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Mystlord
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g-chizzle 4 lyfe dawg
yea boi
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plzplzplz anything but killer. no more crap zergs
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Hwasin is doomed to end up in the Ro16 whether he likes it or not. Guemchi and Killer have no chance.
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On February 19 2010 18:25 Chen wrote:
plzplzplz anything but killer. no more crap zergs
Ah, he's not that bad, he just got a bad rap from his days as Oz's ace...
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Cheers dude.
Was Guemchi's WL form a fluke? I guess now we find out!
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How are you able to stream? Livestream seems to be dead for everyone else...
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On February 19 2010 18:25 Chen wrote:
plzplzplz anything but killer. no more crap zergs there is absolutely no way killer will get past hwasin if somehow he manages to get past guemchi. if guemchi happens to beat killer my moneys on him to advance
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Mystlord
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On February 19 2010 18:28 meeple wrote:How are you able to stream? Livestream seems to be dead for everyone else...
Because I haven't touched SC2? I dunno.
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Kentor
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On February 19 2010 18:29 We Are Here wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 18:25 Chen wrote:
plzplzplz anything but killer. no more crap zergs there is absolutely no way killer way get past hwasin if somehow he manages to get past guemchi. if guemchi happens to beat killer my moneys on him to advance
stranger things have happened. like Really and Leta omfgfailing.
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Wow, Guemchi winning the poll on who to advance with 44%
Hwasin with 40%
and hah.
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On February 19 2010 18:33 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 18:29 We Are Here wrote:On February 19 2010 18:25 Chen wrote:
plzplzplz anything but killer. no more crap zergs there is absolutely no way killer way get past hwasin if somehow he manages to get past guemchi. if guemchi happens to beat killer my moneys on him to advance stranger things have happened. like Really and Leta omfgfailing.
Personally, I didn't see Really failing as a surprise. But many here on TL overhype him.
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Guemchi spawns at 4, Killer at 12
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God its weird to see BW after watching SC2 all day...
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9 pool, surprise surprise
probe scouts killer
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Killer 9 pooling, Guemchi looks to Forge fe...
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what were those two nodding their heads holding lol
killer loses drone to probe
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probe KILLS a drone! at killer's nat
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Nice, probe kills Killer's drone
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Loool Killer fails and loses his natural Drone to a Probe.
Noob.
FIGHT HARDER FOOL!!
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Killer taking his nat... and his lings are enroute to GUemchi's base
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On February 19 2010 18:33 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 18:29 We Are Here wrote:On February 19 2010 18:25 Chen wrote:
plzplzplz anything but killer. no more crap zergs there is absolutely no way killer way get past hwasin if somehow he manages to get past guemchi. if guemchi happens to beat killer my moneys on him to advance stranger things have happened. like Really and Leta omfgfailing.
Really not so much because he still sucks at TvZ but Leta dropping out was bizarre. He doesn't have very good game sense but I imagined him doing better in his group since none of them were protoss players.
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Guemchi throws down two cannons and a gateway block... Killer sees the futility and backs down
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Guemchi's bonjwa probe pawns the crap out of Killer's newb drone, then perfectly times his cannon as the lings futiley look for an opening
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killer's nat going up pretty late
gumechi going with 2 cannons for his wall
I'm not sure, but it might have been better for killer to try the ling runby - I don't think the cannons were done when his lings reached the toss nat
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Killer starting up a third... attempting to switch to econ and catch up
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den first, first zealot is out and moving about
killer takes inner 12
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Oh dear... Aaa Denn...
Repeat of yesterday?
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starport in progress - both players pumping workers
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oh god, killer going for hydra all-in -_______-
GUEMCHI BLOCK THIS NEWB PLEASE
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Guemchi getting the stargate... this hydra bust will be relatively allin from Killer
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Lings are completely denying the Probe scout.
Absoluetly no way that Guemchi can scout this unless he sends a 2nd scout out.
HERE WE GO!!! KILLER MOVING OUT!!
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Guemchi adds another cannon and some troops at the front... maybe he suspects something
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killer's produced quite a few hydra
guemchi only has 3 zealots and 2 cannons, 3 more warping
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Mystlord
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LOOOOL PROBES RAPING HYDRAS!
ROOOOFL
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Hydra BUSTT!!! Excellent probe micro from Guemchi
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killer attacks with hydraling - probes come out and are doing a valiant job in defending - actually probes kill quite a few hydra - but more hydra trickle in
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ALL CANNONS GO DOWN, PROBES RAPING HYDRAS, GUEMCHI LOOKS LIKE HE WILL HOLD
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Mystlord
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LOL FAIL KILLER! Probes repelled his attack.
Killer's just totally screwed...
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Ah that totally failed... Killer's hydras all but gone and Guemchi still has a decent number of cannons up
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ALL CANNONS GO DOWN, PROBES RAPING HYDRAS, GUEMCHI LOOKS LIKE HE WILL HOLD[/QUOTE]
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killer is a failure, haha - only a few hydra potshotting the gateway, guemchi really adding a ton of cannons
one sair has one ol kill
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Gosh, Guemchi's probes are on steroids this game.
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Excellent probe defense from Guemchi, I was impressed
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Again Killer tries to bust in, and again Guemchi repels him
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On February 19 2010 18:42 Chen wrote:
ALL CANNONS GO DOWN, PROBES RAPING HYDRAS, GUEMCHI LOOKS LIKE HE WILL HOLD
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Woah he's quoting himself from the future.
