Even on a good day, Flash will have trouble getting through just one of JangBi, Stork and FBH. SKT took enough of his luck, so I expect him to win at most one game this time.
Minus Flash, the teams are fairly balanced IMHO. Violet has a decent chance against Stork in PvP (at least if he's in form), not to mention that KT has at least three capable ZvP players. If Flash doesn't get 2-3 high-caliber kills, it will be very even.
KT is a tough team to judge right now. Luxury, Stats, Violet, 815, and Forgg are oscillating between good and bad. So far they've been tending towards good (Flash has had a few matches off!). I see a similar sort of situation over at Khan with them tending towards good lately. Flash has a tough road to an all-kill and I think it is unlikely (though I would have said the same against SKT too!) but I do think that he'll get 2 kills tonight which will put KT in a good position.
On February 23 2010 03:35 Holgerius wrote: Man, SKT vs OZ or KT vs Samsung?
skt vs oz starts off with a canata tvt. lets hope the timing will be so that the games themselves dont overlap.
If Flash plays right, he could finish the set before Canata finishes his first game.
On February 23 2010 05:07 revy wrote: KT is a tough team to judge right now. Luxury, Stats, Violet, 815, and Forgg are oscillating between good and bad. So far they've been tending towards good (Flash has had a few matches off!). I see a similar sort of situation over at Khan with them tending towards good lately. Flash has a tough road to an all-kill and I think it is unlikely (though I would have said the same against SKT too!) but I do think that he'll get 2 kills tonight which will put KT in a good position.
The thing that makes me think an all-kill is likely is the matchups. Khan and SKT are very similar teams in terms of makeup -- strongly dependent on their Protoss aces, with unpredictable Terrans and Zergs that fluctuate between fairly good and downright terrible. Flash's practice against SKT will certainly be at least somewhat applicable to his games tonight (though, given the fact that Flash v FBH games are always great TvTs, there is a possibility for an upset there).
I am SO pumped for this series. I think it all depends on which Jangbi comes out to play. Jangbi's the true wild card in this series with the potential to beat everyone KT can field. Unfortunately, Jangbi has not shown that mastery in quite a long while... So, we'll see. I think if he beats Flash he'll be riding such a huge wave of momentum, JB could very well all-kill KT.
If one of the Twin Towers fall though, well then Samsung is in big trouble. They don't have a reliable sniper for Violet. If Samsung somehow makes it past Flash and Violet though, I think Stork can easily bring it home.
Guys don't you feel that EVERY rivalry with Stork is entertaining? Like Flash vs Jaedong never really caught on, Jaedong vs Bisu was good but never really have a deciding final showdown. But Stork vs Flash, Stork vs Jaedong, Stork vs Bisu and to a less extent Stork vs Kwanro (lol) all contains some of the epic games!
On February 23 2010 05:05 okum wrote: Even on a good day, Flash will have trouble getting through just one of JangBi, Stork and FBH. SKT took enough of his luck, so I expect him to win at most one game this time.
Minus Flash, the teams are fairly balanced IMHO. Violet has a decent chance against Stork in PvP (at least if he's in form), not to mention that KT has at least three capable ZvP players. If Flash doesn't get 2-3 high-caliber kills, it will be very even.
Actually the teams are pretty balanced. Yes, it will come down to how many players Flash can beat but if he doesn't at least beats 2 I don't see KT winning this. Besides Flash, Stork really only has Violet against him and he is still easily the favorite there.
= = Why did they have to put these 2 matches on the same day?? But as a rabid KT fan I'll probably watch this. praying for FLASH ALL KILL and BISU ALL KILL!!
On February 23 2010 12:08 MarineHeroSamKhan wrote: JangBi<Flash FBH>Flash FBH>Luxury FBH<Violet Stork>Violet Stork>HoeJJA Stork>ForGG
Khan wins 5 games?
They are just THAT good.
It probably won't happen given that his first opponent is Flash, but I really want Jangbi playing well again. I absolutely love his aggressive play in contrast with Stork's management style. When he's on, his mult-pronged attacks are a joy to watch.
On February 23 2010 12:08 MarineHeroSamKhan wrote: JangBi<Flash FBH>Flash FBH>Luxury FBH<Violet Stork>Violet Stork>HoeJJA Stork>ForGG
Khan wins 5 games?
They are just THAT good.
It probably won't happen given that his first opponent is Flash, but I really want Jangbi playing well again. I absolutely love his aggressive play in contrast with Stork's management style. When he's on, his mult-pronged attacks are a joy to watch.
Jangbi always plays the straight macro game v Flash. Rarely does those cheesy abusive econ builds that BeSt, Bisu and Stork seem to go for. Hoping its an interesting game
If Flash takes down JangBi (which isn't a sure thing depending on which JangBi shows up) his hands will be warmed up meaning FBH won't be a match, the only real threat is going to be Stork.
Sad to see so many KT haters in the polls, but I suppose that's what comes with being nigh unstoppable.
On February 23 2010 17:53 Heimatloser wrote: if flash wins first game, kt will win. violet snipes fbh in set 3 815 snipes great in set 5 stats snipes stork in set 7
or ofc the allkill happens.
if flash doesnt win, i hope for a miracle
I think KT stands a chance if Flash loses the first match. Stork obviously being the big potential problem, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone (Violet cough) is training for the snipe.
On February 23 2010 17:25 HopLight wrote: If Flash takes down JangBi (which isn't a sure thing depending on which JangBi shows up) his hands will be warmed up meaning FBH won't be a match, the only real threat is going to be Stork.
Sad to see so many KT haters in the polls, but I suppose that's what comes with being nigh unstoppable.
Ugh so you automatically assume that people are KT haters just because they root for KHAN?
Of course, I live in China so this is a very stable stream. Not sure how it is where you live. It does tend to be a bit delayed compared to most streams.
Jangbi stayed on two bases, prepared for the timing push...still didn't matter.
He needed to be out and engage flash's push from farther away than the wide bridge, but flash hit just as the first obs came out, so Jangbi couldn't be sure that he wouldn't run into mines. SUCH GOOD TIMING
I really really like this funky "Super" FD Flash does. The bunker and the turret wall off just perfectly at the choke for the tanks to snipe the nexus is just such a perfectly subtle touch.
Even as a Flash fan, I almost wish FBH wins this one. He deserves it (after coming close so many times), and there will probably be an awesome ceremony. Not to mention the potential for further ceremonies as FBH all-kills KT
On February 23 2010 18:25 Plexa wrote: Protoss definitely needs reavers to fend off that timing push D: No way dragoons can take down that many marine
What if Jangbi had gotten 2-3 zealots instead of 2-3 goons?
Without speed they will be eaten by vult/rine
Stork used to play the build that would counter that push. That 2base reaver shit around the time katrina was popular and python was a proleague map. Flash countered that with fast goliaths though lol
On February 23 2010 18:25 Plexa wrote: Protoss definitely needs reavers to fend off that timing push D: No way dragoons can take down that many marine
What if Jangbi had gotten 2-3 zealots instead of 2-3 goons?
