than 1/3 of full HP).
this was a good PvP. The people who say this PvP sucked must not play protoss, or haven't ever had to rely on DTs to catch back up. That was something that was really hard to pull off.
Movie's play wasn't nearly as bad as Canata's proxy factory cancel
On April 08 2010 20:07 Severedevil wrote: Bisu, a nexus only costs as much as four zealots. Be careful not to overspend on sniping, kk.
Whoa, mega flanked push. Movie's in trouble.
its not the 400 mins, its that Movie cant mine from it until its rebuilt. thats alot more mins right there
The mining time lost is not that huge since he has two other bases mining that he can move the probes to, and he's not saturated or anything.
Also, Bisu paid quite a bit more than the four hundred minerals to snipe it, since he also lost the goons. That was fine, but losing the shuttle trying to snipe the other nexus was too greedy/incautious.
are you serious?even in given situation, had he wasted 10 zeals to kill it, it would be worth it
I'm not remotely convinced of that assertion. Can you back it up?
even if there were only 6 probes mining, they could easily get quite a few hundred minerals in the time it took to rebuild it. Also Movie was horribly short on probes, and desperately needed another nexus to restore his saturation. I can't say with hard #'s and solid proof that 10 zeals would be worth it, but just think about how much economy movie lost from not being able to mine and not being able to produce probes to saturate his bases
On April 08 2010 20:19 roronoe wrote: This is nearly as bad as Hwasin's CC burn.
lol what? his CC was red and he didnt repair it? VOODD!!
his CC was almost YELLOW, and he let it burn down -.- it had at least 400-500 HP and went all the way to zero. best part was he realized it when it had 9 hp left, but when he sent shit to repair it got stuck and bugged out, so it died when the it was 1/2 a pixel away from teh CC
Uhh what? Stuff only starts burning when it's in the red (less than 1/3 of full HP).
On April 08 2010 20:19 roronoe wrote: This is nearly as bad as Hwasin's CC burn.
lol what? his CC was red and he didnt repair it? VOODD!!
his CC was almost YELLOW, and he let it burn down -.- it had at least 400-500 HP and went all the way to zero. best part was he realized it when it had 9 hp left, but when he sent shit to repair it got stuck and bugged out, so it died when the it was 1/2 a pixel away from teh CC
Uhh what? Stuff only starts burning when it's in the red (less than 1/3 of full HP).
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It's called a ninja edit dude - that's not what it said when I hit "quote"
On April 08 2010 20:23 Bill Murray wrote: this was a good PvP. The people who say this PvP sucked must not play protoss, or haven't ever had to rely on DTs to catch back up. That was something that was really hard to pull off.
Movie's play wasn't nearly as bad as Canata's proxy factory cancel
It wasn't the fact Bisu used DTs to catch up. Its the fact that Movie didn't do anything about it until he lost 40 probes and had two nexus' burning. And its not like he didn't see it coming - his observer just flew past Bisu's shuttle while it was dropping DTs.
Its as bad as Backho flying two shuttles or whatever into a pack of wraiths he just saw.
On April 08 2010 20:21 M2 wrote: you cannot say Movie outplayed Bisu before that, he just sacrificed tech for bigger army timing attack, it was BO risk advantage which is common in PvP providing the lack of early scouting in that match up, Bisu could have went for fast darks and Movie would have died there on spot with his BO, so Bisu's move with the DTs was actually some kind of outsmarting kind of move when all the cards were down and they were not playing blind
Bisu's natural was already down before the templar archives was build, also Movie had an observatory ready. I'm guessing Movie sent his observer down at Bisu's base to check for the DT's there, when in fact the DT's were in Movie's base.
On April 08 2010 20:19 roronoe wrote: This is nearly as bad as Hwasin's CC burn.
lol what? his CC was red and he didnt repair it? VOODD!!
his CC was almost YELLOW, and he let it burn down -.- it had at least 400-500 HP and went all the way to zero. best part was he realized it when it had 9 hp left, but when he sent shit to repair it got stuck and bugged out, so it died when the it was 1/2 a pixel away from teh CC
Uhh what? Stuff only starts burning when it's in the red (less than 1/3 of full HP).