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PROBES REPEL THE HYDRAS AGAIN
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Killer attack #2. Doesn't work and gets repelled again. DTs going to come out for Guemchi soon, and then Killer's majorly screwed.
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Killer killed a gateway though.
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another attack - a few cannons down, probes move to defend, but once again guemchi defends
another overlord going down
guemchi adding gates, killer falling more and more behind
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Killer is now in the red. 35/27
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Guemchi stupidly loses a sair.
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Killer supply blocked from loss of overlords. Guemchi loses a sair carelessly
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Killer getting supply capped by a single corsair... Guemchi is looking really strong
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one sair lost to a hydra after killing one ol - guemchi wasn't paying attention
first templar out
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Guemchi with storms incoming and 2 fully saturated bases. yes yes yes hydra bust=major fail
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Guemchi throws down 4 more gates... and moves into macro mode
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9 cannons at natural LOL.
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killer finally adding his nat gas - expanding to 9
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Killer taking a fourth at the left... Guemchi is looking snug in his base, tons of cannons and some ht
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storm rapes 4 hydras at guemchi's nat.
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guemchi no longer producing sairs - storms 4 hydra at his nat
he's got 4 templar now
first 3 lurkers morphing for killer
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Lurkers done for Killer... thinking about setting up a contain
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guemchi kills own cannon cuz its blocking pathing.
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guemchi massing quite a few zealots - is he readying an attack?
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What a surprisingly even game after the openings, with good decisions from both players
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Killer going proxy hatch for contain.
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guemchi moves out - pretty good storms - but storms his own observer too, oops, and he has to withdraw
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lolol Guemchi breaks out... Killer tries to proxy a hatch but it fails
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Proxy hatch attempt from Killer
GETS RAPED BY GUEMCHI WOOT.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Killer actually trying to build a hatch outside of Guemchi's base... Reminds me of Neo Medusa..
Guemchi rolls Killer's army.
Lol he doesn't cancel the hatch and loses it instead.
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killer built a hatchery to absorb hits? zerg's version of the forward pylon! it's killed
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killer didnt cancel proxy hatchery wtf?????
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Very nice micro from Guemchi... he's so on top of things this game
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Some very nice storming there
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Seriously killer?
Proxy hat, you thought you were that ahead, Really?
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guemchi moving with goon/zealot/archon at killer's nat
killer doesn't have much defense - the two sunkens are killed, hydra are dying
a little hydralurk come in from behind
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Guemchi moving into Killers nat... this force will probably be taken out.
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Wow Killer somehow holds off Guemchi's attack.
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guemchi takes 6 - killer's overlord sees it all
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Killer just barely holds his nat.
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Guemchi spotted Killer's fourth and moves in with a couple of zealots
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4 zealots move to attack 9 - 5 hydra respond, both players not micromanaging their best over there
but the threat to the hatch is nullified
a dt arrives though - drone rape
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Dts moving into the fourth... no OL in sight!!!
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DT RAPING DRONES, 10 KILLS
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10 drone kills - now swiping at the hatch
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10 kill dt killer totally didnt see it wow.
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DT cleans out all drones at killer's 4th... expect him to counter hard.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
DT at the fourth takes out 10 Drones. Loool. Killer is more screwed than he was just a while ago...
And Guemchi's army is looking REALLY paltry?
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mediocrity, thy name is killer
another dt at inner 12 - once again no overlord
9 drone kills
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4 observers for Guemchi, but he wasted his storms to early. ANOTHER DARK TEMPLAR, 9 KILLS ON THIS ONE
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okay this game is pretty much over after all those drone kills...
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Aughh... dts raping all over!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Wow another DT getting a ton of kills... 5 Drones on that one about.
Guemchi going to take the mineral only, going to shut down Killer's fourth.
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also a small clash in the upper middle of the map - killer holds off guemchi's attack
but now guemchi attacking with a decently sized goon/zeal/templar force, kills 9
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Killer's fourth falls and Guemchi is in firm control of the game. Sitting pretty at almost twice the supply
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Why is Guemchi aiming for the main? He should just kill the nearest hatchery. But Guemchi wins so it doesn't matter.
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Killer moves into Guemchi's fourth while his forces are away
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ahh, I missed guemchi taking inner 3
now a hydra/lurk attack - was successful at first, but guemchi's reinforcements clean it up
killer gg's!
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Killer uses all of his units. and fails to Kill Guemchi's fourth.
he GG's
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
GG from Killer. Disappointing play.
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Unfortunately for him, it gets cleaned up easily and he ggs immediately after
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Surprisingly interesting game.
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Killer use your overlords properly next game please
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Super facepalm moments in this game.
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for once the ads aren't wasted on us foreigners - we are potential customers for korean air
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There was so much failing in that game...
Killer went 9 pool and failed to do early damage
He switched to a 3 hatch hydra bust that failed to bust
Tried to lurker contain Guemchi and Guemchi walked all over it
Takes a fourth to catch up on econ, but loses all his drones to a dt
He couldn't even kill of Guemchi's 4th at the end...
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in killer's defense, he really has no decent toss to practice with in Oz.
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Indeed, a modern zerg especially shouldn't have left his bases so vulnerable without overlords
and don't forget him losing his first expo drone that went head to head against that probe
game 2
guemchi at 10, killer at 2
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On February 19 2010 18:59 moopie wrote:
in killer's defense, he really has no decent toss to practice with in Oz.
That's no excuse. What about Jaedong?