Probably would have gone better, but remember that Jangbi sniped a tank just as the push was setting up. That wouldn't have happened had he fewer goons.
FBH able to clear out those mines and take his natural.... Unfortunately, I'm not exactly sure how well he's faring now. Looks liek relatively equal expo timings.
WTF is this shit, the wqhole game I thought FlaSh was green? They fucked it up in the beginning, when they show the CC and then the player of that CC....
THAT IS A LOT OF TANKS. Flash pushing toward FBH from the top of the map. Ow spider mines take out a lot of those tanks, but FBH loses a lot of forces too. Flash's vultures just taking out SCVs at another of FBH's expos.
FBH sers why do you play like an epic chobo as soon as you have a lead? Man, get control of your mental state -_-. It's such a pain to see you totally fail because you mentally fall apart due to having a LEAD.
GG, FBH very disappointed, so very disappointed, just sitting in his booth wondering what he did wrong, that's what happens when you come against the monster that is Flash. I feel sorry for FBH T_T
On February 23 2010 18:44 HopLight wrote: Bloody hell, FBH has this. FLash needs some serious godlyness to come back.
On February 23 2010 18:50 TwoToneTerran wrote: I don't even know what FBH did wrong, Jesus Flash.
Nah
-Triple expanding when you contained your opponent and stopped 2 of his bases¿ -Losing a full base to 2 vultures. -Expanding to the middle (when you cant defend it) -Macro.
In the middle, it seemed like FBH did not macro very well for the number of bases he had... or some how flash macrod amazingly for how few bases he had
"Roffles mod: FUCK Roffles mod: FUCK Roffles mod: WTF FBH ZnocK mod: lol Roffles mod: YOU COULDA DANCED ALL NIGHT LONG Roffles mod: JUST MAKE SOME FUCKING TANKS"
I feel this.
Meh. Standard flash v fbh... fbh gets advantage... fbh gets beaten in epic come back.
Losing a game like that to flash has to be the most soulcrushing thing ever... if flash's play weren't so sick I would almost feel bad for fbh, but he even played well. Flash just raped him.
The tripple expansions make my head hurt. Flash was out - all FBH had to do was create tanks and SCVs, but instead he opted to expand and get owned by vultures. Jesus . . . Its more FBH not playing properly then "OMGZ Flash is godmode imba!"
I don't think FBH needed to triple-expand back in the game. He was basically containing Flash on 2 bases, while he was already on 3 mining bases. Just one more expansion would have put him way ahead in economy. He should have just kept pumping units to tighten the puss... i mean barrier and the game could have been his.
Poor decision making.
I'm not even half surprised that Flash managed to make such comeback. He's THAT good.
I love me some Flash, but not sure he deserved that win.
It seems like every time he loses a TvT it's because he waits so damn long to make dropships. Heck, a lot of FBH's early advantage was due to using a single dropship. A win is a win, but had his opponent not made so many tactical errors after the early lead it seems Flash could easily have been taken out here.
wtf, the replay just show's flash's tanks roll over fbh's top mid expo like it was nothing, and 2 vulture demolises 10 scv on 3' like it was free. was fbh this bad?
I don't see why everyone is so surprised or amazed with flash winning that game, FBH built 3 CCs and had only started mining from them and had barely killed any of Flashes SCVs. FBH got greedy and Flash punished him for it. Sup?
On February 23 2010 19:08 lb wrote: I don't see why everyone is so surprised or amazed with flash winning that game, FBH built 3 CCs and had only started mining from them and had barely killed any of Flashes SCVs. FBH got greedy and Flash punished him for it. Sup?
We all know triple expanding was stupid, we all know flash had a chance, but its amazing cause he was only mining in his main and another expo and still somehow managed to win this game. Though fbh just failed T_T
On February 23 2010 19:08 lb wrote: I don't see why everyone is so surprised or amazed with flash winning that game, FBH built 3 CCs and had only started mining from them and had barely killed any of Flashes SCVs. FBH got greedy and Flash punished him for it. Sup?
Did you really just say "Sup?" at the end of your post?
On February 23 2010 19:08 lb wrote: I don't see why everyone is so surprised or amazed with flash winning that game, FBH built 3 CCs and had only started mining from them and had barely killed any of Flashes SCVs. FBH got greedy and Flash punished him for it. Sup?
Did you really just say "Sup?" at the end of your post?
Did you really just make a completely useless post?
On February 23 2010 19:08 lb wrote: I don't see why everyone is so surprised or amazed with flash winning that game, FBH built 3 CCs and had only started mining from them and had barely killed any of Flashes SCVs. FBH got greedy and Flash punished him for it. Sup?
Did you really just say "Sup?" at the end of your post?
Did you really just make a completely useless post?
Yes, I did. But at least I didn't say sup at the end of it.
Flash expoing to 10:45, but Stork's attacking there. Flash probably going to lose the expo... Flash lifts. LOL Flash's vultures take out a warping nexus... Stork forgot to cancel.
On February 23 2010 19:39 Baddieko wrote: seems like everyone getting mind fucked by flash. Overextending and double templar tech, i saw alot of amateur play.
On February 23 2010 19:39 Baddieko wrote: seems like everyone getting mind fucked by flash. Overextending and double templar tech, i saw alot of amateur play.
At least stork did better than jangbi, best, bisu did. T_T
On February 23 2010 19:42 Masheyoon wrote: Lawl @ at moaning and biznitching seen by MrHoon because people want to see one of the greatest players of all time play (Flash).
On February 23 2010 19:42 Masheyoon wrote: Lawl @ at moaning and biznitching seen by MrHoon because people want to see one of the greatest players of all time play (Flash).
Real mature.
lol @ this post
you clearly don't know mrhoon
Weren't they originally streaming the Khan vs KT match-up? If not, my bad.
On February 23 2010 19:39 Baddieko wrote: seems like everyone getting mind fucked by flash. Overextending and double templar tech, i saw alot of amateur play.
At least stork did better than jangbi, best, bisu did. T_T
lol, FBH always play 1 base less-units first in TvT, surprisingly...
On February 23 2010 19:55 MuffinDude wrote: GG FUCK YES I BELIEVED IN U AND U DELIEVERED NOW I DON"T HAVE TO BE A FLASH FAN! FUCK YES FUCK YES OMG I LOVE U M18M
Eh, would have been awesome to see an all kill but honestly there is no chance for RAK so I'm definitely not feeling as bad. Get it watch someone like Hoejja finish the game probably
On February 23 2010 19:56 TheYango wrote: Wow, that was the most abusive game I have ever seen.
Now why didn't Khan run that build on their two earlier Protosses? They have better micro, and it would have saved them some losses.
maps
fighting spirit's nats are way too close for a successful 12 nexus to be pulled off on vertical/horizontal positions. Stork probably wanted to place his bet on the DT rush. Unfortunately, cross positions lol.
On February 23 2010 19:57 scwizard wrote: Double nexus->20 dts->pylon wall ins->hidden expo
IdrA is probably raging so hard right now.
Hey, Flash himself has said that "Protoss has the advantage against Terran." Though I think this game took it to a new level =.= At least he didn't gas steal.