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It's called a ninja edit dude - that's not what it said when I hit "quote"
sorry about that lol XD. read my post afterwards and realized my mistake. just in time too
Just my opinion, you might want to remove game 1 from recommanded ones, and strongly recommend 2nd one. Meh, anyway not many ppl actually appreciate beauty of pvp or will care enough to watch today's ones
On April 08 2010 20:19 roronoe wrote: This is nearly as bad as Hwasin's CC burn.
lol what? his CC was red and he didnt repair it? VOODD!!
his CC was almost YELLOW, and he let it burn down -.- it had at least 400-500 HP and went all the way to zero. best part was he realized it when it had 9 hp left, but when he sent shit to repair it got stuck and bugged out, so it died when the it was 1/2 a pixel away from teh CC
Uhh what? Stuff only starts burning when it's in the red (less than 1/3 of full HP).
can some1 explain how Bisu played "aweful" in game 1? he got shafted on BO's and lost his nat 4-gate vs 3-gate, then siezed the opportunity Movie gave him to come back and won the game. Movie played like shit, but Bisu had some great moments there ie shuttle intercept, nexus snipe, storms in final fight
On April 08 2010 20:30 Chen wrote: can some1 explain how Bisu played "aweful" in game 1? he got shafted on BO's and lost his nat 4-gate vs 3-gate, then siezed the opportunity Movie gave him to come back and won the game. Movie played like shit, but Bisu had some great moments there ie shuttle intercept, nexus snipe, storms in final fight
His opening play was very good, taking the front expo was very questionable. He could have defended with better micro and then lost the game but got really lucky with a drop. I wouldn't call it awful, but not really good either.
Bisu with econ adv, Shuttle with huge army and tech advantage. Shuttle wants to kill Bisu's third, no reavers for Bisu to defend, huge storm decimates bisu's units
Shuttle now 14-4 in standard league PvP. Bisu really isnt the same person anymore =( even if he gets out of this group he wont be getting to far playing like this
i dont understand where all of bisu's units went. lol maybe its the lag, but i never heard any screams from the commentators and next thing i know, shuttle is pushing into bisu's nat. lol
On April 08 2010 20:41 Chen wrote: Shuttle now 14-4 in standard league PvP. Bisu really isnt the same person anymore =( even if he gets out of this group he wont be getting to far playing like this
Yea, and I think that he is too greedy with taking expos, that's what almost costed him game 1 and that's why he lost in game 2
On April 08 2010 20:48 SkelA wrote: Shuttle would be 1st pick toss in any team except STX and KHAN
Woojin? SKT(have been sucking yes, but would you really pick against Best/Bisu in anything other than PvP?) I dont think Shuttle is quite 6-dragons level yet/has more to prove than beating a slumping Bisu in PvP
So fucking sad. . . If he had stormed the dragoons he mightve stood a chance against Movie. But he missclicked. . . GG Stats. Best of luck in the PL. Movie fighting.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
Lol, no I meant he was trying to morph before scarabs killed them. Storm was completely unintentional misclick or whatever. Also 12 goons + 2 full health reavers + full health shuttle. Storms wouldn't have saved him anyway considering the end of that battle.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
are u srs. hes def not the best PvZ progamer out there.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
are u srs. hes def not the best PvZ progamer out there.
His PvZ really is S-Class. Bisu's pretty shaky, same with Stork. Free and Kal? Not very much. BeSt? LoL. Jangbi probably comes closest.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
Did you watch movie vs great? Just really bad play.
Movie seems to open sair reaver a lot, and it usually isnt really impressive. Although if you ask me to name a better PvZ player, I don't really know, everyone's PvZ seems kind of shaky. Kal?
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
are u srs. hes def not the best PvZ progamer out there.
Easy to be the best at something when everyone who plays protoss is a retard.
Edit: Movie is probably the best at PvZ but that really isn't saying much. He can win fairly consistently and he definitely know what he's doing but he looks better than the other top protosses because he embarrasses himself the least.
This is in the day and age where top progamers like Free *forget* to research storm.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
are u srs. hes def not the best PvZ progamer out there.
Easy to be the best at something when everyone who plays protoss is a retard.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
are u srs. hes def not the best PvZ progamer out there.
His PvZ really is S-Class. Bisu's pretty shaky, same with Stork. Free and Kal? Not very much. BeSt? LoL. Jangbi probably comes closest.
How about Shuttle? See, even you who are aware of the fact that he is underrated underrate him. Invisible Toss!
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
If only you would stop trolling LR threads.
I know, I know I should stop posting, sorry I can't help it.
On April 08 2010 20:59 SuperArc wrote: Sooo people were saying Movie is the worst?
Meh, Movie is still a gimmicky retard.
Movie is one of those players that have average PvT and PvP. But he is probably the best PvZ progamer right now. When he plays against zergs his macro, micro, unit control, game sense, etc gets kicked up 3 notches. If only his PvT and PvP is just as good as his PvZ.
are u srs. hes def not the best PvZ progamer out there.
His PvZ really is S-Class. Bisu's pretty shaky, same with Stork. Free and Kal? Not very much. BeSt? LoL. Jangbi probably comes closest.
How about Shuttle? See, even you who are aware of the fact that he is underrated underrate him. Invisible Toss!