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On February 19 2010 19:00 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 18:59 moopie wrote:
in killer's defense, he really has no decent toss to practice with in Oz. That's no excuse. What about Jaedong?
Jaedong is rigged.
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On February 19 2010 19:00 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 18:59 moopie wrote:
in killer's defense, he really has no decent toss to practice with in Oz. That's no excuse. What about Jaedong?
Unlike Killer, Jaedong has friends. Same goes for Flash. You think Flash can get good at TvT from playing Forgg all day?
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weird direction change by the scouting overlord
guemchi nice and lucky scouts killer first again
was that overpool by killer? not sure
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lol Guemchi blocks the nat with a pylon
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manner pylon at the zerg nat - so killer takes 3 instead
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Yeah I think that was an overpool... taking his nat now...
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guemchi scouts killer taking 3
killer also takes his nat, starting his main gas
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Guemchi sneaks another probe in... past all the lings
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On February 19 2010 19:01 Redshirt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 19:00 SuperArc wrote:On February 19 2010 18:59 moopie wrote:
in killer's defense, he really has no decent toss to practice with in Oz. That's no excuse. What about Jaedong? Unlike Killer, Jaedong has friends. Same goes for Flash.
Jaedong almost never trains outside his team. For the last MSL he trained only with his team against Kal and Flash.
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2nd scouting probe killed
nothing really interesting going on yet
lair going up
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Killer getting a lair up... looks a bit more standard than the last game
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I like seeing guemchi constantly sending scouting probes out
starport warping in the main
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speed done for Killer... spire almost done now too
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another wandering scouting probe killed
4th hatch, spire being added
first sair building, robo in progress
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first overlord death - a single scourge flies right by the sair
a drone hanging out in the middle of nowhere - was that killer's rally point?
den has been added too
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lol Drunken scourge... the OL gets away with a sliver of health
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Reavers out for Guemchi... corsairs continue to pump
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OOhhh Burrow!! Killer is being sneaky
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nice, 4 drones even with burrow
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Killer burrows some drones but just a fraction too late
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NICE, KILLER LOSES ANOTHER 3-5 DRONES. ONLY 3 LEFT AT THE NATURAL
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Ahah Killer tries to take down the third, but two reavers rip apart the hydras
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Bahh Guemchi loses the reaver/shuttle
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ramp is hurting guemchi more than its helping, he coulda taken those hydras in an open field. reaver gets there to save the third tho
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Killer taking a fourth at bottom right
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Omg, so little defense at his nat... Guemchi might be broken here
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lol
high quality games here folks
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Guemchi doesnt have storm.
he loses his natural. reaver and shuttle go down.
he's going to lose to mass hydras.
goddamn it Guemchi
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where the hell were the storms
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That third is so hard to hold for protoss.
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Stupidly loosing that river at his 3rd cost him the game.
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I question Guemchi's game sense against zergs, why did he choose sair/reaver on a short distance to the opponent? He should have massed up high templars.
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On February 19 2010 19:13 FireGuyX wrote:
I question Guemchi's game sense against zergs, why did he choose sair/reaver on a short distance to the opponent? He should have massed up high templars
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Because its the best style to play on this map? Reaver/sair into reavers to secure your 3rd?
+ short air distances and Killer's nat facing guemchi favored reaver/sair.
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France2061 Posts
On February 19 2010 19:13 FireGuyX wrote:
I question Guemchi's game sense against zergs, why did he choose sair/reaver on a short distance to the opponent? He should have massed up high templars.
He was using the reavers to help secure the third, like Stork did against Hogil. But he lost two reavers and his first shuttle and didn't have enough to defend his nat (no storms either).
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Probably end up losing another pro-league monster in the qualifiers
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On February 19 2010 19:16 Lann555 wrote:
Probably end up losing another pro-league monster in the qualifiers
I think Killer has a good chance, actually
... oh wait.
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Goon owns an OL, no need for the sair that just popped out.
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Why do protoss players always lose a corsair like that? It's not as if they don't know the scourges are coming.
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Movie vs Hero/Shine repeat....
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Guemchi moves into Killer's 3rd... not a ton of defense but the force gets taken down
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Killer what on earth are you doing
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Dt's try to rape like they did before, but OL's hatch there and they get driven away
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On February 19 2010 19:22 okum wrote:
Why do protoss players always lose a corsair like that? It's not as if they don't know the scourges are coming.
You usually expect to be able to react to it, but some days you're just not playing 100% for whatever reason.
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France2061 Posts
I thought Guemchi was mismicroing that dragoon but he was deliberately targeting the overlord to make way for the DTs. The whole move failed and DTs were shut down by lings.
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Wow... lurker and hydras take out Guemchi's small force... very little defense at the front
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Killer with a lurker contain sigh.
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France2061 Posts
On February 19 2010 19:24 cascades wrote:
Killer with an all in hydra again sigh.
He's not all-in in the slightest.
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On February 19 2010 19:24 cascades wrote:
Killer with an all in hydra again sigh.
???
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On February 19 2010 19:24 cascades wrote:
Killer with a lurker contain sigh.
wtf?
lol ninja edit
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Killer setting up a contain... Guemchi takes out the OL and brings in dt's to clean it up
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Damn nice use of DTs to break the contain.
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mass zlots vs hydra-lurk ><
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guemchi sucks
2 archons when going 1-0 cors what for
late storm, late observer but mass zeal when he sees lurks
lol
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France2061 Posts
Guemchi is playing really poorly here.