On February 23 2010 19:57 scwizard wrote: Double nexus->20 dts->pylon wall ins->hidden expo
IdrA is probably raging so hard right now.
Hey, Flash himself has said that "Protoss has the advantage against Terran." Though I think this game took it to a new level =.= At least he didn't gas steal.
there's no new level. it's just another protoss going 12 nexus into dt's
On February 23 2010 19:57 scwizard wrote: Double nexus->20 dts->pylon wall ins->hidden expo
IdrA is probably raging so hard right now.
Hey, Flash himself has said that "Protoss has the advantage against Terran." Though I think this game took it to a new level =.= He didn't even gas steal.
On February 23 2010 19:57 scwizard wrote: Double nexus->20 dts->pylon wall ins->hidden expo
IdrA is probably raging so hard right now.
Hey, Flash himself has said that "Protoss has the advantage against Terran." Though I think this game took it to a new level =.= At least he didn't gas steal.
there's no new level. it's just another protoss going 12 nexus into dt's
Not every toss can beat flash doing that though.
You need to micro well, sniping mines with dts etc.
Cool strat by protoss. I like these agrressives builds in PvT. I think that using terran's weakness in early game is an critical part of this match up.
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote: Lol complaining about DT's.
Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.
So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.
True true, bunker rushes are hard to stop even if you know its coming as long as you do a 12-hatch. 12 nexus can be stopped relatively easily if a person knows its coming.
why complain about DTs? flash couldve played safe against this and stayed in base with turrets and he wouldnt have had problems. he didnt get the scout fully in and didnt know what tech M18M went for. going for a push was risky and he lucked out this time...
granted... if flash had stayed in base, protoss couldve expanded more, but such is life when the opponent can get away with a nexus before gateway
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote: Lol complaining about DT's.
Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.
So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.
True true, bunker rushes are hard to stop even if you know its coming as long as you do a 12-hatch. 12 nexus can be stopped relatively easily if a person knows its coming.
if you think 12 nexus is easier to stop than a 12 hatch you're retarded.
Very good game from M18M I must say, abused the map well and baller strategies. Scout deny was part luck, but well, luck favours the brave. Good on the rookie. Objectively looking at this though, Khan will still lose.
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote: Lol complaining about DT's.
Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.
So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.
True true, bunker rushes are hard to stop even if you know its coming as long as you do a 12-hatch. 12 nexus can be stopped relatively easily if a person knows its coming.
if you think 12 nexus is easier to stop than a 12 hatch you're fucking retarded.
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote: Lol complaining about DT's.
Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.
So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.
True true, bunker rushes are hard to stop even if you know its coming as long as you do a 12-hatch. 12 nexus can be stopped relatively easily if a person knows its coming.
if you think 12 nexus is easier to stop than a 12 hatch you're fucking retarded.
Lol. I guess you're the retarded one since I wrote stopping bunker rush after 12 hatch is much harder than stopping 12 nexus given u scouted early enough.
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote: Lol complaining about DT's.
Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.
So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.
True true, bunker rushes are hard to stop even if you know its coming as long as you do a 12-hatch. 12 nexus can be stopped relatively easily if a person knows its coming.
if you think 12 nexus is easier to stop than a 12 hatch you're fucking retarded.
Lol. I guess you're the retarded one since I wrote stopping bunker rush after 12 hatch is much harder than stopping 12 nexus given u scouted early enough.
completely different situation and you can't even compare the two because when you bunker rush a 12 nexus you have vultures coming out. sorry
Flash is so good people have to resort to this kind of luckbased strategies to take a single game off him. Keeping his Elo around 2400 for quite some time now. He's insane, that game vs stork was so amazing from flash.
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote: Lol complaining about DT's.
Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.
So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.
True true, bunker rushes are hard to stop even if you know its coming as long as you do a 12-hatch. 12 nexus can be stopped relatively easily if a person knows its coming.
if you think 12 nexus is easier to stop than a 12 hatch you're fucking retarded.
Lol. I guess you're the retarded one since I wrote stopping bunker rush after 12 hatch is much harder than stopping 12 nexus given u scouted early enough.
completely different situation and you can't even compare the two because when you bunker rush a 12 nexus you have vultures coming out. sorry
On February 23 2010 20:09 EniraM(CA) wrote: wtf was the point of that.... what now you scrub? getting rolled by hojjea/815/firefist/luxury/forGG/Violet/Stats
On February 23 2010 20:09 EniraM(CA) wrote: wtf was the point of that.... what now you scrub? getting rolled by hojjea/815/firefist/luxury/forGG/Violet/Stats
Relax its just building experience, noone is expecting a newbie to get a reverse all kill, its just helping him build confidence and experience, which he already has by beating Flash. + he was their best shot at beating Flash and preventing an all kill
On February 23 2010 20:09 EniraM(CA) wrote: wtf was the point of that.... what now you scrub? getting rolled by hojjea/815/firefist/luxury/forGG/Violet/Stats
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
It's too bad Flash lost but as usual I think it's a good thing
Nothing wrong with Flash losing a game here and there to keep him honest - until the big leagues return I don't really care that much especially since the team is winning anyway.
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
So, how legit do you find Luxury? Horang2?
I actually have no problem with what he did, but I want to see if your logic is continuous.
Uh... If luxury or horang2 beats someone, for example stork, with some gay build, even if I bitch about it, does it change the fact that they beat stork?
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
I'm just replying to all his bitching.
On February 23 2010 20:30 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:27 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:23 konadora wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
It doesn't. The better team won.
Sure. Kk. I didn't expect khan to win in the first place anyway, but I think M18M beat flash is bigger news than kt beat khan.
Yes idd, I can already see tomorrow's newspaper's headlines!
Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
So, how legit do you find Luxury? Horang2?
I actually have no problem with what he did, but I want to see if your logic is continuous.
Uh... If luxury or horang2 beats someone, for example stork, with some gay build, even if I bitch about it, does it change the fact that they beat stork?
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
I'm just replying to all his bitching.
On February 23 2010 20:30 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:27 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:23 konadora wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
It doesn't. The better team won.
Sure. Kk. I didn't expect khan to win in the first place anyway, but I think M18M beat flash is bigger news than kt beat khan.
Yes idd, I can already see tomorrow's newspaper's headlines!
Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
On February 23 2010 20:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: Nope, but it does change the context, which is what people are complaining about, and what you are responding to.
I'm just stating a blatant fact. You're making this harder than it needs to be.
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
So, how legit do you find Luxury? Horang2?
I actually have no problem with what he did, but I want to see if your logic is continuous.
Uh... If luxury or horang2 beats someone, for example stork, with some gay build, even if I bitch about it, does it change the fact that they beat stork?
On February 23 2010 20:34 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:31 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
I'm just replying to all his bitching.
On February 23 2010 20:30 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:27 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:23 konadora wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
It doesn't. The better team won.
Sure. Kk. I didn't expect khan to win in the first place anyway, but I think M18M beat flash is bigger news than kt beat khan.
Yes idd, I can already see tomorrow's newspaper's headlines!
Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
He sure did, that crazy fellow!
Yep, he did what stork, jangbi, bisu, best couldn't do =D
On February 23 2010 20:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: Nope, but it does change the context, which is what people are complaining about, and what you are responding to.
I'm just stating a blatant fact. You're making this harder than it needs to be.
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
So, how legit do you find Luxury? Horang2?
I actually have no problem with what he did, but I want to see if your logic is continuous.
Uh... If luxury or horang2 beats someone, for example stork, with some gay build, even if I bitch about it, does it change the fact that they beat stork?
On February 23 2010 20:34 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:31 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
I'm just replying to all his bitching.
On February 23 2010 20:30 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:27 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:23 konadora wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
It doesn't. The better team won.
Sure. Kk. I didn't expect khan to win in the first place anyway, but I think M18M beat flash is bigger news than kt beat khan.
Yes idd, I can already see tomorrow's newspaper's headlines!
Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
He sure did, that crazy fellow!
Yep, he did what stork, jangbi, bisu, best couldn't do =D
Those noobs! pfft To think they tried outplaying Flash, ha!
On February 23 2010 20:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: Nope, but it does change the context, which is what people are complaining about, and what you are responding to.
I'm just stating a blatant fact. You're making this harder than it needs to be.
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
So, how legit do you find Luxury? Horang2?
I actually have no problem with what he did, but I want to see if your logic is continuous.
Uh... If luxury or horang2 beats someone, for example stork, with some gay build, even if I bitch about it, does it change the fact that they beat stork?
On February 23 2010 20:34 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:31 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
I'm just replying to all his bitching.
On February 23 2010 20:30 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:27 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:23 konadora wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
It doesn't. The better team won.
Sure. Kk. I didn't expect khan to win in the first place anyway, but I think M18M beat flash is bigger news than kt beat khan.
Yes idd, I can already see tomorrow's newspaper's headlines!
Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
He sure did, that crazy fellow!
Yep, he did what stork, jangbi, bisu, best couldn't do =D
You're stating a blatant fact in the face of someone complaining about it being "abusive gay shit." When you yourself complain about abusive gay shit if it beats, for example, Stork. You're acting holier than thou to his irritated attitude and the hypocrisy is pungent.
No one said "M18M didn't win," They said he won with gay shit. And you're intentionally inciting them by pointing out the obvious. It's as pedantic and childlike as the complaining itself.
THB that loss against M18M stings much more than if he had lost in the game against Stork for instance. It was so close to a historical all-kill streak and ELO record, and it gets ruined by extreme Protoss gayness (M18M did of course deserve his win, he did a good job with a very abusive build and got a little lucky, but let me put it like this; if they played a rematch M18M would cry himself to sleep tonight). I should be happy as a Flash fan because he got 3 kills vs good players, but I have a very bitter taste in my mouth after this. =/
It's just a loss. He didn't have enough scouting information, risked it and went for that push that he does. If he would have opted for dropship play, he would have raped M18M. But he didn't. He lost.
On February 23 2010 20:40 Holgerius wrote: THB that loss against M18M stings much more than if he had lost in the game against Stork for instance. It was so close to a historical all-kill streak and ELO record, and it gets ruined by extreme Protoss gayness (M18M did of course deserve his win, he did a good job with a very abusive build and got a little lucky, but let me put it like this; if they played a rematch M18M would cry himself to sleep tonight). I should be happy as a Flash fan because he got 3 kills vs good players, but I have a very bitter taste in my mouth after this. =/
On February 23 2010 20:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: Nope, but it does change the context, which is what people are complaining about, and what you are responding to.
I'm just stating a blatant fact. You're making this harder than it needs to be.
On February 23 2010 20:37 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:35 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:27 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:23 konadora wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:22 fallingdream wrote: oh look, he got rolled, I'm so shocked.
keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
So, how legit do you find Luxury? Horang2?
I actually have no problem with what he did, but I want to see if your logic is continuous.
Uh... If luxury or horang2 beats someone, for example stork, with some gay build, even if I bitch about it, does it change the fact that they beat stork?
On February 23 2010 20:34 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:31 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:30 StylishVODs wrote: MuffinDude, for you maybe it doesn't matter how a player beat another player but you have to understand that for some people it does.
I'm just replying to all his bitching.
On February 23 2010 20:30 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:27 fallingdream wrote:
On February 23 2010 20:23 konadora wrote: [quote] keep sarcastic and degrading posts out, give credit where it's due.
I'll give him credit for doing abuse gay protoss shit, sure thing.
Go on. Does it change the fact that he beat flash?
It doesn't. The better team won.
Sure. Kk. I didn't expect khan to win in the first place anyway, but I think M18M beat flash is bigger news than kt beat khan.
Yes idd, I can already see tomorrow's newspaper's headlines!
Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
He sure did, that crazy fellow!
Yep, he did what stork, jangbi, bisu, best couldn't do =D
You're stating a blatant fact in the face of someone complaining about it being "abusive gay shit." When you yourself complain about abusive gay shit if it beats, for example, Stork. You're acting holier than thou to his irritated attitude and the hypocrisy is pungent.
No one said "M18M didn't win," They said he won with gay shit. And you're intentionally inciting them by pointing out the obvious. It's as pedantic and childlike as the complaining itself.
Oh so I couldn't clarify some things? Because to me it sounded like he was in disbelief and was unwilling to believe that flash lost? All I did was point out the obvious which to you is "being pedantic and childlike." Man, how many "pedantic and childlike" people have you met?
Oh btw, the tone that I wanted to say "So, does it change to fact that m18m won?" was with indifference.
Woosh, right over your head. Either you're really dense about what you're doing or just trolling me. Hopefully it's the second because even I'd get a laugh.
Stating the obvious serves no practical purpose. No one said M18M didn't win. No one even said Flash should've won, they were just upset in how the win was earned. This is a common complaint. In response to this, you "State the obvious," and there's no possible way you did it innocently, so you were intentionally doing it to incite those who were upset with the match. And this only further proves the intent:
On February 23 2010 20:35 MuffinDude wrote: Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
This is classic trolling, and I fear I'm falling prey to the elusive counter-counter troll.
On February 23 2010 20:55 TwoToneTerran wrote: Woosh, right over your head. Either you're really dense about what you're doing or just trolling me. Hopefully it's the second because even I'd get a laugh.
Stating the obvious serves no practical purpose. No one said M18M didn't win. No one even said Flash should've won, they were just upset in how the win was earned. This is a common complaint. In response to this, you "State the obvious," and there's no possible way you did it innocently, so you were intentionally doing it to incite those who were upset with the match. And this only further proves the intent:
On February 23 2010 20:35 MuffinDude wrote: Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
This is classic trolling, and I fear I'm falling prey to the elusive counter-counter troll.
I see what your saying, but seriously calm down. If you get this worked up when you see someone state the obvious, then I don't even want to know what you do to others when do dumber stuff. To you, it might sound like I was rubbing it in his face, but to me it was a way of telling him to shut up, results won't change.