We haven't seen a lot of his PvZ lately which is why I didn't mention him
It's normal that the defender can be 1 gate down and still block, unless there's some serious probe cutting, big difference in micro or the distances are ridiculously close.
Dammit Bisu, you don't need reavers when you have a large edge in gateway count... UNLESS you insist on fighting in tight spaces with your goons all clumped up!
the player with the advantage must always lose it: please hold true one more time >< but bisu attacking with his pathetic force. he needs storm to have a chance, doesnt have it. his natural just came up WRONG TIME TO ENGAGE
Bisu is fucked. loses 1/2 of his goons for nothing, Movie still has a shuttle with a reaver. no sign of templars for Bisu but movie pulls back, doesnt want to risk it
Bisu took a bunch of risks in a row with the expo and trying to get HT before dying, there was a massive window for Movie to attack. He probably figured he was at a huge disadvantage, but coupled with weak micro it just made his play look bad overall.
damn how could bisu possibly lose that game?! he must have thought he had already won in the beginning and after that he just sucked... seems like he forgot how to micro properly >_<
On April 08 2010 21:31 trucane wrote: Meh. Shuttle were the only one who actually deserved to move on. Movie/Bisu/Stats all played so badly that neither of them really deserved to move on
yeah, but out of those three horrible tosses, Movie played the best.
Seriously though. How many kills on that 1st reaver that survived the ENTIRE game? Couldn't read the number =( Looked like 20 or 29? Near the end. And that's all fricking UNIT kills not probe kills. Jesus, that one reaver basically won the game.
On April 08 2010 21:31 Conquest101 wrote: Seriously though. How many kills on that 1st reaver that survived the ENTIRE game? Couldn't read the number =( Looked like 20 or 29? Near the end. And that's all fricking UNIT kills not probe kills. Jesus, that one reaver basically won the game.
On April 08 2010 21:31 Conquest101 wrote: Seriously though. How many kills on that 1st reaver that survived the ENTIRE game? Couldn't read the number =( Looked like 20 or 29? Near the end. And that's all fricking UNIT kills not probe kills. Jesus, that one reaver basically won the game.
last time i saw the reaver he had 29 kills
So it was 29. Christ, so 30+ by the end of the game. 90% of that non-probe.
On April 08 2010 21:34 Chen wrote: this is like savior all over again ;____; except this time without an emerging star to take his place
Movie is the only protoss finalist in the last 12 or so months. And if he had faced anyone other than Flash his builds would have won him a gold medal.
On April 08 2010 21:34 Chen wrote: this is like savior all over again ;____; except this time without an emerging star to take his place
Movie is the only protoss finalist in the last 12 or so months. And if he had faced anyone other than Flash his builds would have won him a gold medal.
yeah, but apart from his PvZ Movie doesnt really have the "it" factor, the thing that separates the legends from those who are just good.
in the PvP games we can actually really assess how much Protosses have fallen, since here the judgment is not biased by maps and race imbalances. No wonder they show no results lately, its not about the maps, the terrans' "amazing" turtling skills or zergs' 5 hatch into hydra unbetable strat, its about protosses who do not put too much effort in to the game or are just incapable of doing it.
On April 08 2010 21:34 Chen wrote: this is like savior all over again ;____; except this time without an emerging star to take his place
Movie is the only protoss finalist in the last 12 or so months. And if he had faced anyone other than Flash his builds would have won him a gold medal.
Please, don't try to paint Movie as the next big Protoss. That ship sailed after the OSL finals. He has good PvZ and that's what took him deep into the starleague, but otherwise he's mediocre. I'd take free or Kal over him any day, or an in-form Stork, all the more so when you consider the lesser number of Zergs qualifying.
To me, Shuttle is the most promising toss, as he has good PvP and PvZ, and his string of PvT losses occurred some months ago; more recently he beat Hiya in a good game in the MST, so I'm assuming he's improved in that matchup. More importantly, he has a solid, non-gimmicky style. Best with a brain.
Bisu is now entering Savior mode but face it toss fans it was bound to happen sometime. The guys obviously past his prime. It happened to Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, Reach, Savior and its definitely happening to him right now. Just by watching his games, hes lost everything players usually lose in a slump (game sense, strategy, micro)...
movie wanted to be second so he can play a zerg,thats why he lost to bisu first game I`m kidding ofcourse,but thouse reaver/shuttle micro is probably the best there is right now..A reaver killing 30+ dragoons and zealots LOL !
On April 08 2010 21:34 Chen wrote: this is like savior all over again ;____; except this time without an emerging star to take his place
Movie is the only protoss finalist in the last 12 or so months. And if he had faced anyone other than Flash his builds would have won him a gold medal.