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Killer now 10 supply ahead of Guemchi, he's got this
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Killer holds the contain... Guemchi storming his own sairs and I think an obsrerver or two
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arg. ok Hwasin better own this scrub zerg.
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Guemchi still on two bases...
can't break through
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Guemchi tries to be sneaky but its spotted by a couple lings
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Not sure why he went zealot/archon vs hydra/lurker
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Yeah my bad I thought he was trying for that. Guemchi keeps on engagning the force outside his nat when he has 5 cannons. Bad decision making; loses battle twice..
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Spore colony gets up in the main... those dts will be rather useless now. Killer isn't playing great but he's palying wayy better than Guemchi in the last two games
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Killer's got a killer contain now.
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Killer with crazy map control. Can't see Guemchi coming back.
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Killer snipes reaver at Guemchi's nat.
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France2061 Posts
Fail drop into reaver snipe. Guemchi still contained.
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Guemchi is dead, main is empty and killer at 4 bases.
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Hydras continue to stream towards Guemchi's nat... he's gotta break out or he's done
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Pretty decent game, solid contain from killer
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Killer losing the first game like his mentor. :p
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killer played pretty well this game
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Reaver snipe and ht snipe again... Killer's got some moves
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Guemchi fails to break out again and ggs
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Killer finally pushes with lurkers and hydra and Guemchi ggs
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How did this guy get an all-kill?!
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France2061 Posts
Okay, time for Hwasin to earn his mandatory Ro16 spot.
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GG
Lets go Killer, although the odds of non JD/Hiya qualifying to the ro16 is slim he can still do it, considering the quality of Hwasin's recent TvZs
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damn
i knew guemchis winners league streak was more luck than anything else, still i voted for him when killers zvp seems to be his only decent mup ;(
so bad this game my god, the early aggression was ok but such a horrible tech decision/unit composition
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On February 19 2010 19:33 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
How did this guy get an all-kill?!
im sad too
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On February 19 2010 19:33 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
How did this guy get an all-kill?!
horrible CJ slump
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The players were in cross positions, Guemchi should of went for an early sair/reaver. Also high templars are not all that effective against well placed lurkers.
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Yay! I have no idea where Killer was the first two games, but apart from dealing with the corsairs, Killer was solid in the last one.
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gj killer, now roll over and play dead for hwasin.
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Should be an easy win for Hwasin here
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Hwasin not qualifying for a group stage is the hugest upset that can happen.
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maybe killer goes for 36 lings doing nothing again t.t
battle cruiser incoming, u read it here first
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Now time for killer to show his vaunted "ZvT". Go nukes!!!!
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On February 19 2010 19:34 FireGuyX wrote:
The players were in cross positions, Guemchi should of went for an early sair/reaver. Also high templars are not all that effective against well placed lurkers.
They might have been effective if he didn't move them into the lurkers range and let them die without storming at all.
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Hwasin's probably laughing at how easy this group is. Killer played very mediocre, but didn't mess up. While Guemchi had good ideas, only to execute his plans badly.
Anyway, Hwasin's TvZ is usually very nice. Here's to him destroying Killer's expos everywhere with mad mnm control.
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On February 19 2010 19:38 Fireflies wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 19:34 FireGuyX wrote:
The players were in cross positions, Guemchi should of went for an early sair/reaver. Also high templars are not all that effective against well placed lurkers. They might have been effective if he didn't move them into the lurkers range and let them die without storming at all.
Guemichi was storming alright, but it wasn't doing that much damage because the lurkers weren't clumped together. Reavers are much more better at killing off lurkers.
Edit: Guemichi should of immediately turn those high templars into archons. A unit composition of reavers/archons/zealots would of been more effective given Killer's tech and the map.
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Damn, Hwasin with glasses is so sexy.
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hwasin 12
killer 9
€: map Great Barrier Reef
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"excellence in fight" I smell google translate...
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killer 12 hatch 11(?) pool
hwasin 1 rax cc
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Killer with a really quick 3 hatches
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wow killer with a quick third
killer attempting to steal a third base. hwasin should probably realize that he has a hidden third after seeing only 2 hatches + slow tech.
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killer making a lot of lings, no sunk
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As IdrA would say: zerglings are pretty good units yeah?
On February 19 2010 19:55 meegrean wrote:
LOL is this kwanro?
No, it's OctZerg.
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DONT LOSE TO A FUCKING ZERGLING RUSH HWASIN. MASS FIREBATS DAMMIT.
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OH MY big mistake by hwasin
pulls his scvs to his ramp when lings try to get up, but then gets them mining again while killer goes up the ramp with reinforcements
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ERg...Hwasin doesn't block the ramp and lings and running rampant
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Llol, moving the scvs away before the lings are dead.
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GG from Hwasin...
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Hwasin loses to ling pressure. Wow...
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yea! go Killer! mini JD, cept JD doesnt all in lings so often.
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remove head from anus hwasin
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What the hell was that, Hwasin? No wonder Frozen is taking your place as the T in the STX lineup.
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I like Killer's decisiveness, even if he isn't an amazing sc player by pro standards
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 Killer is raping ass today although admittedly  Hwasin is playing subpar
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I look away for a minute and Killer won.
Don't drop this Hwasin, there's only one terran in the Ro16 so far
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That looked like kwanro playing for a second there....
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Killer isn't beating Hwasin is a straight game so unless he has some good snipe build for game 2, he still isn't advancing.