On February 23 2010 20:27 StylishVODs wrote: Take that cheeser.
ruining flash's epic back to back all-kill and chance to break his ELO with that skill-less dicethrow. grrrrrrrrrr
That's not very fair. Sure I'm upset at the lack of back to back (particularly after winning the difficult 3) but it was an inventive and well executed build. His micro was spot on and his decision for a timing attack at the end there was perfect.
On February 23 2010 20:55 TwoToneTerran wrote: Woosh, right over your head. Either you're really dense about what you're doing or just trolling me. Hopefully it's the second because even I'd get a laugh.
Stating the obvious serves no practical purpose. No one said M18M didn't win. No one even said Flash should've won, they were just upset in how the win was earned. This is a common complaint. In response to this, you "State the obvious," and there's no possible way you did it innocently, so you were intentionally doing it to incite those who were upset with the match. And this only further proves the intent:
On February 23 2010 20:35 MuffinDude wrote: Nah. Its just for the times when people go, "OMG, M18M is playing really, he has no chance!" And I'll just go, "He raped flash =D"
This is classic trolling, and I fear I'm falling prey to the elusive counter-counter troll.
I see what your saying, but seriously calm down. If you get this worked up when you see someone state the obvious, then I don't even want to know what you do to others when do dumber stuff. To you, it might sound like I was rubbing it in his face, but to me it was a way of telling him to shut up, results won't change.
Also, with things as they are this month, Flash is about to pull ahead of Jaedong for March Kespa rank. It'll be nice to see him on top of all 3 (elo, PR, Kespa) for once, since these were the last two matches they could could participate in before March. Woooot.
This is becoming so customary now, especially winners league. Protoss abusing PvT with gay luck based builds then getting rolled over by Zergs (Seriously M18..80% PvT 26% PvZ wtf). Zergs abusing Protoss with hydra spam and muta snipe and getting rolled over by Terrans. Terrans raping Zergs and getting rolled over by Protoss X_X. Hopefully SC2 will have a more direct balance system (AKA all races equal against each other, no strong / weak MU shit).
Either way great job by Flash. Taking 3 games of Janbi Stork and FBH is pretty fucking impressive.
Any1 think we're gonna be seeing this 12 Nex --> early DT thing a lot more now or is it just like every other cheese: scout and you're fine, don't scout and ur fucked.
On February 23 2010 21:25 purpose wrote: M18M did what he could vs the best player in sc atm. I think it was great that Flash lost his AK to a lame gay as protoss.
I mean Flash himself has won his share of games by being lame with his gayfaction and abusing terran maps.
This. You wouldn't see any of these bigoted flash fanboys complaining if it was Flash that had successfully pulled off a 'gay strat'; instead they would be cooing about how Flash has such wonderful variety in his play. I swear Flash fanboys are the most unreasonable kind I've seen around here in a long time.
On February 23 2010 21:25 purpose wrote: M18M did what he could vs the best player in sc atm. I think it was great that Flash lost his AK to a lame gay as protoss.
I mean Flash himself has won his share of games by being lame with his gayfaction and abusing terran maps.
This. You wouldn't see any of these bigoted flash fanboys complaining if it was Flash that had successfully pulled off a 'gay strat'; instead they would be cooing about how Flash has such wonderful variety in his play. I swear Flash fanboys are the most unreasonable kind I've seen around here in a long time.
What gay strats can he really do in TvP? Bunker rush? Thats just a "standard"ish response to 12 nex. The only "cheese" are really creative timing pushes with obscure tank / marine / vulture compositions. Even if theyre cheese they'd have to be well thought out. What makes this gay is that all you do is build a nexus on 12, hope you get lucky the opponent scouts the wrong way, and tech to DTs. Honestly its barely a cheese cause DTs give you map control even if they fail and your eco is skyrocketing from 12 nex
On February 23 2010 21:25 purpose wrote: M18M did what he could vs the best player in sc atm. I think it was great that Flash lost his AK to a lame gay as protoss.
I mean Flash himself has won his share of games by being lame with his gayfaction and abusing terran maps.
This. You wouldn't see any of these bigoted flash fanboys complaining if it was Flash that had successfully pulled off a 'gay strat'; instead they would be cooing about how Flash has such wonderful variety in his play. I swear Flash fanboys are the most unreasonable kind I've seen around here in a long time.
The thing that I reacted on is that they sent a guy who could only defeat Flash with an abusive build if he was lucky.
If they sent him earlier, its fine because they have stork who can all-kill and give them the win. In this case, they didn't have any other plans than to beat flash. Thats why I felt it was sad.
If flash was sent out and abused a win for his team, it's different because we know he has the skills to back it up and possibly take down the remaining players to secure the win for his team.
If they had planned that m18m would take out flash, why didn't they send him out earlier? this was just bad.
Flash's rivals couldn't play to their true level. It always happens when a player is on form and luck is on his side just like jd(2009),bisu(2008) and stork(2007) was in the past. Probs to flash though, he didnt gave up since last year over unlucky period and now it is evening up. He is taking 3rd expo very easily nowadays and getting away unscathed, today showed he can be beaten not only by M18M but fbh and stork can possibly win if not for very horrendous mistakes. Soon everyone will see jd,bisu,stork fight back and get their periods back etc..
Its normal for the kind of invincible aura to happen for S class players, so Flash fans be happy while u can. When his turn to slump, don't complain.
Flash and Jaedong has reached another level of S class players as far as im concerned. Can't really compare, but sure players come and go if thats what you mean. Some of them stays on the top much longer than others.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
Fanboys are always the same lol. Flash,jd and bisu are best abusers of their race ever which fanboys don't seem to realise, thats why they are the best players for their respective race.
When each of them lose to a strategy game rather than macro, their fanboys will complain about cheese "Uggghh wtf abuser on this map". Irony is they abuse the most.
Of course it was a neat game by M18M; all due credit. I don't know about other Flash fans, but when I chime in with the "protoss used the gays" chant, I do it in good fun. That Flash loses to M18M after destroying Khan's top three players is closer to amusing than disappointing.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
Nope, SuperArc still worse than everybody else combined.
On February 23 2010 21:25 purpose wrote: M18M did what he could vs the best player in sc atm. I think it was great that Flash lost his AK to a lame gay as protoss.
I mean Flash himself has won his share of games by being lame with his gayfaction and abusing terran maps.
This. You wouldn't see any of these bigoted flash fanboys complaining if it was Flash that had successfully pulled off a 'gay strat'; instead they would be cooing about how Flash has such wonderful variety in his play. I swear Flash fanboys are the most unreasonable kind I've seen around here in a long time.
What gay strats can he really do in TvP? Bunker rush? Thats just a "standard"ish response to 12 nex. The only "cheese" are really creative timing pushes with obscure tank / marine / vulture compositions. Even if theyre cheese they'd have to be well thought out. What makes this gay is that all you do is build a nexus on 12, hope you get lucky the opponent scouts the wrong way, and tech to DTs. Honestly its barely a cheese cause DTs give you map control even if they fail and your eco is skyrocketing from 12 nex
Yea poor Terran, they just dont have any gay strats to pull off vs protoss. Every Terran win is the result of master play and super duper micro and skill.
