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Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
March 10 2010 06:27 GMT
#581
On March 10 2010 15:25 Slow Motion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2010 15:24 Weasel- wrote:
Wow RorO didn't even play badly, Jaedong just played that good. One of the most impressive ZvZ performances I've seen.

Roro made some really terrible decisions throughout that game.


Go on.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
March 10 2010 06:29 GMT
#582
Unbelievable
Mind still trying to comprehend how that was even possible
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
March 10 2010 06:29 GMT
#583
On March 10 2010 15:23 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2010 15:22 gunsharp wrote:
Can someone who understands ZvZ explain how Jaedong somehow ended up with 3x the mutas??

Roro sucks. that or he had bad saturation. or maybe jaedong just hacks. i dont think he actually had that many more mutas, just better upgrades and control, ie he focused better,


Roro's complacency + Jaedong's brilliance. Jaedong did what he does best, he made all the right decisions to try and scrape back his massive disadvantage to level ground, starting from the decision to bite his lip and spore up, to a risky hidden expo at 12, which he kept Roro from finding by constant harassment. When Roro hit +2 Jaedong could not have fought at a better place on the map. All in all the entire game is absolute magic, eventually he managed to out-gas his opponent

Roro missed several key timings and Jaedong used each of his 'lives' to its full advantage. It's quite preposterous Roro lost, thats one of the most uncanny comebacks I've ever seen.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
iIce
Profile Joined March 2010
China64 Posts
March 10 2010 06:31 GMT
#584
love the giant muta scramble. Jaedong won despite the disadvantage ^^
踏尽天涯非我愿,柔情御剑卧云端 ll <3
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
March 10 2010 06:31 GMT
#585
Wow, this feels so good after JD's recent disappointments. That epic comeback made me all warm and fuzzy inside :D
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-10 06:43:15
March 10 2010 06:32 GMT
#586
On March 10 2010 15:27 SplashbackFerret wrote:
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On March 10 2010 15:25 Nikon wrote:
On March 10 2010 15:23 blade55555 wrote:
On March 10 2010 15:22 gunsharp wrote:
Can someone who understands ZvZ explain how Jaedong somehow ended up with 3x the mutas??


I can actually tell you. If you notice Jaedong got a third hatchery by his main so he had 1 more hatch then roro the whole game. He also got his natural gas earlier, and got a third up and running earlier as well. Since he also had again 4 hatcheries to roro's 1 he was able to make more units faster .


Uh what, how does the fourth hatchery help, mutas are limited by gas, not by larva ?_?


It helped him catch up in muta count since he was mining gas long before his spire finally finished.


Unless he had 1000-2000 gas stockpiled, there's no way the third hatch would've made up for Roro's way earlier spire. You mine gas long before your spire is done in every ZvZ, but the stockpile runs out pretty quickly just because you get larva faster than you get gas.

Not to mention that Jaedong already had mutas out at that point.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-10 06:38:41
March 10 2010 06:34 GMT
#587
On March 10 2010 15:27 Gumbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2010 15:25 Slow Motion wrote:
On March 10 2010 15:24 Weasel- wrote:
Wow RorO didn't even play badly, Jaedong just played that good. One of the most impressive ZvZ performances I've seen.

Roro made some really terrible decisions throughout that game.


Go on.

Not scouting better with lings, letting jd get 3rd while even though he had more mutas, not having scourge in the first muta battle at jd's 3rd (which he probably could have won with a few scourge and better micro), when he had jd's mutas in retreat and split not attacking 3rd with combined mutas, instead splitting his own mutas

edit: not taking anything away from jd's brilliance in that game of course. 99% of zergs would have died to roro anyways in that position
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
March 10 2010 06:41 GMT
#588
I think that he didn't scout 12 partly do to JD running his lings everything, but you're right in that he should've kept tabs since he had map control. For the scourge thing, I don't see any zerg micro their mutas against scourge when they have giant muta fights for some reason.
Jaedong
Jaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States274 Posts
March 10 2010 06:43 GMT
#589
jeadong had less muta.that why he was running the whole time.
roro splitting up his muta cost him the game. jeadong with his better micro raped roro's splinted force
divide and conquer.
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
March 10 2010 06:44 GMT
#590
On March 10 2010 15:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I think that he didn't scout 12 partly do to JD running his lings everything, but you're right in that he should've kept tabs since he had map control. For the scourge thing, I don't see any zerg micro their mutas against scourge when they have giant muta fights for some reason.


Patrol microing with 2 or 3 groups at the same time is pretty hard.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
March 10 2010 06:45 GMT
#591
I don't think he expected JD to take 12 since he also saw JD try to take bott right. Then, JD takes 12 once Roro is distracted with the drone at bott right.