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Hwasin being reminded of an old iccup lesson - when you're being pressured by lots of early lings, do NOT send SCVs back to mining until you're sure you can hold another wave of lings at your ramp without them. It's not worth the extra half minute of mining when there's a decent chance the next (game-ending) wave is coming and you don't have the intel to know for sure.
Every time I lose this way remembering the above would have won me the game.
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Anyone else who can't watch the stream because of lag issues?
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On February 19 2010 19:59 darktreb wrote:
Hwasin being reminded of an old iccup lesson - when you're being pressured by lots of early lings, do NOT send SCVs back to mining until you're sure you can hold another wave of lings at your ramp without them. It's not worth the extra half minute of mining when there's a decent chance the next (game-ending) wave is coming and you don't have the intel to know for sure.
Every time I lose this way remembering the above would have won me the game.
i lost a decent number of games because of this kind of greed too
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On February 19 2010 20:00 Jackal03 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 19:59 darktreb wrote:
Hwasin being reminded of an old iccup lesson - when you're being pressured by lots of early lings, do NOT send SCVs back to mining until you're sure you can hold another wave of lings at your ramp without them. It's not worth the extra half minute of mining when there's a decent chance the next (game-ending) wave is coming and you don't have the intel to know for sure.
Every time I lose this way remembering the above would have won me the game. i lost a decent number of games because of this kind of greed too
bunker 
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I can't believe Hwasin went rax expand without a bunker...
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Cant find a working stream anymore
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Hwasin looking for sunken break
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lol yes Hwasin rape this newb
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Hwasin wins with sunk break
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lol Killer twitching in his chair... very nice timing from Hwasin
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hwain is on RAGE!!!
mnm at killer nat and killer gonna lose
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Sunken bust! Killer refuses to gg.
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lol nice one killer.. not making enough sunkens- -.-
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Yeaaaahhhhh Hwasin, sunken break your way to victory!!
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muta going to main but its useless
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Why aren't you gging Killer -_-
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On February 19 2010 20:11 alffla wrote:
lol nice one killer.. not making enough sunkens- -.-
Hwasin hid his extra marines/firebats
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Killer toughing it out... but Hwasin has basically eliminated him
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Killer wants to be eliminated, it seems.
Hwasin gets revenge for the lings
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killer lost all muta and GG
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right.. two short games -_-
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gg finally... beautiful game from hwasin
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Good work killer, you almost had it there
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On February 19 2010 20:11 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:11 alffla wrote:
lol nice one killer.. not making enough sunkens- -.- Hwasin hid his extra marines/firebats
I thought most "safe" zergs make three sunks instead of two
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CA10826 Posts
man i love games like this. they show the player's personality so clearly.
hwasin was so pissed off that this no namer ling all-ined him, and he retaliates with one of his trademark timing sunk busts.
SO GOOD
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where u guys watching? myst lord is showing me some tvp
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2 shorts games, hopefully we'll have an epic 3rd game
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On February 19 2010 20:13 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:11 SuperArc wrote:On February 19 2010 20:11 alffla wrote:
lol nice one killer.. not making enough sunkens- -.- Hwasin hid his extra marines/firebats I thought most "safe" zergs make three sunks instead of two
Almost no zergs make three sunkens, this is why we see so many sunken busts. Two is completely standard
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On February 19 2010 20:13 renyninja wrote:where u guys watching? myst lord is showing me some tvp
http://ogn.ferron.pe/
It's really laggy, but it's better than nothing.
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On February 19 2010 20:14 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:13 meeple wrote:On February 19 2010 20:11 SuperArc wrote:On February 19 2010 20:11 alffla wrote:
lol nice one killer.. not making enough sunkens- -.- Hwasin hid his extra marines/firebats I thought most "safe" zergs make three sunks instead of two Almost no zergs make three sunkens, this is why we see so many sunken busts. Two is completely standard
And 3 wouldn't have stopped that, maybe if Hwasin did a 2rax acad sunken bust.. yes, but not a 3rax.
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On February 19 2010 20:13 renyninja wrote:where u guys watching? myst lord is showing me some tvp
Here - http://ogn.ferron.pe/
And it's not "some tvp".
Its one of the best Reach games (vs Sea), highly recommended.
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On February 19 2010 20:15 Masheyoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:13 renyninja wrote:where u guys watching? myst lord is showing me some tvp http://ogn.ferron.pe/It's really laggy, but it's better than nothing.
today its not laggy at all! :D
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Wow, my internet goes bonkers and I come back to see that Killer came back and took the series?
What a shameless OSL intro with only Flash.
Oh well, time for the deciding game - Hwasin, crush this pretender.
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hwasin bottom right, killer top left
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After getting speedling fagged, comes back and slaps back with a 3 rax bust.. nice call hwasin
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hwasin red at 5
killer blue at 11
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On February 19 2010 20:16 dnosrc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:15 Masheyoon wrote:On February 19 2010 20:13 renyninja wrote:where u guys watching? myst lord is showing me some tvp http://ogn.ferron.pe/It's really laggy, but it's better than nothing. today its not laggy at all! :D
Really? I'm lagging like crazy with an 8M connection. :/
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The OSL intro reminds me so much of some Dynasty Warriors game or something. Even the music for it.
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neat - I just realized that the lettering for 'info' and 'vs' are supposed to be throwbacks to rotating letter boards for flight departures and such from back in the day.