On February 23 2010 21:25 purpose wrote: M18M did what he could vs the best player in sc atm. I think it was great that Flash lost his AK to a lame gay as protoss.
I mean Flash himself has won his share of games by being lame with his gayfaction and abusing terran maps.
This. You wouldn't see any of these bigoted flash fanboys complaining if it was Flash that had successfully pulled off a 'gay strat'; instead they would be cooing about how Flash has such wonderful variety in his play. I swear Flash fanboys are the most unreasonable kind I've seen around here in a long time.
What gay strats can he really do in TvP? Bunker rush? Thats just a "standard"ish response to 12 nex. The only "cheese" are really creative timing pushes with obscure tank / marine / vulture compositions. Even if theyre cheese they'd have to be well thought out. What makes this gay is that all you do is build a nexus on 12, hope you get lucky the opponent scouts the wrong way, and tech to DTs. Honestly its barely a cheese cause DTs give you map control even if they fail and your eco is skyrocketing from 12 nex
Yea poor Terran, they just dont have any gay strats to pull off vs protoss. Every Terran win is the result of master play and super duper micro and skill.
Jeez.
Terran can throw in good cheese and yet are most cost effective in split maps against Z & P, and in many aspects of game. The way they turtle, knowing in the end they'll at least get a draw and win when opponent decide to throw units away. When the race created for defense abuse defense and got outsmart sometimes fans complain of abuse. LOL.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.
We're all insufferable, get over yourself.
The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.
For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.
Not really the same situation and I'm not much of a terran fanboy. Flash is my favorite CURRENT player and pretty much the only terran I'm a big fan of. :o
edit- well that and ForGG but that's more for hilarity than awe inspiring.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.
We're all insufferable, get over yourself.
The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.
For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.
The difference is that Nony agreed to the loss because he said he was out of the game. Flash said he was still in it. Seems logical to go based off what the players themselves think no?
On February 23 2010 23:05 Baddieko wrote: Flash's rivals couldn't play to their true level. It always happens when a player is on form and luck is on his side just like jd(2009),bisu(2008) and stork(2007) was in the past. Probs to flash though, he didnt gave up since last year over unlucky period and now it is evening up. He is taking 3rd expo very easily nowadays and getting away unscathed, today showed he can be beaten not only by M18M but fbh and stork can possibly win if not for very horrendous mistakes. Soon everyone will see jd,bisu,stork fight back and get their periods back etc..
Its normal for the kind of invincible aura to happen for S class players, so Flash fans be happy while u can. When his turn to slump, don't complain.
That's weird, I thought Bisu was already in his period. Anyways, I just wanted to point out that Flash and JD never really had a slump and I wouldn't expect Flash to lose his dominance any time soon.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.
We're all insufferable, get over yourself.
The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.
For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.
Rofl you are such an idiot. First of all not all Terrans are the same, secondly by far not all terrans are Idra fans (honestly how can anybody be dumb enough to think that) and third of all JD vs Flash and Idra vs Nony has absolutely NOTHING to do with each other.
On February 23 2010 23:32 okum wrote: Of course it was a neat game by M18M; all due credit. I don't know about other Flash fans, but when I chime in with the "protoss used the gays" chant, I do it in good fun. That Flash loses to M18M after destroying Khan's top three players is closer to amusing than disappointing.
It is incredibely disappointing in my eyes. I value statistics (winning %, cool streaks, ELO and stuff like that) very highly, and to get Flash's epic all-kill streak and ELO peak ruined by a random P who does an abusive fag build, gets lucky and beats Flash just to roll over and die in the next game because he's actually a terrible player is annoying. As Stylish said it's fucking frustrating because it was so pointless. Khan was gonna lose the match 10 times out of 10 in that situation anyways having already sent out their good players. The only thing they accomplished was ruining shit for Flash.
And yes, SuperArc is by far the worst fanboy on TL.
Good job Flash. So close from the all-kill. I need to watch the game against M18M. Seems like a lot of people are raging about it. From the LR seems like there were "reasons" for it
And regarding fanboys: at least Flash fanboys don't claim that if Flash played his best he would have won and he lost only because his play was subpar (cough Jaedong cough).
Wow, in just three days Flash completely destroyed the three best players of both SKT and KHAN, including four of the former dragons. Just thinking that two months ago half of TL marked TvP like his Achilles heel... Flash can really work on his weaknesses when needed.
And I can't really blame M18M, he did what every lesser player needs to do if he want some chances to win, resort to cheese and abusive play. He got lucky and it's worked, that's all. Hey, it's not like Flash never cheesed .
But damn, two allkills in one week would be awesome. Hopefully next time Flash!
On February 24 2010 02:20 Lebesgue wrote: Good job Flash. So close from the all-kill. I need to watch the game against M18M. Seems like a lot of people are raging about it. From the LR seems like there were "reasons" for it
And regarding fanboys: at least Flash fanboys don't claim that if Flash played his best he would have won and he lost only because his play was subpar (cough Jaedong cough).
how unnecessary to start dissing jaedong fans in a discussion that has got nothing to do with him. Besides, how is that something that isn't true. People often would have won games if they had played there very best, it's not always possible to play to the best of your abilities, doesn't take a genius to see that.
To all the flash fans: I think flash is pretty happy, therefore so should you. Of course m18m had no chance against the rest of KT and luck was a big factor but so what? you want him to lose on purpose?
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL
Don't be ridiculous --- every kind of fanboy is just as annoying as every other kind of fanboy. When Bisu had his resurgence, his fanboys were annoying. When Jaedong was invincible (mid 2008 to mid 2009), his fanboys were annoying. Now Flash is dominating and his fanboys are annoying.
But the people that say disparaging things about "fanboys" in order to seem cool have always been at least as annoying as the "fanboys" themselves, and I don't see that changing soon.
EDIT: Super impressive play by Flash tonight. The loss to M18M stings, but taking a loss for 7 games won against top opponents doesn't seem so bad. Seriously, look at Flash's hit list this WL: Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy, Best, Stork, Jangbi, FBH. And KT is what, 6-0?
On February 24 2010 02:20 Lebesgue wrote: Good job Flash. So close from the all-kill. I need to watch the game against M18M. Seems like a lot of people are raging about it. From the LR seems like there were "reasons" for it
And regarding fanboys: at least Flash fanboys don't claim that if Flash played his best he would have won and he lost only because his play was subpar (cough Jaedong cough).
how unnecessary to start dissing jaedong fans in a discussion that has got nothing to do with him. Besides, how is that something that isn't true. People often would have won games if they had played there very best, it's not always possible to play to the best of your abilities, doesn't take a genius to see that.
To all the flash fans: I think flash is pretty happy, therefore so should you. Of course m18m had no chance against the rest of KT and luck was a big factor but so what? you want him to lose on purpose?
Oh come on. People tend to claim here and in other threads that Flash fans are the worst. I just disagree. That's all. And I gave an example being half serious.
And I don't even want to start discussion regarding legitimacy of those claims... You can check those comments in multiple threads at TL and judge yourself (I even in the last match against Khan there is a good example).