Movie had the easiest Ro16 group with Go.go (Go.go is still bad even if he can beat Bisu) and Pusan. Movie walked over Zero, who has a long history of choking heavily under pressure. Movie walked over Shine who had completely exposed himself through his series against Bisu and Stork that he was incapable of macro. Then he got crushed by Flash.
Movie is good at PvZ but completely unremarkable at all other matchups. You can't even say that his builds would have worked on, for example, Fantasy or Hiya since neither player plays like Flash does. It'll be a sad day if Movie is the "emerging star" to take over Bisu considering how unimpressive his PvP and PvT are.
ffs guys shuttle has a 66% PvP, lb'ing against him is pretty much a stupid decision.... I think it's only a matter of time until he gets a PvP streak like best.
Up until WCG about half a year ago Bisu was still playing monstrous games. He wasn't close to winning any titles, but he was still awesome. So wtf happened to this guy?
On April 09 2010 00:12 cokencheese wrote: Up until WCG about half a year ago Bisu was still playing monstrous games. He wasn't close to winning any titles, but he was still awesome. So wtf happened to this guy?
Probably lazyness in practice and people figuring out that he relies a lot of multitask / harass. Shut those down and he's your ordinary toss
On April 09 2010 00:12 cokencheese wrote: Up until WCG about half a year ago Bisu was still playing monstrous games. He wasn't close to winning any titles, but he was still awesome. So wtf happened to this guy?
On April 09 2010 00:12 cokencheese wrote: Up until WCG about half a year ago Bisu was still playing monstrous games. He wasn't close to winning any titles, but he was still awesome. So wtf happened to this guy?
Today I saw in Bisu something i had not seen before. He seems to just not be enjoying the game, without any inspiration or drive to push forward his MU's.
Shuttle has really sick macro and honestly if he gets to play triathlon a lot I think he has a decent shot at getting far. That map really caters to his style.
Shuttle will do very well in this tournament! He's been around for so long and he's finally playing some really great starcraft. makes me happy for him
On April 09 2010 04:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Shuttle will do very well in this tournament! He's been around for so long and he's finally playing some really great starcraft. makes me happy for him
Yeah, he is the last veteran kinda guy I expected to make a comeback. But he is doing very well and his games seem even cleaner than Kal nowdays especially PvZ. I hope he goes far as he is one of the few good and improving tosses out there now and 1 of the few remaining reasons I still have left to give a fuck about the MSL. Plus he is the only guy who is close to TossGirl on the STX team according to some interview with her.
Only 2 problems I have with him is he all killed Khan and knocked out Bisu. Such a jackass move, jeez.
And as for Bisu, he will always be the man who ended the era of Bonjwas and created an entire new era with himself, Stork, Flash, and JD and he is still the only Protoss to have ever dominated the scene and the first of the neo-bonjwas. And if Stork is still one of the top players with his low APM, then there will always be hope for Bisu, the king of tosses, the king of dragons.
On April 09 2010 04:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Shuttle will do very well in this tournament! He's been around for so long and he's finally playing some really great starcraft. makes me happy for him
His real test will come soon, play Hiya the TvP destroyer on T favoured maps.
On April 09 2010 04:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Shuttle will do very well in this tournament! He's been around for so long and he's finally playing some really great starcraft. makes me happy for him
His real test will come soon, play Hiya the TvP destroyer on T favoured maps.
On April 09 2010 04:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Shuttle will do very well in this tournament! He's been around for so long and he's finally playing some really great starcraft. makes me happy for him
His real test will come soon, play Hiya the TvP destroyer on T favoured maps.
Hiya's TvP is terrible, he relies solely on gimmicks. Shuttle and his goon-heavy style are gonna facefuck him.
So this is like the 4th time in a row that Bisu goes out 1-2 on the verge of a starleague round of 16? As a fan, I think I'd rather have two 0-2 losses and two 2-1 advances...
I have only seen the last game so far (live), but Movie's risk-taking and great reaver use made it an exciting game IMO. Oh well, have to wait for the next season again... hopefully Bisu will come out and perform regularly in Proleague again (unlike the recent Winners League).
On April 09 2010 05:42 Azarkon wrote: Well, at least Flash made it out amirite? Though he dropped a game as well.
This has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Not everyone wanted Flash to come out of that particular group (really wanted Midas and action myself).
On April 09 2010 10:49 jpak wrote: The Koreans aren't very kind to Bisu either. One Korean said: "Walk the path of Savior." That sends chills down people's spines.
On April 09 2010 10:49 jpak wrote: The Koreans aren't very kind to Bisu either. One Korean said: "Walk the path of Savior." That sends chills down people's spines.
On April 09 2010 10:49 jpak wrote: The Koreans aren't very kind to Bisu either. One Korean said: "Walk the path of Savior." That sends chills down people's spines.
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