Killer 9 pool, gas
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killer starts off with 9 pool
hwasin 1 rax fe
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hwasin does the normal depot rax, the latter at his choke
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The timing on that attack should have tipped killer off that hwasin had more m&m than he was showing. Z generally build 2 sunks when T moves out at an earlier time.
Either that or he thought hwasin was going for a crazy fast vessel build with fake late pressure.
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oh, it wasn't 9 pool gas, but gas trick
killer takes his nat
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hwasin only has 1 rine now 6 lings going to his base
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shiiit 6 lings on the way
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Killer moving in with lings... but Hwasin's learned his lesson and blocks with scvs
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hwasin pulls 3 scv's to shield his 2 rines at his choke - just in time as 6 lings arrive
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looks like hwasin learned his lesson
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NOW killer takes his gas for real - hwasin has a cc building in main
brings 2 scv's back to mine as 2 more marines are done
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Killer throws down the third hatch in base
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On February 19 2010 20:21 Zona wrote:
hwasin pulls 3 scv's to shield his 2 rines at his choke - just in time as 6 lings arrive
PHEW
fuck its super tense and my stream is lagging >.<
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killer adds a 3rd hatch between his main/nat, still chasing the scouting scv around
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speed lings research just started,killer starts to mass lings
bunker up for hwasin
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Hwasin taking his nat and getting a bunker... lings move down to pressure but Hwasin should be able to handle it
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hwasin adding academy/ebay
bunker at nat as he floats his cc there
still on one rax
quite a few lings stream towards hwasin's nat - but bunker is done
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Nice to see that Hwasin learned his lesson.
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ebay researching right away - probably +1 weapons
academy is not, however
2nd rax being added
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lurk again, wow his muta control must be really bad
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speed is ready,no 2nd gas ,and hydra den up for killer
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den for killer - and lair already done
on one gas?
2 more rax being added for hwasin, to 4
2 scanners almost done
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killer taking third bottom left
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Killer with a hidden expo at 7
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hwasin pushes out now
killer is building sunk now
lurker egg spottted by hwasin
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LURKERS ARE SPOTTED
EGGS UNDER FIREE
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Ah very nice... Hwasin catches the lurker eggs before they hatch
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lol killer, getting his lurks popped .
both go down.
RAPE THIS NEWB HWASIN
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Takes down lurkers right as they hatch/ in eggs
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Terran such a hack race...
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hwasin moving out with mnm + firebat
taking shots at the morphing lurkers he found
one egg red
other lurker killed as it hatches
hwasin checks out 9 - no hatch there
but killer has taken 7
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hm
seems like hwasin didnt spot the third until now
€: ok got it, third goign to die
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Hwasin smartly sends 3 marines into the third and with the remainder of his forces holds the rear against a flank
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hwasin going 7 expo pick off lurker in process
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3 rines killing hatch
main force intercepts 4 lukrs
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hwasin is tearing him apart. almost feel bad for killer. its the puppy dog eyes all over again
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hwasin discovers killer's 7 with 3 rines, taking shots at it - killer trying to take 1? but an scv there
damn, 3 rines are going to kill the hatch at 7
3 lurkers burrowed on the path towards 1 though
hive in progress
vessel tech in progress, first tank is out
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7 expo is dead
hwasin spotted expo at 1
killer going hive
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killer expoing top right now
3 lurk on ramp for defense
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lol Hwasin is onna try to bunker the top right hatch... but the marines get slaughtered by a couple lurkers on the way
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that scv is bunkering at 1
but about 4/5 rines that were headed towards 1 die to the lurkers on the ridge
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Hwasin with a commanding supply lead
Killer is kind of fucked
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Hwasin moves to the third with a group of mnm and tanks...
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Lol, killer getting totally outclassed in a straight up game
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hwasin pushing out with mnm tanks,vessel building in progess
hwasin destroyed expo @ 1
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wow what a rape
3 tanks taking out the 3 lurk/few lings in the ramp, killers third falling again
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hwasin moving towards 1 with a good amount of mnm and 3 tanks - scans and shooting at the lurkers
darn highground making them miss
killer totally fails when sending lings to try to snipe the tank - loses all the lings and all the tanks live
nydus building - almost done - it complests and lurkerling streams out
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All the lurkers fall!!! Hwasin will take out the third!!
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France2061 Posts
LOL lurker death bug kills a bunch of rines
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nydus finishes, letting killer suicide all his units into Hwasin's ball. defiler comes out last lol
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Wonder if he really DID let that nydus live on purpose lol
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Killer putting up a pathetic fight.
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NYDUS COMPLETESS
KILLER SENDS HIS FORCE
HWASINS RINES ARE WAITING THOUGH!
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Clutch nydus, but it doesn't save the expo and Killer is at a huge disadvantage. The game is almost over.
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lol hwasin had his rines bunched up and lost a ton of them to lurks and is still 100 food to 40 food after that
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right after all that lurkerling streams out - it's all killed by hwasin's forces, and the nydus is killed
the hatch falls
killer taking 9
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LOL hwasin waits to kill the nydus so he can kill more of killer's units
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Killer's third falls and he reverts to taking the mid left
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killer left with 2 base and 1 more building at 9 lol
115 supply for hwasin vs killer at 40 LOLOL
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Hmmm how many marines did Killer kill this game ? a dozen ? :s max ? :D
lol.
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Oh god... this is ridiculous 115 to 40 supply
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Killer's third gets taken out... again
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Hwasin fucks up my LB once again, this guys never wins/loses when i want him to.