On February 24 2010 02:20 Lebesgue wrote: Good job Flash. So close from the all-kill. I need to watch the game against M18M. Seems like a lot of people are raging about it. From the LR seems like there were "reasons" for it
And regarding fanboys: at least Flash fanboys don't claim that if Flash played his best he would have won and he lost only because his play was subpar (cough Jaedong cough).
how unnecessary to start dissing jaedong fans in a discussion that has got nothing to do with him. Besides, how is that something that isn't true. People often would have won games if they had played there very best, it's not always possible to play to the best of your abilities, doesn't take a genius to see that.
To all the flash fans: I think flash is pretty happy, therefore so should you. Of course m18m had no chance against the rest of KT and luck was a big factor but so what? you want him to lose on purpose?
Oh come on. People tend to claim here and in other threads that Flash fans are the worst. I just disagree. That's all. And I gave an example being half serious.
And I don't even want to start discussion regarding legitimacy of those claims... You can check those comments in multiple threads at TL and judge yourself (I even in the last match against Khan there is a good example).
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL
Don't be ridiculous --- every kind of fanboy is just as annoying as every other kind of fanboy. When Bisu had his resurgence, his fanboys were annoying. When Jaedong was invincible (mid 2008 to mid 2009), his fanboys were annoying. Now Flash is dominating and his fanboys are annoying.
But the people that say disparaging things about "fanboys" in order to seem cool have always been at least as annoying as the "fanboys" themselves, and I don't see that changing soon.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL
But the people that say disparaging things about "fanboys" in order to seem cool have always been at least as annoying as the "fanboys" themselves, and I don't see that changing soon.
And the people who say disparaging things about the people who say disparaging things about the fanboys are even more annoying!!!
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.
We're all insufferable, get over yourself.
The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.
For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.
The difference is that Nony agreed to the loss because he said he was out of the game. Flash said he was still in it. Seems logical to go based off what the players themselves think no?
So if Flash say something then its true? The point is that Nony is a better sportsman then Flash apparently, and all people should be able to judge for themself. The Nony idra game was far closer then the JD flash, and still Nony said it was fair and most terran fanboys agreed it was ok to give Idra the win, after all Idra was ahead. But when Flash to 99% had lost the game vs JD it was such a horrible fault to give JD the win, sinc a comback possibly could have happend etc.
Dont you see the fun when somebody change there mind about two similar cases like that?
On February 23 2010 21:25 purpose wrote: M18M did what he could vs the best player in sc atm. I think it was great that Flash lost his AK to a lame gay as protoss.
I mean Flash himself has won his share of games by being lame with his gayfaction and abusing terran maps.
This. You wouldn't see any of these bigoted flash fanboys complaining if it was Flash that had successfully pulled off a 'gay strat'; instead they would be cooing about how Flash has such wonderful variety in his play. I swear Flash fanboys are the most unreasonable kind I've seen around here in a long time.
What gay strats can he really do in TvP? Bunker rush? Thats just a "standard"ish response to 12 nex. The only "cheese" are really creative timing pushes with obscure tank / marine / vulture compositions. Even if theyre cheese they'd have to be well thought out. What makes this gay is that all you do is build a nexus on 12, hope you get lucky the opponent scouts the wrong way, and tech to DTs. Honestly its barely a cheese cause DTs give you map control even if they fail and your eco is skyrocketing from 12 nex
Yea poor Terran, they just dont have any gay strats to pull off vs protoss. Every Terran win is the result of master play and super duper micro and skill.
Jeez.
Terran can throw in good cheese and yet are most cost effective in split maps against Z & P, and in many aspects of game. The way they turtle, knowing in the end they'll at least get a draw and win when opponent decide to throw units away. When the race created for defense abuse defense and got outsmart sometimes fans complain of abuse. LOL.
Turtling? Just take 2 expansions...problem solved. Once protoss gets the 3rd terran can no longer turtle and has to decide between aggresion, vulture play, or taking his own third. HOnestly its protoss in PvT that get to sit back and expand
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.
We're all insufferable, get over yourself.
The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.
For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.
The difference is that Nony agreed to the loss because he said he was out of the game. Flash said he was still in it. Seems logical to go based off what the players themselves think no?
So if Flash say something then its true? The point is that Nony is a better sportsman then Flash apparently, and all people should be able to judge for themself. The Nony idra game was far closer then the JD flash, and still Nony said it was fair and most terran fanboys agreed it was ok to give Idra the win, after all Idra was ahead. But when Flash to 99% had lost the game vs JD it was such a horrible fault to give JD the win, sinc a comback possibly could have happend etc.
Dont you see the fun when somebody change there mind about two similar cases like that?
Youuuuu didn't watch the MSL I'm assuming. Nony's disadvantage (having like 10 probes at midgame after a failed cheese) isn't the same as "Jaedong's got a strong army and economy and Flash is low on irradiate and about to take a new expansion with his also large army."
Nony being incredibly cordial and giving up the game was very very generous of him, but it wasn't the same situation and it's dumb to compare.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL
Don't be ridiculous --- every kind of fanboy is just as annoying as every other kind of fanboy. When Bisu had his resurgence, his fanboys were annoying. When Jaedong was invincible (mid 2008 to mid 2009), his fanboys were annoying. Now Flash is dominating and his fanboys are annoying.
But the people that say disparaging things about "fanboys" in order to seem cool have always been at least as annoying as the "fanboys" themselves, and I don't see that changing soon.
EDIT: Super impressive play by Flash tonight. The loss to M18M stings, but taking a loss for 7 games won against top opponents doesn't seem so bad. Seriously, look at Flash's hit list this WL: Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy, Best, Stork, Jangbi, FBH. And KT is what, 6-0?
I'm not "annoyed" by bad fanboys. Nothing is more entertaining in TL than reading some ridiculous post of say SuperArc, trying to excuse Jaedong for his loss by totally disregarding the other guys skills.
Bad fanboys are fun and vital part of our community. Getting annoyed by guy who doesnt cheer for your player is plainly stupid.
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
An opinion on fanboys about other fanboys, from fanboys, by fanboys.
We're all insufferable, get over yourself.
The fun thing about terran fanboys is that when the MSL blackout game, they still claim that you can never know if JD would have won since huge combacks happen alot in sc. But when Nony lost connection vs Idra it was 100% correct that Idra won it since he was ahead and most likelly would have won.
For sure if it was the other way around, they would have argued loudly that Idra for sure could have won that game and that they should have rematched etc.
The difference is that Nony agreed to the loss because he said he was out of the game. Flash said he was still in it. Seems logical to go based off what the players themselves think no?
So if Flash say something then its true? The point is that Nony is a better sportsman then Flash apparently, and all people should be able to judge for themself. The Nony idra game was far closer then the JD flash, and still Nony said it was fair and most terran fanboys agreed it was ok to give Idra the win, after all Idra was ahead. But when Flash to 99% had lost the game vs JD it was such a horrible fault to give JD the win, sinc a comback possibly could have happend etc.
Dont you see the fun when somebody change there mind about two similar cases like that?