His mutas were also distracted with JD's ling movements too.
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OniX
Profile Joined July 2009
United States47 Posts
March 10 2010 06:50 GMT
#592
On March 10 2010 15:45 Harem wrote:
I don't think he expected JD to take 12 since he also saw JD try to take bott right. Then, JD takes 12 once Roro is distracted with the drone at bott right.

His mutas were also distracted with JD's ling movements too.

This is a good point. I do think that JD never intended to take that expo though, but used it more as a mind game. Roro should have sensed something and scouted 12 still because that bottom expo would be almost impossible for JD to defend.
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-10 06:58:06
March 10 2010 06:54 GMT
#593
On March 10 2010 15:34 Slow Motion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2010 15:27 Gumbo wrote:
On March 10 2010 15:25 Slow Motion wrote:
On March 10 2010 15:24 Weasel- wrote:
Wow RorO didn't even play badly, Jaedong just played that good. One of the most impressive ZvZ performances I've seen.

Roro made some really terrible decisions throughout that game.


Go on.

Not scouting better with lings, letting jd get 3rd while even though he had more mutas, not having scourge in the first muta battle at jd's 3rd (which he probably could have won with a few scourge and better micro), when he had jd's mutas in retreat and split not attacking 3rd with combined mutas, instead splitting his own mutas

edit: not taking anything away from jd's brilliance in that game of course. 99% of zergs would have died to roro anyways in that position


Well, JD was doing an amazing job distracting Roro with lings while getting his 3rd up. Roro did go for the third when JD retreated and split his mutas (not RIGHT after, but not so long after if I remember correctly, anyways I'll prolly watch that game again), but JD regrouped and got scourges a bit before Roro (he did get some scourges for that battle over JD's third) which gave him the advantage. So Roro didnt do any "terrible" decisions, yes he could have played better, but JD is just too good.

JD TOO GOOD
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
March 10 2010 07:01 GMT
#594
On March 10 2010 15:45 Harem wrote:
I don't think he expected JD to take 12 since he also saw JD try to take bott right. Then, JD takes 12 once Roro is distracted with the drone at bott right.

His mutas were also distracted with JD's ling movements too.


This. I thought it was absolutely brilliant - twice JD sent a drone to bottom right and let Roro kill it so Roro thought he was successfully denying JD a third base.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
March 10 2010 07:09 GMT
#595
FUCK YES JAEDONG
<3 <3 <3
Please never die to heavy ling ZvZ ever again
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
March 10 2010 07:10 GMT
#596
Nice, I've been waiting for JD to wake up and here it was. =)
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
March 10 2010 07:30 GMT
#597
lol just came from the KTvsSTX thread, looks like JD did his duty and killed some scrubs here... Shine, Roro, Baby... while in KTvsSTXland...

+ Show Spoiler +
flash just murdered STX's top line of Shuttle Kal Calm, with an epic game vs Kal. That thread is insane, go check out how many people have adopted the new religion called FLASH.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
March 10 2010 07:43 GMT
#598
On March 10 2010 16:30 Wings wrote:
lol just came from the KTvsSTX thread, looks like JD did his duty and killed some scrubs here... Shine, Roro, Baby... while in KTvsSTXland...

+ Show Spoiler +
flash just murdered STX's top line of Shuttle Kal Calm, with an epic game vs Kal. That thread is insane, go check out how many people have adopted the new religion called FLASH.


Flash can be a religion when he stops losing to jaedong kk
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
Withershins
Profile Joined December 2009
Vatican City State101 Posts
March 10 2010 07:46 GMT
#599
On March 10 2010 16:30 Wings wrote:
lol just came from the KTvsSTX thread, looks like JD did his duty and killed some scrubs here... Shine, Roro, Baby... while in KTvsSTXland...

+ Show Spoiler +
flash just murdered STX's top line of Shuttle Kal Calm, with an epic game vs Kal. That thread is insane, go check out how many people have adopted the new religion called FLASH.


Rabid Flash fans are the worst.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
March 10 2010 07:47 GMT
#600
On March 10 2010 16:43 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2010 16:30 Wings wrote:
lol just came from the KTvsSTX thread, looks like JD did his duty and killed some scrubs here... Shine, Roro, Baby... while in KTvsSTXland...

+ Show Spoiler +
flash just murdered STX's top line of Shuttle Kal Calm, with an epic game vs Kal. That thread is insane, go check out how many people have adopted the new religion called FLASH.


Flash can be a religion when he stops losing to jaedong kk

God can never lose to Satan. He merely tests our faith.
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