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expo at 9 is down,killer waiting to gg
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Bad day to be a hatchery. the 9 falls as soon as it gets up
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Hwasin's look of "sigh.. another scrub zerg to kill" ><
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3rd base being sniped one again,dark swarm arrives but its far too late at this point
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hwasin taking 3
hwasin going to kill 9 before a single drone pops out
killer's lings discover hwasin's 3 - but I doubt it'll matter
killer throws down his first swarm outside 9, with lurkers and nonattention from hwasin, kills some mnm before hwasin pulls back
hwasin already has mines
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killer really needs to work his ZvT
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hm i just realized eye of the storm look s a lot like fighting spirit t.t
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hwasin expands at 3
vulture mines everywhere
120 vs 50 supply lol
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But it's ok, cause the commentators are right! KILLER HAS THREE EXTRACTORS!!!
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hwasin knocking at killer's front door
kills the sunekns easily
killer has no defense
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Oh god... Hwasin moves in for the kill... lurkers morphing
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lol hwasin 1a2a3e into killers nat rofl
what a rape
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nice choke block lol
killer GG
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Killer twitches a bit, then sighs and ggs
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nat being busted, killer refusing to gg
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sexy d-matrix'd rine takes the lurker spines
killer gg's
what a rape
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pimp d-matrix on that marine !
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France2061 Posts
GG
Dominating game from Hwasin.
STXXX
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THE RED SNIIIIPPERRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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gg
awesome D-matrix at the end, is just to add to the owning
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Dumb play from killer. He should have tried a 4/5 pool the second game. He had the right plan using cheese the first game and it worked, so why not try it again.
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the most deserving player advanced - nice to see hwasin in the leagues again, and only the 2nd terran to qualify for the proper OSL, the first non-seed terran
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On February 19 2010 20:33 zerotol wrote:
Dumb play from killer. He should have tried a 4/5 pool the second game. He had the right plan using cheese the first game and it worked, so why not try it again.
lol he would have lost even if he 4 pooled
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oh no killer. Although I do like Hwasin, I must cheer for OZ!!
Hope Hwasin does well from now on though.
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killer was just 2ez4hwasin
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On February 19 2010 20:34 LosingID8 wrote:
killer was just 2ez4hwasin
I must advocate for this opinion.
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well he was a bit lucky catching the 2 lurk on their way defending the third
on the other hand, why did killer morph them there and not on the ramp
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CA10826 Posts
also nice to see top3 STX all qualified for Ro16 OSL. one of each race: hwasin, kal, calm.
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After the first game I was sort of afraid that Hwasin was gonna get knocked out, but he certainly proved that as long as he doesn't die to cheese, he's 10 classes above Killer.
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hwasin not qualifying for osl would obviously indicate the beginning of a new age of starcraft.
luckily were still in the taekbangleesang-era
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Well that was a domination. I never should have doubted Hwasin's ability to consistently qualify for the main tournaments.
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On February 19 2010 20:36 Holgerius wrote:
After the first game I was sort of afraid that Hwasin was gonna get knocked out, but he certainly proved that as long as he doesn't die to cheese, he's 10 classes above Killer.
Hwasin is as mediocre as Killer is except in TvZ. He will just loose against anyone next round anyway.
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On February 19 2010 20:33 zerotol wrote:
Dumb play from killer. He should have tried a 4/5 pool the second game. He had the right plan using cheese the first game and it worked, so why not try it again.
It wasn't cheese. He had he legitimate backup plan.
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For probably the first time I managed to get a Hwasin liquibet right.
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CA10826 Posts
On February 19 2010 20:37 zerotol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:36 Holgerius wrote:
After the first game I was sort of afraid that Hwasin was gonna get knocked out, but he certainly proved that as long as he doesn't die to cheese, he's 10 classes above Killer.
Hwasin is as mediocre as Killer is except in TvZ. He will just loose against anyone next round anyway.
completely false
hwasin's TvP is bad because of TvBisu. bisu is hwasin's kryptonite. take away his W-L record vs bisu and he's at 52.7% TvP and career overall winrate of 57.3%. that is not bad considering he has played over 350 games. seriously, he's just super unlucky to somehow manage to play against bisu 15 times.
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On February 19 2010 20:44 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:37 zerotol wrote:On February 19 2010 20:36 Holgerius wrote:
After the first game I was sort of afraid that Hwasin was gonna get knocked out, but he certainly proved that as long as he doesn't die to cheese, he's 10 classes above Killer.
Hwasin is as mediocre as Killer is except in TvZ. He will just loose against anyone next round anyway. completely false hwasin's TvP is bad because of TvBisu. bisu is hwasin's kryptonite. take away his W-L record vs bisu and he's at 52.7% TvP and career overall winrate of 57.3%. that is not bad considering he has played over 350 games. seriously, he's just super unlucky to somehow manage to play against bisu 15 times.
Don't forget TvJangbi, TvKal and TvBest. It's really amazing how many games he's been put up vs top tosses.
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On February 19 2010 20:44 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:37 zerotol wrote:On February 19 2010 20:36 Holgerius wrote:
After the first game I was sort of afraid that Hwasin was gonna get knocked out, but he certainly proved that as long as he doesn't die to cheese, he's 10 classes above Killer.
Hwasin is as mediocre as Killer is except in TvZ. He will just loose against anyone next round anyway. completely false hwasin's TvP is bad because of TvBisu. bisu is hwasin's kryptonite. take away his W-L record vs bisu and he's at 52.7% TvP and career overall winrate of 57.3%. that is not bad considering he has played over 350 games. seriously, he's just super unlucky to somehow manage to play against bisu 15 times.