Umm, who is the mysterious somebody? Show me the concrete people who argued against JD in MSL and for Idra in TSL. How many do you find, hmm? That is the monstrous hypocritical Terran fanbase? Please...
On February 23 2010 22:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Every kind of fanboy is as ridiculous as every other fanboy and you'd be unreasonable to assume otherwise.
It just seems more pungent for Flash fans now because, go figure, Flash is doing great. Jaedong and Bisu fans have been every bit as bad in the past.
Stork fans haven't though. Stork gets the best fans.
Nope, in terms of sheer aggression and disrespect for the opponents the Flash fanboys are on a level apart at the moment. Of course, you can't see it because you're one of them.
yes, I'm starting to wonder if Jaedong still has the worst fanbase at TL
Don't be ridiculous --- every kind of fanboy is just as annoying as every other kind of fanboy. When Bisu had his resurgence, his fanboys were annoying. When Jaedong was invincible (mid 2008 to mid 2009), his fanboys were annoying. Now Flash is dominating and his fanboys are annoying.
But the people that say disparaging things about "fanboys" in order to seem cool have always been at least as annoying as the "fanboys" themselves, and I don't see that changing soon.
EDIT: Super impressive play by Flash tonight. The loss to M18M stings, but taking a loss for 7 games won against top opponents doesn't seem so bad. Seriously, look at Flash's hit list this WL: Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy, Best, Stork, Jangbi, FBH. And KT is what, 6-0?
I'm not "annoyed" by bad fanboys.
Precisely. Your comment about whose fanbase is the "worst" was both less funny and more obnoxious than fanboy posts, because it was a direct disparagement of Jaedong's fanbase (which used to be the worst!) and Flash's fanbase (which is the new worst!). As part of the fanbase of both players, I don't take offense at such posts (this is the internet, people say dumb stuff), but neither would it bother me if people didn't write them in the first place.
I don't say this to antagonize you --- I actually think you'll understand what I'm trying to say. It wasn't your post specifically that made me want to write this, but more a general attitude that's common and that I think we'd be better off without.
(Shooting down or mocking ridiculous fanboy posts is totally fine in my book --- it's the generalization to an entire fanbase that's irritating.)
On February 23 2010 19:59 Highways wrote: Lol complaining about DT's.
Terran has something 100x more gay. Bunker Rushing vs Zerg.
So true. Atleast the DTs put you behind when they fail, the bunker rush almost never puts you behind unless you fail your micro hardcore.
Aren't you not allowed to participate in balance discussions?
Anyways, m18m isn't a bad player at all. I'm surprised that people haven't realized this. Both his pvp and pvt are very solid. Yes, his pvz is lacking, but Rolster's Z lineup isn't wonderful anyways. Hoejja is definitely their best vs P sniper, but he still is inconsistent at times, along with wunder fail luxury and firefist/815. Violet/Stats would probably be the larger concern, and it's not like any other member of khan left would have fared much better vs them. Turn/Great would have been the only other real options and Great has proven himself incapable of beating Violet even after killing half his probes with a runby. Even if it was just to snipe Flash, getting +1 in the differential can actually matter a lot later on when it comes to playoff contention.
Anyone else think flash would have won if he scouted normal? As in not one adjacent position, then cross map (to check for proxi presumably, which is normally smart). I feel like he should have known this guy was going to do a snipe build and scouted extra. Flash knows more than I do obviously, perhaps the extra scv to scout both ways or 150min for an earlier acad would have set him back too much.
What do you do against this? Scout it earlier and pull 6scvs w/ rines to bunker the 12 nex? Cross positions? I know what Idra thinks, but anyone else?
i would like to paraphrase a commonly used saying about Flash about 4 months ago when he was first breaking the all time elo record (which he has been above the entire time since, except for like a couple days O.O)
On February 24 2010 09:12 Interstate wrote: hey, can i watch recorded stream somewhere? havent find the stuff on youtube. Mainly i am interested in Flash games only. thx
On February 24 2010 09:12 Interstate wrote: hey, can i watch recorded stream somewhere? havent find the stuff on youtube. Mainly i am interested in Flash games only. thx
Flash's TvDragon is the best around, but his TvP still ain't that hot.
I hope you're joking. Flash TvP is beastly and have never been that good. And he is definitely the best TvPer around these days. But a huge margin... Just look at his record recently.
On February 24 2010 09:12 Interstate wrote: hey, can i watch recorded stream somewhere? havent find the stuff on youtube. Mainly i am interested in Flash games only. thx
wfbrood.com is your friend.
it might help someone.. the stream was loading here like 10kb/s then after i put a korean proxy i've got 80.90kb/s
On February 26 2010 22:36 SuperArc wrote: How can FBH fail so hard to win against Flash?
Getting advantage against the best TvT player ever is so easy for him, but taking the win home is like impossible lol.
I honestly think it's mental. FBH freaks out and gets so excited that he's going to beat someone like Flash that he tries to do everything possible to ensure a safe victory. He's not confident enough in his skills, so he almost feels that it was luck that gave him the edge over Flash and now he has to translate that luck into some statistically impossible insurmountable advantage. Instead, he falls flat on his face and loses because Flash ofc will try the one thing that he sees could give him a chance at victory.\
Mental superiority. Flash looks for how to win. FBH looks for how NOT to lose.
On February 26 2010 22:36 SuperArc wrote: How can FBH fail so hard to win against Flash?
Getting advantage against the best TvT player ever is so easy for him, but taking the win home is like impossible lol.
Could be his shitty late game macro. I remember one TvT FPVOD of him and he had like 4800 minerals in the bank.
If it was the Medusa game:
He was maxed that game and waited for Flash to mine out his last base and max out too and then get steamrolled.
No kidding, that must have been FBH's game plan, at least his decision making resulted to that.
No he won the game I was thinking of. He spent all the money building like 10 factories at once with machine shops pumping pure tanks and just a moving them.
My favorite part about that FBH v Flash match was Flash's decision to abandon his Nat. Flash has always had an incredible ability to very quickly assess a situation and make a quick response be it right or wrong (generally right). OSL finals v Movie game 4 is a good example, he gets a late glimpse at movie's 12 nex and within a second his response is on the way. I remember when watching the Flash v FBH game I thought it inconceivable that a player would abandon his natural. I mean it's called a NATURAL expansion, it's the natural place to first expand, it naturally belongs to you. In his position with his skill I would have mounted a defense of the natural and probably have lost the game because of it. Instead without missing a beat he abandons it and reuses the CC elsewhere. This reduces FBH's advantage gain from this exchange. Flash loses some mining time but FBH's units are stranded in a useless position.
FBH definitely screwed up that game, I'm not trying to argue that. Just stating my favorite part.
On February 27 2010 02:41 Sabu113 wrote: The position was worthwhile. FBH stopped an expansion in exchange for those mins. It was a good trade.
Oh absolutely, I wasn't trying to argue that. But it would have been a much better trade for FBH if he stopped the expo AND killed Flash's units that attempted to retake it.
Flash just became sleepy after demolishing the rest of KHAN (3 games in a row is pretty damn long) and thought that he could beat M18M while taking a nap.