If you take 15 games vs top players out of any body's record it's going to look much better.
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awesome i got both right.
well, it was pretty easy considering killer's ZvP and hwasin's inability to fall beforoe ro16
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On February 19 2010 20:53 Orbifold wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:44 LosingID8 wrote:On February 19 2010 20:37 zerotol wrote:On February 19 2010 20:36 Holgerius wrote:
After the first game I was sort of afraid that Hwasin was gonna get knocked out, but he certainly proved that as long as he doesn't die to cheese, he's 10 classes above Killer.
Hwasin is as mediocre as Killer is except in TvZ. He will just loose against anyone next round anyway. completely false hwasin's TvP is bad because of TvBisu. bisu is hwasin's kryptonite. take away his W-L record vs bisu and he's at 52.7% TvP and career overall winrate of 57.3%. that is not bad considering he has played over 350 games. seriously, he's just super unlucky to somehow manage to play against bisu 15 times. If you take 15 games vs top players out of any body's record it's going to look much better.
But in Hwasin's case it's not top players, it's one single player. He has played Bisu 15 times, thats just plain bad luck or a testament of how far Hwasin usually goes in ILs.
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On February 19 2010 20:56 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:53 Orbifold wrote:On February 19 2010 20:44 LosingID8 wrote:On February 19 2010 20:37 zerotol wrote:On February 19 2010 20:36 Holgerius wrote:
After the first game I was sort of afraid that Hwasin was gonna get knocked out, but he certainly proved that as long as he doesn't die to cheese, he's 10 classes above Killer.
Hwasin is as mediocre as Killer is except in TvZ. He will just loose against anyone next round anyway. completely false hwasin's TvP is bad because of TvBisu. bisu is hwasin's kryptonite. take away his W-L record vs bisu and he's at 52.7% TvP and career overall winrate of 57.3%. that is not bad considering he has played over 350 games. seriously, he's just super unlucky to somehow manage to play against bisu 15 times. If you take 15 games vs top players out of any body's record it's going to look much better. But in Hwasin's case it's not top players, it's one single player. He has played Bisu 15 times, thats just plain bad luck or a testament of how far Hwasin usually goes in ILs.
to be exact, 13 times against Bisu in individual leagues ALONE
that sucks man
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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9070 Posts
Every group stage of OSL with Hwasin in it should be called Ro15
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Guemchi 56% PvT 46% PvZ wtf
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On February 19 2010 21:29 disciple wrote:
Every group stage of OSL with Hwasin in it should be called Ro15
ouch, thats harsh
I know what you mean though :p
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Norway1530 Posts
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F*ck Yeah Hwasin!! I stopped watching after his horrible 1st game vs Killer
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Currently Ro16 OSL
◆Race
Terran(2) Flash, Hwasin
Zerg(3) - Shine, Calm, Kwanro
Protoss(3) - Movie, Kal, Stork
◆Team
STX(3) - Calm, Kal, Hwasin
KT(1) - Flash
CJ(1) - Movie
Wemade(1) - Shine
Samsung(1) - Stork
Woongjin(1) - gangyu
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On February 17 2010 14:24 rotinegg wrote:
ppl betting that geumchi will get passed hwasin
seriously? SERIOUSLY?
an OSL/MSL is not an SL without hwasin in the RO16. If I bet on every SL that Hwasin would make it to the RO16, I could go into fucking retirement in a few years and live off that money for the rest of my life, with some to spare for my children's college education.
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any ggs? the recommended games box is empty...
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On February 20 2010 01:14 Upchurch wrote:
any ggs? the recommended games box is empty...
I saw Guemchi vs Killer only and I would recommend none. Game 3 was meh, but the rest were pretty bad
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On February 20 2010 01:14 Upchurch wrote:
any ggs? the recommended games box is empty...
Watch game 4 if you like to see how to end ZvTs with just lings, but besides that, all games weren't any good. Watch game 1 for some "omg fucking fail" as killer loses all his hydras to pratically 2 cannons and probes and guechmi loses a full health sair to 1 hydra with nothing else going on in the game.
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I'm number 10 in Liquibet! This time I will stay there. Go Mondi Go JF(I didn't know I was so good when I voted for him ;-) but I still hope he wins). In ther ro8 I got everything right and if this goes as planned I will most likely be #1^^.
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On February 20 2010 00:36 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 14:24 rotinegg wrote:
ppl betting that geumchi will get passed hwasin
seriously? SERIOUSLY?
an OSL/MSL is not an SL without hwasin in the RO16. If I bet on every SL that Hwasin would make it to the RO16, I could go into fucking retirement in a few years and live off that money for the rest of my life, with some to spare for my children's college education.
Yeah I wish we could bet on Hwasin. :p
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this is hwasin's starleague, i can feeeeeel it this time
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On February 20 2010 04:12 prototype. wrote:
this is hwasin's starleague, i can feeeeeel it this time
Nah, sorry but Flash or Jaedong will knock him out again.
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On February 20 2010 04:17 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2010 04:12 prototype. wrote:
this is hwasin's starleague, i can feeeeeel it this time Nah, sorry but Flash or Jaedong will knock him out again.
Nah, Bisu will use him as insurance.
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What was I thinking, voting against Hwasin making it into the OSL Ro16
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Yes hwasin! Good to read this. ^_^
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